Elizabeth Warren’s war on men is an insulting, losing strategy

Apupil · 2019-09-20T01:27:04+00:00

Have they not learned anything from Hilary?

If you want power, alienating 50% of your voter base isn't a good thing, especially in a democracy.

IThrewAwayMyPassword · 2019-09-20T09:36:25+00:00

The problem for Warren is that, as Hillary Clinton discovered, most women don’t want any part of an identity politics that pitches them against men.

They don’t want men to be losers because they don’t want to marry losers, and they sure don’t want their sons to be losers.

Most women love men. They love their husbands, their sons, their fathers. They’ve had male mentors and male coaches and male teachers who’ve been good people.

This is something we need to not forget around here. This isn't a place for hating women. This is a place to call out those who strive for us to be second class citizens. The article points out she only said one line that was anti-men, but that's one line too many. If she increases the anti-men rhetoric she will see that she will only attract the radicals and the rest of the country will move on and vote Bernie.

Ody_ssey · 2019-09-20T03:16:30+00:00

We are "here" because of strong women

Did she realise they are at a public place in a public conference? I wonder how many strong women helped organising this event for her speech.

2019-09-20T07:42:28+00:00

we're not her because of men

-standing in front of Washington Square Arch designed by Stanford White who I'm pretty sure was a man. She could always stand in front of an arch designed by a woman. Oh, wait...

a-man-from-earth · 2019-09-20T01:30:11+00:00

Surprised the paper called her out.

Pathfinder24 · 2019-09-20T13:44:36+00:00

If you go outside on any city street corner and look all around you, it entirely possible that every single thing you see was made by a man. Men lay the roads; men pour the sidewalks; men erect the traffic lights; men construct the buildings; men fix the potholes.

Svenskbtch · 2019-09-20T11:11:01+00:00

I am not an American. But I lived there and follow politics more closely than I do in my country of origin. It is not only important, but utterly fascinating.

I am also a conservative. A European conservative, with more focus on economic and social liberalism (in the true sense of the word), small but efficient government, and creating economic opportunities for all. I find free markets work best, with exceptions for defense, health care, and some basic mechanisms to make sure people can take advantage of those opportunities and do not have to live in extreme poverty.

But I cannot get behind Trump. From a general perspective, I find his antics severely damaging - especially to issues that should be at the heart of conservatism: defense, respecting institutions, and free trade. He makes it impossible to allow the political system to come up with reasonable responses to, say, climate change - and trust me, there are many that lie between the Green New Deal, a proposal that even the European left would find illusory in many respects, and outright denial. In fact, I find it hard to argue that Trump is a conservative at all. From the more narrow men's rights perspective, I find precious little to support - and much to oppose.

So I am hoping the Democrats will win, as there is little chance moderate Republicans will challenge him for the nomination. And it should be easy: you simply need someone who will respect the office and work across the partisan divide. But, apart from a few minor candidates like Klobuchar and Buttigeig, none of the leading candidates are doing so - instead, we see Warren doing this while Harris keeps accusing Biden of racism. Racism! Think about it: who will respond positively to such a radical stance against men on gender issues? Most men will not, and it will drive some Democratic men to consider Trump. And I submit most women will not, because although they might buy some feminist myths about DV and the wage gap, they also love the men around them and want to work with them and want the issues main face that have gained prominence, such as boys in education, to be taken seriously as well.

In fact, I think Democrats could do well talking about what they would do in some traditional conservative political areas to win over conservatives that cannot support Trump. Starting, I dont know, with taking national security and diplomacy seriously and treat North Korea and Iran equally. Or get back to supporting the relatively free trade system in which America, as the most competitive country in the world by some measures, has thrived.

What bothers me the most: Trump says make America great again. First of all, America is already great - it has many flaws, and it is facile to claim, as many do, that it is the greatest in the world, but overall, it is a great place to live, thrive, and work. Second of all, we here in Europe ADMIRE the ability of America to integrate immigrants into their economy. America would not be what it is without its amazing ability to attract entrepreneurs and leading scientists. Look at panel data, and you will find that even immigrants who start at the very bottom mostly reach the middle class within a decade. Meanwhile, in France, many of them still linger in ghettos and face what even I would call egregious discrimination in the job market. THAT is what is making America great. It is the last thing a President with that ambition should try to undermine.

Democrats and moderate conservatives, please, for the love of God, get your act together...

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2019-09-20T17:19:14+00:00

I have a feeling that the first woman to be elected president will be the first one who makes the choice to not use any anti-male rhetoric during her campaign.

furchfur · 2019-09-20T22:45:20+00:00

This is so dumb of her.

Men are happy to vote for female leaders as has been demonstrated the world over. This is the same in the USA as well. All of the female leaders that have been elected have won by not attacking men but by being gender neutral.

Gender has not come into their campaigns at all.

I cannot see why a male would vote for her at all.

Karloman314 · 2019-09-20T04:00:15+00:00

Another reason to refuse to die for the country untill there are serious State level reforms.

J2501 · 2019-09-20T09:56:43+00:00

I've never seen her portrayed this way, and mainly attribute this portrayal to the obvious bias of the Post.

She'd be wise not to play up that angle, or she comes off as Hillary II. I'd still much rather vote for her than Biden or Trump. On the other hand, Bernie has far fewer credibility issues, IMO.

WOLFnexus · 2019-09-20T12:42:25+00:00

She had been aligning herself with Clinton more and more recently so this isn't a surprise.

FH-7497 · 2019-09-20T17:19:48+00:00

NY POST not really the most reliable news outlet... they take one quote from her and write a 600 word op ed here... not to say they have no valid points, but clearly this is an attempt to blow something out of proportion for political agenda

Xralius · 2019-09-24T17:34:35+00:00

I said this was a mistake when Hillary did it before she lost the election.

Look at Obama. First black president. However, he never really ran on being black, where Hillary kept reminding everyone about her gender and implying all women needed to vote for her.

Hillary wanted to be Obama, instead of just herself. Which is a shame, because she is actually extremely intelligent and experienced, and was generally moderate, but instead tried to base her campaign off her charisma (she has none) and leaning into her base.

ifelsedowhile · 2019-09-20T18:38:45+00:00

she sounds senile to me. same thing for Biden and Sanders.

CorneredSponge · 2019-09-20T01:07:07+00:00

I like Warren's platform, I also dont think shes as extreme as Hillary. But still, I dislike that she took this approach.

On an unrelated note: go Bernie !

QuasiQwazi · 2019-09-20T01:04:51+00:00

I have never heard her say anything that indicates she has a war on men. It looks like the gop is starting to use the same tactics they did against Hillary. Warren has a platform that I fully support.

Title	Elizabeth Warren’s war on men is an insulting, losing strategy
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Date	September 20, 2019 1:02 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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