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Fortunately, there's an easy way to tell - after the fact, did she call the police, get you fired, and ruin your life? Then it wasn't "flirting". Now you know.

bastardstepchild

July 14, 2018
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Title Fortunately, there's an easy way to tell - after the fact, did she call the police, get you fired, and ruin your life? Then it wasn't "flirting". Now you know.
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bastardstepchild

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Date July 14, 2018 10:16 PM UTC
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Because, as we all know, women never lie. Especially not to get ahead at work.

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... because no women have ever learned to respect men.

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When I want really deep intelligence, I always look to 19-year-old actresses who’ve never experienced a minute in the real world

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Im suspicious of any woman who’s suspicious of men she can’t make false accusations against with impunity.

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Mostly because no woman has ever respected men

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Because if they change their minds later, you’re still supposed to retroactively have guessed.

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But a few do say it made them stop hating men/renounce feminism. Not many, but a few. Most continue to hate men including their sons.

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Of course feminists are cheering for this, as long as you don’t reverse the genders. What yours is hers and what’s hers is hers.

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Comments

[+]Negative11 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

On one hand, some women, like Sarah Hanson-Young, say or imply that all men are rapists (actual quote: "men cannot control themselves ... men behave like morons and like pigs"). So we're supposed to imbibe that mindset, but then not be afraid of false accusations?

[–]fengpi 64 points65 points66 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, of course not. Ain't no such thing as a false accusation because women lack the gene for accusing people of shit they didn't do.

They also lack the gene for comprehending stuff like cross-examination, due process, presumption of innocence or the importance of evidence to substantiate whether a crime has indeed taken place, or so I've gathered from reading their discourse for the last 15-odd years. And only a rapist like me would be so tastelessly jejune as to comment upon such things, or so I'm told.

[–]newaccount47 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men do behave differently than women, that's for sure. Source: am straight attractive guy who just got back from a gay bar.

[–]DolphinsAreOk 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Source on that quote? Cant find it on google?

[–]skepticalbob -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Are you really afraid of false accusations? What do you do on a regular basis to prevent getting wrongly accused of rape?

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

I don’t ride in elevators with women at my workplace. There are no cameras in the elevators and I don’t know what crazy shit they’ll claim about what I did. Maybe you think that’s paranoid or undue or undeserved but I don’t give a fig whether or not you approve of the small measures I take to prevent problems. Last I checked, it was legal to not take the elevator if I deem the stairs to be a preferable option.

[–]skepticalbob 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Would it be reasonable if women didn’t ride elevators because they feared you would rape them?

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm doing them a favor, in that case.

[–]skepticalbob 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But would it be reasonable?

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We live in fairly unreasonable times, do we not? When we listen to the media telling women that all men are basically suspect and they should carry mace around with them and watch-out that pills aren't being slipped into their drinks, wouldn't it be unreasonable for me to not attempt to stay the fuck away from them? I think I'd be pretty unreasonable to pretend I'm invulnerable.

[–]skepticalbob 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the media is a collection of clickbait lies and I don’t use them to decide how safe I am. Otherwise I’d stay home to avoid the certain terrorist attack pandemic climate catastrophe rape false rape accusation etc etc etc. I find people easy to get along with. I find women easy to get along with. I don’t fear a rape accusation from riding an elevator with someone. I find that completely bizarre.

[–]fengpi 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there were cameras in the elevators at my workplace, I would have no problem whatsoever.

My mom was a schoolteacher for about 35 years and today, in her retirement, she is a mentor for younger teachers. She advises all of the young teachers (especially if they are male) to never be alone in a room with a student if the door is closed. Always leave the door wide open, she says. Why is this? Because the teacher would not be able to disprove an accusation of threatening or salacious behavior if it was done in private. If the door is open with people free to enter and leave with the interaction having the possibility of being more in public, it would at least make such accusations less credible. Because she has seen this kind of thing happen before.

Would you regard that as being unreasonable, bizarre and paranoid advice, or just being smart? It sounds smart to me.

[+]Negative11 points 8 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not, personally. I am married, and I don't even make advances to other women. But I'm damned glad there was no internet when I grew up. My comment was not intended to reflect my own literal perspective.

[–]skepticalbob 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But you don’t have to even make advances, you only have to flirt, according to the OP. If you read most of these comments on this sub about this stuff, you cannot leave your house without fear of a false rape accusation. You cannot work with women, let alone have female friends. You can’t even look at women wrong or they will go accuse you to the police of rape and your life will be ruined.

These are all statements I’ve actually read in her btw. I’m not making it up. It’s fucking insane. Hell just scroll down and read the hyperbole in this thread.

[–][deleted] 163 points164 points165 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

This person is either not paying attention to all aspects of this issue, or they are being purposefully misleading. Use Garrison Kealor(sp?) for example. He put his hand on a women's back during a mutual hug and lost his show. That is what today's men are facing.

[–]fengpi 89 points90 points91 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

He put his hand on a women's back during a mutual hug and lost his show.

It was a particularly egregious thing which was inflicted upon him. Keillor was, if anything, an intensely shy man and a wholesome class act rather than some kind of boor of a serial groper. Meanwhile, little starlets can go around parties and hug anyone they damn well want. If you're going to get accused of doing evil stuff no matter what you say or do, then you might as well become a coke-fueled molester of any woman within reach so that you can honestly earn the accusation.

[–]Collective82 37 points38 points39 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Didn’t Taylor swift kiss some random guy on a tv show that was saving his first kiss for some one special?

[–]CALLOFGROOTY 54 points55 points56 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You’re thinking of Katy Perry. He said in an interview later that he didn’t wanna do it but he thought it would better his chances in the competition, so he did.

[–]EricAllonde 74 points75 points76 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not quite. He reluctantly agreed to give her a kiss on the cheek, then at the last minute she turned her head and kissed him on the lips. That is sexual assault. Yes, it's a minor offence but as Keillor shows men have lost their careers for less than that, thanks to #Metoo.

[+]Lumberjackie_Chan1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The wikipedia article for Katy Perry was given a protected status generally only applied to articles subject to state-sponsored information warfare (i.e., a lot is Israel/Palestine stuff) due to people wanting to include info about the sexual assault.

[–]bteh 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shocking

[–]Collective82 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad, though I hoped it paid off for him

[–]mwobuddy 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

ive been fucking telling people this for months on this sub and noones listening. It has never been about what you do, its about whether or not they feel bad after. Thats why the 'chads' can do the small of the back touch and get laid, while other guys do that and get fired for sexual assault

[–]goodmod 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But that's simply stating the obvious.

[–]bastardstepchild 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except it’s worth noting that what he’s stating is obvious - and never mentioned outside of places like this that are marginalized as “alt-right hotbeds of bigotry and misogyny”.

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesnt seem so obvious because people are still surprised af in 2018.

[–]DarkGamer 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Garrison Kealor(sp?) for example. He put his hand on a women's back during a mutual hug and lost his show. That is what today's men are facing.

That's not entirely accurate, apparently there was more to it than that.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

''He grinned in a leering fashion, making intense eye contact for more than 3 seconds''.

[–]fengpi 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

.......

“Keillor wrote and publicly posted in his bookstore an off-color limerick about a young woman who worked there and the effect she had on his state of arousal”

Ooh, the monster! The jerk! Surely, he didn't write jokes and poems and literature for a living, did he?

How many people were maimed by that limerick, I wonder?

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I met Mr Cage. I got to see him laugh in my face.

[–]Odonata_Anisoptera 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not being any of those. You give her too much credit in this case. It just looks like the snippy activism that sells.

When I see stuff like this, I like to ask myself how people would likely respond. If it merits an intellectual retort, it's because it was thought out and is genuine.

But if the most likely response is gonna be "YAASSSS KWEEN, YASSS" or "👏LOUDER FOR THE WYBEBO IN THE BACK👏" you can safely assume it's knee-jerk bullshit.

[–]_Captain_Autismo_ 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The accounts run by a leftist "comedian" so that tells you all you need to know

[–]rooolng 47 points48 points49 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Every man needs to remember the Mr Bean handshake - https://giphy.com/gifs/handshake-mr-bean-NBR6MEf2K2vG8

[–]NoxHexaDraconis 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Genius

[–]Collective82 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Lol was that a skit or some real deal?

[–]WolfeBane84 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're asking if Mr. Bean is a real person or a character?

[–]d4m4s74 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's asking if the actor playing Mister Been did it to be funny or Rowan Atkinson did it because he really didn't want to kiss her.

[–]Collective82 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was asking if that was part of a skit, or if he was acting like the character during a interview type show.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no such thing as unreality in humour, at a deep level. If a fictional thing in humour did not relate to some real thing then it would not be funny.

[–]heliosxx 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was part of a skit, in character that's how he acts.

[–]fengpi 46 points47 points48 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

That's cuz if a woman says it's rape, it's rape, no need to ask questions like "do you even know the difference between flirting and rape, you tripped-out LSD-dropping vomit-covered imbecile?"

[–]ckiemnstr345 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I guess a good percentage of those dead black men hanging from trees up to the '50s were actually justified in being there. /s

This is the way to get the SJWs out of this current witch hunt. They get really butthurt when you tell them you'll bring the hood and rope if they just find the tree when they are going off on one of their diatribes about some accusation.

[–]Vwar 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-war-on-rape-the-logic-of-the-lynch-mob-returns/16349

[–]fengpi 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, in response to "women never lie about rape" I simply offer this sordid item. And they don't like it because I'm a misogynist for citing their most favorite miscarriage of justice. Lynchings are for SJW's rhetorical point-scoring, you know.

[–]Dr_Maniacz -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What? I'm not following.

[–]risunokairu 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s rape.

[–]Dr_Maniacz 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Which side are you on? Sorry the comment just confused me.

[–]Laxexis 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a comment that pokes the shit on reality. In face value, an event could be mere talking then hugging it out. To someone else, it could be flirting. However, some reach to the point that declares that such event is sexual harassment/rape.

[–]Dr_Maniacz 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh. Thanks for the clarification.

[–]PrefixKitten 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well then what was it then? Serious question. -.- https://i.redd.it/i49qwr4a6n911.png

[–]tytycar 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus fuck what a Trainwreck of a person that girl is

[–]KBD20 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a pretty large red flag (or two).

[–]wirelessBaguette 28 points29 points30 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If your act of walking down the street causes you to be afraid a man will rape and murder you, that's not walking. And it never was.

[–]w1g2 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No need to even make an analogy. How many women would accept being called a rapist simply for flirting with a man? How many would accept that a man could feel "emotionally raped" because she asked him if he wanted to go out, have sex, etc? Women seem to have no concept that this could go the other way around.

[–]chambertlo 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has ruined dating, along with everything else it touches. He was right to say what he said, and anyone taking umbrage is the reason why he said it.

[–]Blutarg 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So we've gone from "very few rape accusations are false" to "literally no rape accusations are false. None. Not one, ever, anywhere, in all of history, past or future." Kind of a big change.

[+]highrefresh1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

"Hello, I'm Tim"

"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE"

[–]jfartster 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So wait, forcing sex on someone - is that flirting or rape?? She's right, it's easy to confuse the two. If I wink at a girl, that's rape I'm pretty sure. But tying her down and forcing her to have sex against her will.... I think that's only flirting? Or....no I give up, it's too confusing for me.

Just gonna play it safe and avoid eye contact.

[–]fengpi 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

But tying her down and forcing her to have sex against her will.... I think that's only flirting?

Of course not, you fool. Before you can even hope to tie her down, you need to slip her a bunch of Undetectable-Sleepy-Rapey-Diabolical Pills™. You can find them at every corner store and lying on the floor of any frat house. Best of all, such pills perfectly simulate having a 12th shot of Drambuie so she'll believe that she actually had a 12th shot when she only had 11 shots!

[–]1LegendaryWombat 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly doesn't get it.

Flrting and rape are very clearly different acts. Anyone who knows me, knows that the act of rape is such a fundamental opposite to my morality that the thought of me even doing it fills me with disgust.

But not everyone does know that, its still entirely possible for me to be called a rapist, because i just am who i am.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The day I take flirting advice from a feminist is the day I cut my own tongue out.

Also what counts as flirting is completely subjective.

[–]2JMAN89 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So whats it called when it's the women who rapes, because all I have heard (also firsthand experienced) is that no one give a shit. So i guess it's called equality

[–]perplexedm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminutism is a scourge on humanity.

You will always find Indian feminuts of the worst kind.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If your a feminist bitch on Twitter your surrounded by clapping seals and live in an echo chamber

[–]50PercentLies 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Aparnapkin is not a very creative twitter handle. Like, I get it, your name ends in 'na' and napkin starts with 'na,' but this isn't like souplantation. Your name isn't related to napkins. Stop it.

[–]herkandjerk 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The nihilist in me wants to see them get their way.

[+]say10_upside_down1 points 8 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Looks like she doesnt get flirted with (or sexually abused as she says) too often, like 99.9% of people who say these sorts of crazy things

[–]proXy_HazaRD 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's not insult her appearance and focus on her words and counter arguments to them. That's what separates us from others.

[–]chambertlo -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She is hideous. Of course she doesn’t get any play. The women who complain the most are usually the ugliest. Lmao.

[–]wolfman86 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She’s pulling a stupid face, you fucking moron.

[–]chambertlo 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Doesn't change anything, you home schooled reject.

[–]wolfman86 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Got both of them wrong.

[–]antilopes -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If "rape" is swapped for "sexual harassment" then it makes more sense and is worth thinking about. I've said something similar to a few guys who were not thinking hard enough about the effects of their "flirting".

If this thing including the crazy shift of the saying from harrassment to rape was upvoted much then it says something about the level of critical thinking and fairness among Twitter feminists.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Not really. There's clear bias against men deemed "creepy", even if their actions are 100% the same as someone attractive and/or rich. It's not about "the flirting" all the time, but the person actually doing the flirting.

And women can still lie about sexual harassment anyway.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Men who are unattractive to a particular woman yet try to pretend they are doing "100% the same actions" as someone she is attracted to are creepy as hell. Ignoring or being insensitive to the signs of interest or rejection which are present from the first half second of an interaction is creepy, effectively it is saying they don't take no for an answer.

Being insensitive to signs of attraction will go better but ultimately that is creepy too, it shows that you can't communicate and that is scary.

I have an autistic friend, he has very little ability to read body language and it makes dating hell for him, he often comes across as creepy. It is sad because he's not an asshole, he's a really nice guy and would treat a woman as well as he can. He's been single most of his life.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men who are unattractive to a particular woman yet try to pretend they are doing "100% the same actions" as someone she is attracted to are creepy as hell.

This is an observable phenomenon. It's not even exclusive to women, attractive people get treated better and get away with more things than ugly people do. Just so happens we're talking about women and "sexual harassment" accusations toward men.

Ignoring or being insensitive to the signs of interest or rejection which are present from the first half second of an interaction is creepy, effectively it is saying they don't take no for an answer.

Given that you pretty much ignored my example, I'll ignore yours. Well, you did worse by characterizing it as "pretending". And I could do the same, but will refrain.

Being insensitive to signs of attraction will go better but ultimately that is creepy too, it shows that you can't communicate and that is scary.

What the fuck are you talking about? You can't communicate, and that's scary. Help cyber police! /s

I have an autistic friend, he has very little ability to read body language and it makes dating hell for him, he often comes across as creepy. It is sad because he's not an asshole, he's a really nice guy and would treat a woman as well as he can. He's been single most of his life.

Something something "pretend" something something "creepy".

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Something something "pretend" something something "creepy".

Being autistic he tries to perform what he thinks is common flirting behavior, so far as he can tell. But his understanding of what he is trying to copy is incomplete so he seems "off". He's pretending to be someone he is not.
He's tall and good looking which as you say gives him some room for error but it still doesn't work.

If you are just wanting to lament that a less attractive person seeking anything is more likely to be turned away and have their motives questioned then sure, it is true and it applies extremely strongly in dating. It is really discouraging to face constant rejection, and adding suspicion to it is horrible.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is not possible to separate the flirting from the person doing it. People who feel entitled to demand that women respond identically to different guys performing "the same" flirting are creepy.

Even the simplest act of flirting is an interaction with typically several very rapid back and forth exchanges, it is not something that different men can hand out objectively identical measured doses of. People react in as little as a fifth of a second based purely on appearance and they keep on reacting at that rate during the whole two-way interaction.

[–]agree-with-you 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, this does not seem possible.

[–]skwishy29 -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What’s wrong with what she said

[–]heliosxx 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

assuming you're being serious; men have in fact seen dire repercussions from flirting. If a woman decides she doesn't like you, any advance can be (and has been) seen as some sort of assault.

[–]skwishy29 -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Example where something bad actually happened to a man for casually flirting?

[–]heliosxx 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

not even flirting: http://www.startribune.com/garrison-keillor-fired-for-improper-behavior/460802703/
also https://forward.com/opinion/387620/confusing-sexual-harassment-with-flirting-hurts-women/

[–]skwishy29 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait so you just believed this guy without any actual evidence? And that’s your reasoning behind you saying “oh no we’re gonna get accused of rape if we breath”

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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