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Lol tbh there isn't much to say man online dating really fucked shit up for everyone.

Like for my own teen years we all just drank and smoked weed a lot and there were fluid large social groups like say 10 guys and a few women that made up the core, all friends, then ransoms would come and go or we would hang out with other groups of people by proxy.

So you'd just run in to chicks that way. Rn blackpill is supreme but honestly back then it was less of a factor than chemistry and convenience was. I was definitely not the best looking guy but not the worst either and I was always pretty fit, had a decent personality to be around and whatever I guess.

So yeah. It was just sort of like a convenience factor. Chicks still didn't want to get outed for sleeping around so guys with loud mouths got passed over a lot whereas introverted dudes actually got decent action lmao but the scenester emo stoner sluts all clamored toward the Chad's of the time because that type of person never changes. The highly conforming types always want Chad no matter what lol.

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Yeah it’s always been the case, but it’s gotten much worse with social media and dating apps.

Socially enforced monogamy (particularly arranged marriages), which allowed “one woman for every one man,” forced many women to go against their biology.

This allowed civilization to come about, but was an egregious assault on woman’s reproductive rights and autonomy. Naturally women eventually rebelled against it.

But as you said, women have become increasingly unrealistic about their options. So rather than just the bottom percentile of men being incels, men who years ago could have gotten a woman (even if only with the Betabuxx strategy), can no longer get a woman.

I’ve heard 25-30 % of men not having sex in the last year….that’s ALOT. Without video games, porn, and Reddit to numb them, they would be increasingly likely to resort to violence.

I don’t know enough about FAW to argue for or against that last point.

[–]ParadoxicalStairs 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

The west not valuing traditional family values and marriage have hurt both sexes too. I find it really strange how a lot of people nowadays glorify single parenthood like it’s an achievement, and also divorcing their partner for the pettiest reasons (like being bored). My parents are very traditional and we come from cultures where you would be shamed or disowned for having a child out of wedlock.

I find the modern dating culture really toxic because while it helped give women more power and options in relationships, it did so at the cost of the average guys and the below average girls. Its unhealthy when the top percent of guys have multiple girls orbiting around him, leaving a few for the regular Joes to fight over. Then, there are FAW who are practically invisible to most guys 😅. I also really dislike promiscuity and hypergamy in both genders. It creates a lot of hate and distrust between men and women.

Wow that’s a lot of guys not having sex. Does that number include guys who don’t have sex by choice?

I don’t have any statistics for FAW but I’ve read a few posts where they’re simply looking for someone who will treat them well. I rarely see any mentions of physical characteristics or income. I even knew a FAW who went out of her way to meet someone from Reddit by flying to his country, only for the guy to belittle her appearance.

[–]kukkle1111 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Then, there are FAW who are practically invisible to most guys

Bullshit. A woman couldn’t be invisible to men if her goddamned life depended on it. All of your FAW buddies have admitted to having to turn off their DMs because too many “creeps” (aka non-Chads) were trying to speak to them.

Here is just one man’s treatment by these “forever alone” women: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/zzzz0i/comment/j2fpoy0/

who don’t have sex by choice?

These don’t exist. If they can, they do.

I don’t have any statistics for FAW but I’ve read a few posts where they’re simply looking for someone who will treat them well. I rarely see any mentions of physical characteristics or income. I even knew a FAW who went out of her way to meet someone from Reddit by flying to his country, only for the guy to belittle her appearance.

This is all complete bullshit. You’re all attracted to the same, small minority of Chads just like every other group of women. They justify their choice to reject non-Chads by saying they’re all creeps, perverts, abusive, or someone who literally just crawled out of a sewer.

Really? They receive hundreds of DMs from men and they were ALL creepy abusive perverts? Every single goddamn one of them?

Bullshit.

[–]ParadoxicalStairs -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, women can be invisible to men. You know that unattractive, overweight girl you went to school with? She likely never went on a date in her life. Girls don’t even have to be overweight to be invisible. They could just be plain ugly and will never get attention from guys her entire life.

No, we’re not all attracted to Chads. Many FAW are aware of their status and know they can never attract that type of guy. I’ve read posts of women saying they tried dating short men, bald men, broke men, abusers, etc and they were still mistreated at the end.

The one FAW friend I was close to sent me a pic of her and her “bf” together and he’s far from a Chad. He’s from a poor country in Central Asia and when she flew over to meet him, he rejected her. And guess what? She kept trying to hold onto him. So please stop saying we’re all into Chads.

[–]kukkle1111 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

She likely never went on a date in her life. Girls don’t even have to be overweight to be invisible. They could just be plain ugly and will never get attention from guys her entire life.

Bullshit. A woman will have options. Always. She just doesn’t like her options.

No, we’re not all attracted to Chads. Many FAW are aware of their status and know they can never attract that type of guy. I’ve read posts of women saying they tried dating short men, bald men, broke men, abusers, etc and they were still mistreated at the end.

Read the post I linked. These are lies they tell to justify not liking their options because they find their options to be unattractive. They ARE attracted to Chads, he’s just not attracted to them.

He’s from a poor country in Central Asia and when she flew over to meet him, he rejected her. And guess what? She kept trying to hold onto him

What are just the sheer odds of this being even remotely true? Why would she go to visit him if there was a chance he would reject her? What’s far more likely is that she was displeased with him than the other way around, didn’t want to seem shallow, so she screamed abuse and rejection.

This is all bullshit.

We know what your problem is: You have options for boyfriends, You’re not attracted to any of them. This conflicts with the “forever alone” label so to avoid seeming like hypocrites, you all claim the only men who give you attention are creeps, perverts, and decrepit old men who just crawled out of a dumpster.

It’s just not the truth. Call yourself “NGO Women” (No Good Options Women) or something because “forever alone” is not and will never be what you are.

[–]ParadoxicalStairs1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Isn’t it the same for guys? Guys have the option to date the fat girl, or the ugly wallflower but choose to pursue the pretty, ig model looking girl. Both genders have options and they like to choose what’s best for them. Being picky isn’t exclusive to women.

How can you say that the content of the post you linked is true while the recent experiences of FAW I listed are false? Both of us are taking the word of other people on the internet, so you aren’t in a position to dictate which party is being truthful or lying.

Again, you sound very cynical just because my FAW friend was rejected by her male friend. I even said that she was clinging onto him in hopes that he will accept her. After I told her to stop seeing him, she cut me off and deleted her account. Now why would a FAW with options (as you say) behave so desperately? I’ll also mention again that the guy is from a 3rd world country in Central Asia who she met on Reddit.

[–]kukkle11111 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Isn’t it the same for guys? Guys have the option to date the fat girl, or the ugly wallflower but choose to pursue the pretty, ig model looking girl. Both genders have options and they like to choose what’s best for them. Being picky isn’t exclusive to women

Nope. Men are happy to settle. Women are not. They’d rather just stay alone if they can’t get exactly what they want.

How can you say that the content of the post you linked is true while the recent experiences of FAW I listed are false? Both of us are taking the word of other people on the internet, so you aren’t in a position to dictate which party is being truthful or lying.

He has no incentive to lie. FAW does. There’s a reason they don’t allow men to post on their sub. How would that make them look if a flood of men suddenly started posting there and saying “I was polite and respectful, I’m FA, too, and these women just ignore me when I try to reach out to them. It’s not true they either get no attention or if they do, it’s only from creeps and perverts.”?

Again, you sound very cynical just because my FAW friend was rejected by her male friend. I even said that she was clinging onto him in hopes that he will accept her. After I told her to stop seeing him, she cut me off and deleted her account. Now why would a FAW with options (as you say) behave so desperately? I’ll also mention again that the guy is from a 3rd world country in Central Asia who she met on Reddit.

I’ve already explained this. Don’t you think they had already exchanged photos or webcam chatted before meeting? Maybe the guy lied about his height or employment status or maybe he sent misleading photos, it’s FAR more likely she was the one displeased with him. You’re just choosing to believe her, you didn’t tag her like a shark and monitor everything that actually happened.

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Definitely agree modern dating culture has become toxic…by giving everyone too much freedom, female hypergamy and male polygyny have gotten out of control….and nearly everyone suffers for it.

It really is disgusting how we venerate single motherhood. Abortion is celebrated too…I’m not necessarily against abortion …,but celebrating it!? Seems evil.

Yes the average guys and below average women are the ones who suffer the most. Since joining this sub, it’s been really upsetting hearing just how much the incels silently suffer….and when they speak up, they’re just mocked as losers….it’s really disgusting!

I’m trying to learn more about how the below average women suffer, what the “femcel” really entails, what their plight is, female loneliness, etc.

I think one of my coworkers is a femcel….super awkward, very plain/frumpy looking, a bit tomboyish, very poor conversation skills (she can barely say hi to anyone, and it’s not because she’s conceited.). Like how is she supposed to meet a man like that?? Even if an equally awkward male incel tried to talk to her, she probably couldn’t even hold the conversation.

Yes I believe that number includes men not having sex by choice. But I think the majority of it is involuntary.

I’m still trying to understand more about why the FAW and incels can’t get together…..I’m sure the incels would be so happy to have someone , that they would treat them great.

I think it’s just female biology that won’t let them be with a genetically inferior male….as much as they hate being lonely, they’ll choose that over a relationship with genetic inferiority. Like their instincts won’t allow those genes to be passed on, even if it means they have to be alone.

That’s just a theory though, what do you think?

[–]ParadoxicalStairs 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don’t mind reading vent posts from guys because its nice to see their views on modern dating culture. I dislike the posts that have a certain level of vitriol towards all women. It’s very off putting and is likely the main reason why FAW users are discouraged from visiting places like these. I also don’t think single guys are losers, because FAW are on the same boat too.

I would describe FAW as the invisible women. The unattractive, socially inept ones that don’t get any attention from guys. The ones who get treated like dirt or doormats by society. The ones who are still hopeful, long for a genuine relationship with someone they can spend their life with. And then there are those who are bitter from past experiences and have pretty much become “femcels”, or misandrists.

Your coworker does sound like a femcel 😔. Hopefully she’s taking steps to improve her situation because being single and lonely can be really damaging to your mental health. If she has a good circle friends, that can somewhat makeup for not having a partner.

The problem with incels and FAW getting together is the lack of mutual attraction. This has also been discussed at r/ugly several times. Ugly people just dont find other ugly people attractive. My FAW friend’s “bf” (idk how to describe him because he doesn’t like her back) isn’t even a chad or handsome, and he turned her down because he thought he could find someone prettier. This is after she flew to his country and met up with him in person 😑.

[–]CryptoEscape 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Exactly….it’s fine for them to vent, but the vitriol is off putting. Maybe I’m too forgiving of women, but it’s not quite their fault their biology makes it so hard for them to pair with good (but unattractive) men. I’ve heard many women say this wish they could date that good nice guy, and lament how they’re attracted to assholes….they just can’t help it.

I think socially inept is the key thing about the femcel. I’ve seen some ugly and fat women that are super friendly , flirty, and smily, and they do get men. Maybe not Chad, but they have plenty interested men who are at least average.

But the inept ones, like that girl at work, I just don’t see how they could get a man without first overcoming their social difficulties. That girl gets jumpy when someone so much as says a friendly hi to her….how the heck is she supposed to go through the whole romance process when she can’t even say hi??

Her mental health is probably terrible, but it’s hard to say for sure. She’s always closed off, in her own little world, looks at the floor, and doesn’t like people trying to talk to her. I feel bad for her, but trying to talk to her seems to make things worse.

Spot on about the ugly people still not being attracted to other ugly people. While I think it’s much harder for women to lower their standards, men struggle too also, past a certain point…..men may be able to go down to a 3, women may only be able to go down to a 5 (for example, it’s hard to give definite numbers)

Wow she even flew out to meet him…,sometimes that inadvertently pumps their ego a bit too much….”wow she flew out here to me, maybe I can get someone a bit prettier to fly out next time.” IDK.

This sub has made me much more aware of the incel and the femcel, their silent suffering

[–]ParadoxicalStairs1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

How true is that stereotype of girls being attracted to assholes? Wouldn’t it bite them in the ass if they choose to pursue those types of guys?

Does your coworker have autism or a behavioral problem? I know a boy in school that behaves very similar to her. He’s very soft spoken, shy, rarely talks, stammers when he talks, and is very nerdy looking. I think it’ll be very difficult for him to adjust to the real world after high school if he can’t fix his quirks.

I’ve seen videos of women telling other women to never settle and they’re 10s (even though they’re not) and that could be contributing to some women’s inflated ego nowadays. I always find it ridiculous when people are offended about dating down, when that’s who they should’ve been dating in the first place.

My FAW friend said that she never had a guy interested her and she would do things like cold approaching men in hopes of finding a partner. She actually stopped talking to me and deleted her Reddit account since I told her to stop seeing her male friend (?). I have no idea how she’s doing these days. I just hope she’s safe because she’s a single woman traveling alone in foreign countries.

Yup, we’re all suffering 😆.

[–]CryptoEscape1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s not that they’re attracted to assholes per se, but the types of guys they’re attracted to tend to be assholes. They would much rather a strong but kind attractive man….but they’ll take a hot/attractive asshole over an unattractive “nice” (aka weak) guy.

Very few men know how to be strong but kind….how to be a considerate leader for her, factoring in her opinions and needs, rather than a domineering tyrant. It takes nuance, intelligence and empathy to lead.

Any idiot can be a tyrant/asshole or conversely a “nice guy”/ pushover. Women are so disgusted by pushovers they’ll take a tyrant over that…but they’d really prefer a strong considerate leader, who deeply understands her needs and desires.

That’s the female fantasy, the man they want to “sweep them off their feet.” Unfortunately those men are increasingly rare, leaving women frustrated and disillusioned.

I can’t tell if she’s autistic, but she very well might be. I’m mildly autistic myself (Asperger’s) but I’m high functioning and attractive, so my awkwardness is usually forgiven. She’s so quiet it’s really hard to tell. No one is mean to her at least, nor is she ever mean or lashing out.

Yeah the “toxic positivity” has gone way too far for women….to the point their delusions are harming them, they refuse to change , even to lose weight (difficult but possible.). Deep down I think they know it’s BS, but it’s easier for them to just lash out. It’s sad really.

That’s good she is at least trying. I remember a super awkward but friendly woman approached me once. It was cute for sure. I even talked with her for a few minutes, just to reward her effort, but I didn’t want to lead her onto anything else.

It’s too bad she stopped talking to you, but most people can’t handle reality.

It’s pretty impressive you realize all this, as most women don’t. Are you neurodivergent by chance? (Not being rude, I’m ND also)

Yeah we do all suffer for sure….life is full of suffering. Relationships make life much more bearable and beautiful . I love how when I hold a woman I can just feel her whole body and mind deeply calm down. It brings me peace and strength to keep fighting.

[–]ParadoxicalStairs1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So it all comes down to physical attraction for most women? And does that mean most good looking guys are aholes? Choosing them sounds like bad decision making to me. I kinda wonder where my dad fits in all this, and why my mom chose him.

Your coworker sounds like a good person and it’s good that her work environment is positive 🙂. She could just be really introverted and shy, without any behavioral problems. It’s hard to know unless she opens up to others.

It’s strange how toxic positivity has a stranglehold on women. Like in comparison, I don’t see a lot of fat guys getting upset over skinny women not choosing them. Or maybe I just haven’t watched enough videos about incels? Anyway, its really bizarre and I hope they come down to reality with their standards and expectations for men.

Idk if I’m neurodivergent. Do I have to take a psych test or smth to see if I am?

I’ve talked to a few FA guys on Reddit who shared the problems guys face in the dating scene and I also watched a lot of relationship/dating videos out of curiosity. Also because I’m trying to look out for my younger brother. I don’t want him to be FA or become bitter from being with terrible women.

[–]CryptoEscape1 point 2 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Ok let’s break this down more. It doesn’t all come down to physical attraction for women. It’s just that without physical attraction you can’t even get your foot in the door. Also, The more physical attraction a man has, the more his shortcomings are forgiven. So physical attraction comes first and foremost.

A man also needs masculinity to be attractive. Next he needs to be emotionally stimulating to get her hooked on him.

Good looking men aren’t necessarily assholes. You could argue that all the attention they get may make them more likely to be an asshole, but there’s plenty of kind, good looking men too. Also an ugly person could become an asshole since they are treated as lesser.

Women don’t exactly like assholes, it’s just that Assholes often have a way of pulling women into their orbit and giving them emotional stimulation (albeit negative emotional stimulation, but this is preferable to no emotional stimulation like a “nice guy.”).

Narcissists in particular are often very attractive to women, as women (and men too) mistake their delusional grandiosity for extreme confidence. Narcissists and other assholes can bring a lot of adventure, excitement and drama Into a woman’s otherwise boring life. They tend to be well connected socially.

But yeah choosing them is a very bad decision….but most women make decisions on emotions and instincts. Hence many women end up with assholes at least for a period of their life. Some end up damaged and hating men for it…. Not even considering all the good Men they passed over.

There’s definitely been a lot of backlash over the toxic positivity movement; we’ll see if it has any effect though.

Technically, you need a test to know if you’re Nueurodivergent but honestly it’s pretty obvious in most people. If you struggle to read social cues, that other people effortlessly read, you might be Neuro divergent. Awkwardness and socially inept that can’t easily be overcome with practice. Also, having a strong preference for truth is correlated with Neuro divergence. Lastly, women who prefer logic, are usually neurodivergent too.

That’s great you’re looking out for your younger brother! I sure wish I had all this information when I was a teenager…. I was so hopelessly blue pilled, and a Simp. Caused me all sorts of problems. It’s only gotten worse today, so hopefully you spare him from heartaches and headaches. Loving women as they are is a beautiful thing.

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From what i've heard from people around me, random chats with strangers and from what i've seen here on reddit, some of these guys say it's a deal breaker if the girl doesn't have perfect skin ( no acne, imperfections etc. ) while these dudes do 0 skincare or basic hygiene themselves or if the girl isn't skinny / fit with good curves, while they are on the chubby side themselves, these are just some examples. It is okay and even good to have standards, but at least have some standards for yourself too then.

Unfortunately media has warped our view on how the average guy or girl looks, because it's extremely easy to put a filter or two on and hide every imperfection you have and that's all you see on Instagram, facebook etc. , add makeup and the average girl without makeup irl looks dull, boring etc.

It doesn't help that we often compare ourselves with others online. Which often leads to self-esteem issues.I personally see this in some gym related posts.

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Title	What's your bodycount?
Author	Copepill
Upvotes	13
Comments	120
Date	October 1, 2023 6:09 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AllPillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/comments/16x87k7/whats_your_bodycount/
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