Should incels become redpilled?

PJ_GRE · 2021-10-29T17:14:01+00:00

I'll bite. Some of the stuff might work (hit the gym, aim to be outcome independent, don't make girls your priority), but the rest of the stuff is so toxic AND false that it will really affect your worldview and will probably set you back long term in achieving a fulfilling relationship. Casual sex is fun but it is an empty pursuit after you get your first lays. Just like having money is fun but after you have enough don't give your life away to a job to become a wage slave. Work on becoming the best version of yourself physically, mentally, emotionally, and socially and the rest will follow. To give you a concrete example: physically (gym and/or self defense, gives you looks and confidence), mentally (stem pursuits and/or artistic/humanistic pursuits, gains you money and makes you well rounded and fun), emotionally (therapy and/or meditation, gives you a more positive outlook on life which will make it more enjoyable and attract people to you), socially (cultivate friendships, reach out to people, try to never say NO to invites until you build a good circle, and try new experiences, if you seek women the best way to find them is through social proof and events, and you make friends along the way).

asshole67throw · 2021-10-29T17:39:07+00:00

No, because red pill only “works” if you are attractive and looking to trauma bond cluster B women.

Outside of those two requirements it’s nothing more than harrassment and confirmation bias of incellular beliefs.

Incels should just go there own way.

Amazing_Wolverine_37 · 2021-10-29T16:43:35+00:00

"Are you against the redpill because it has misogynistic views or because it doesn't work?"

Both.

znidz · 2021-10-29T21:16:25+00:00

I don't know if it's because redpillers/incels are allergic to books or something but actual, normal self improvement is a thing.

I personally would feel creeped out if I was talking to a group of guys going on about how great they are with women etc. I would automatically assume that they're a bunch of bullshitters. And in my first hand experience, every single guy like that has been an open misogynist. Maybe I'd've fallen for it if I was 18, I don't know.

I don't see why the same bullshit is so convincing online but I suspect it's merely because of how accessible all their crap is. You can go online, boom, its there. People are lazy as fuck, and their minds are as well. They want spoon feeding.

I've had girlfriends, flings with women etc (an average level) and every time we got to know each other was because we simply "got along" as people. Maybe because I'm not overweight and maybe I was dressed acceptably, maybe that helped.

Drop all the stupid rules, codes, stupid terminology and cringey, alienating neologisms etc because it feeds back into your brain and closes you off from the whole, full, spectrum of life and experience. Your mind becomes a hammer and therefore everything you see is a nail.

So drop it all, completely forget everything about all of those guys and all of that shit. Drop it all and shit on it.

Go out and do stuff, go to a drawing class, go for hikes, join a club, maybe read "how to win friends and influence people", maybe "The Mind Illuminated" maybe a Buddhism primer, some Jung, do some mushrooms, go to a rave, listen to Tangerine Dream, Ozric Tentacles, The Beach Boys, Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares, Dream Pop, Shoegaze, watch 2001 Space Odyssey, Tarkovsky, Jodorowsky, French New Wave.

Break open your head, fuzz it up, give it some rough surfaces for ideas and experiences to latch on to. There are no rules. You're on a cliff edge, you can stay still or you can jump. That fear is actually freedom. Anxiety is possibility and “Anxiety is love’s greatest killer”.

xvszero · 2021-10-29T21:31:55+00:00

Red pill isn't practical though. It leads to a bunch of bitter losers. Like no one who is into red pill is ever happy, even the ones who are "successful" ie get meaningless sex with someone they don't really respect every once in awhile.

BabisBaymax · 2021-10-29T18:22:51+00:00

It's sad how you view an ideology as something that will save you/resolve your problems, but this is not true, I don't need to get to know you, to know (ugh! English...) that your problems are more than you're just saying here, and red pill won't solve it, it can only pretend for a while, but won't be enough in the long term.

softnmushy · 2021-10-29T17:36:41+00:00

Here's the thing about redpill: It's a scam and doesn't really work.

It's not based on science. And it teaches a toxic viewpoint and toxic behaviors.

I understand it's very appealing because it gives you a set of rules to follow that will supposedly make you successful at dating.

There are a few good ideas in redpill: Try to improve yourself, workout, get healthy, work on your appearance, have a good job, and try to overcome your fear of talking to women. But that's all good advice that existed long before the redpill. The rest of the redpill is garbage.

Q-9 · 2021-10-29T17:43:34+00:00

It's quite insane to read from posts like these that are sure of what I want as a woman. Broad generalizations of half of the population. Fraction of that population might see themselves in this post, but it doesn't seem to matter. We are hivemind apparently.

As far as I see, I think you're already a redpill. It seems that only value of woman is their body for you. How to attract a body to get your virginity away. You don't care how to get it, so using manipulation and misogyny are options for you. Since the bodies have no personalities, they act the same as the hive tells them to. And then you wonder that you have no success for some reason?

princessbubbbles · 2021-10-29T20:20:52+00:00

What is your goal, a) to have sex with women and thats kind of it, b) to be in relationships, or c) to find a long term partner?

brztek · 2021-10-29T17:33:30+00:00

No. Why are you so obsessed with dating?

mein-shekel · 2021-10-29T16:33:56+00:00

HGW86 · 2021-10-30T04:01:12+00:00

You, nor any other man in your situation should not become red-pilled because it merely gives the APPEARANCE of a practical roadmap to a solution to your romantic problems or any other insecurity you may be dealing with, but hides so much ideological baggage under that thin layer of pseudo-stoicism that the red pill too becomes as completely useless and unfulfilling as the other bad advice you've been given in the past while making you more fearful, resentful, depressed and hopeless.

Red pill builds you up a little bit and then breaks you down much harder than your current insecurities do, which is the biggest reason why you shouldn't take it. You're attracted to the red pill because it's advertised as a solution to your problem, but it's just an opioid that gives a little relief but doesn't treat the source of your problem.

Unlike the other commenters, I'm not going to say you are completely wrong. A mass-mass-mass-mass majority of dating advice for men is absolute shit and you're absolutely correct in calling that problem out.

There's truth in a lot of the useless advice you're already given (such as "be confident" and "have a good personality"), but it's so vague and lacks so much nuance that it's useless.

You're very correct that anyone who says women are ONLY attracted to a good personality are naive or bullshitting. Women are no less shallow about looks than men, not very many people are going to admit to you that they are shallow about looks, but they are. You shouldn't judge women for it though, I'm sure you too have shallow preferences of women because I know I do.

A woman with an hourglass figure and D cups is going to be far more popular with the guys than a girl who is obese, no matter how what their personalities are like! Women look at men no differently.

I wish people were more honest about that kind of thing, because "I like a guy with broad shoulders, you should work on your traps and delts" is much more helpful advice than "have a good personality", even if it is shallow and harsh, but I digress.

But the problem with the red pill is it's NOT a solution to your problems, it's a scummy ideology that has to appeal to your insecurities to appear rational. Incels wear their insecurities on their chests and it makes you an easy target. Cults like the moonies and scientologists have done that to recruit people into their cults for years, redpill is no different them.

I don't know much about your or your situation other than what you've posted in this thread, but if I were to give you any advice, the very first thing you should do is stop identifying yourself as an Incel and don't make your lack of experience with women the forefront of your personality. Doing so will only make your fear about being a 30 year old virgin into a self fulfilling prophecy.

The other thing you mentioned is about confidence, I think this is a good article that explains what it is. It mentions the differences between self-esteem and confidence, which I think you should work on both. Working specifically on your own self-esteem will make you more naturally confident and that's always a good healthy to approach the mental side of addressing your own insecurities and will help you in the long run.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201510/self-confidence-versus-self-esteem

I hope this was helpful.

MentalAlternative8 · 2021-10-30T09:41:14+00:00

Other people have expressed the issue with the redpill to you over and over again, in various different ways, and it doesn't seem like you are listening. TRP is a silly ideology that treats women as objects and 'otherizes' them. Any women that values themselves, and has a high self esteem, and is emotionally mature will not fall for this quack nonsense. You may end up emotionally manipulating (because that is what a majority of redpill pick up artist techniques entail) some low self esteem, immature, vulnerable girls into having sex with you, but that isn't where you're going to find lasting happiness in terms of a relationship with another person.

You have referred to TRP as giving you an "explanation for how women work", as if women are some kind of hivemind and not actual human beings with various different motives for acting how they act and various different sets of views. This is silly, because as I said, women are not a monolith and any ideology claiming to have a one size fits all explanation of how 50% of the population functions is simplifying things to an irresponsible degree and is unlikely to apply to a large proportion of women.

I can spend time typing the same stuff other people in this thread have written, but it really doesn't seem to be getting through to you so I'm not sure if this is gonna be any different.

People who are stuck in the redpill need to find their own way out. This is evident in the fact that so many people have explained to you why it is a silly ideology, and yet you keep doubling down on why the redpill is not silly and is supposedly helpful to you. If it actually worked, you would not be an incel, and judging by your own words you still are one.

I hope you actually listen to the many intelligent and well reasoned people in this thread that have tried to educate you. It is hard to break free from a worldview that is not based on reality, because entering into such a worldview requires discarding actual reality and creating a new one inside your own head. A collective delusion. It may take quite some time for you to come to a healthy understanding of women and relationships, and I hope you manage to get there eventually.

I used to be bordering on redpill ideology. Surprise surprise, I didn't get laid when I had that attitude towards women. It took a while to unlearn that toxic mentality, but when I managed to shed it fully, I started to be able to see women as people and as a result they started to want to spend time with me more and sometimes have sex with me. I very much regret wasting years of my life having those shitty attitudes and I hope you do too if you ever manage to shake it .

I suggest you watch Contrapoints, Hbomberguy, Hasan Piker, and Shaun on YouTube. Specifically Contrapoints' videos titled "Men" and "Incels". Hbomberguy's "Pick up artistry" video also applies. These people are well educated and know their way around debunking redpill ideology.

Good luck mate.

sharedordaz · 2023-10-24T03:58:57+00:00

No. Redpill is damaging to all forms of psiche. It invites you to reject your identity and try to be other person, and not in a good sense

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Questi0nRea1ity · 2021-10-29T21:53:50+00:00

Be a solid stoic whole being. If you are open and flirtatious towards what you are interested in, just know you will not win them all.

juliuspepperwoodchi · 2021-10-29T16:44:47+00:00

No one "should" be "redpilled" it is a toxic ideology.

For the record, being an incel isn't much different, nor is it really better.

when men attempt to try to understand how women work we get told it's wrong and misogynistic and i wonder why.

Because that's not what is happening. Redpillers and incels aren't "attempting to understand how women work" they, wrongly, think they've already figured it out and are now trying to TELL both men and women "this is how women work, and if you disagree you're a communist soy boy cuck who has been brainwashed by feminazis"

It's like how Steven Crowder claims to just be "asking questions" and "starting conversations" when that's utter bullshit and he's clearly pushing a specific, biased agenda.

2021-10-30T08:00:00+00:00

The RP is just Blue-pill but edgier. All the stuff it teaches like go to the gym, PUA stuff and gaining money and status are just stuff you'll hear your Christian grandparents tell you to do, it's hopeful of course and it shows the lengths people will go to avoid facing the fact that for some men no amount of self improvement will get them a relationship, as an incel(a real incel, not a mentally ill volcel) it's just more logical to give up(which is weird cause you can't give up on something you had no control over) and live in misery or do "the unthinkable", at least then you'll be at peace.

Title	Should incels become redpilled?
Author	SpinxS99
Upvotes	2
Comments	118
Date	October 29, 2021 4:33 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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