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[–]barbedwiredaisycrownFDS Newbie 463 points464 points465 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If men are pushing you to do something and seem really excited about the prospect of you doing it (ie libfem sexual liberation of any variety), consider how it benefits them at your expense because that's likely what is happening
[–]Love_ArtemisFDS Newbie 70 points71 points72 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
When I see women who were formerly in the porn industry talking about why they wanted to do it, A lot of them seem to mention their boyfriends or a guy they were seeing at the time being the one to suggest that they should make money off of their body because "he said I was hot enough to do it and I wanted him to like me".
Another reason being that they were young with low self-esteem and wanted male validation and thought that was the only way guys would ever be interested in them. It was an easy short-term ego boost, but was not worth the long-term consequences and did absolutely nothing to help their self-worth.
Also seeing it as empowering and sexually liberating, but then eventually realizing that if they want to continue making a living off of this, they would have to do more and more depraved shit and things they were not into. So then it doesn't feel so empowering anymore because now you have to do what the people who are buying/watching your content want you to do to if you want to pay your bills.
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[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Disciple 591 points592 points593 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Men would also be doing it, infiltrating the highest level and making the whole thing “prestigious”.
(I am aware they are currently pimps who control the money, I mean they’d do the actual sex work. But they know it is degrading and soul-destroying so they don’t.)
[–]HumanAdhesiveness360FDS Newbie 228 points229 points230 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Underrated comment. Cant believe I never thought about how true this is
[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Disciple 235 points236 points237 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Thanks! Think about other things that were thought to be “women’s work” but wasn’t inherently degrading and harmful like selling your body. Men saw the potential for money and prestige. That’s why “women belong in the kitchen”, but the world-famous, prestigious chefs are men. It’s why computer programming used to be low-paid women’s work until men saw the potential and pushed women out.
It’s also why when men DON’T want to infiltrate it, like caregivers, low-level nursing and teaching (too thankless, too unglamorous, too other-oriented), these fields become “pink collar” and are consistently under-paid and over-worked.
[–]EqvviFDS Apprentice 160 points161 points162 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Also beer brewing used to be a female trade since 7000 BCE in almost all societies across the globe (Japan, Taiwan, China, Germanic tribes, Finland, Sumeria, Mesopotamia, Babylon, Egypt, Tanzania, Burkina Faso, Mayans, Andeans etc). It was an extension of cooking/baking. Hildegard of Bingen was the first one to add hops to it and record the recipe in 12th century. Then the trade guilds happened and mostly forced out women out of the profession, except in the countrysides. Then inquisition happened and the stereotypes of female brewers and connection to witchcraft started spreading. No easier way for men to control competition than to straight up unalive them. The alewives started getting depicted as untrustworthy, vile, and nasty in art and poetry, because it was still one of the more reliable ways for an unmarried woman or a widow to make a living.
And now some men still screech about beer brewing as this super masculine profession that is no place for women. Mysteriously, it tends to be a respectable profession.
Reposting again because of unalive language that got deleted by the automod.
[–]blackmetalbettyFDS Newbie 79 points80 points81 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think I once read a book on Alchemy that touched on this. Distillation, women's involvement in brewing or Alchemy. Man, they won't let us have anything cool.
[–]ProtoetypeFDS Newbie 63 points64 points65 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This happened with medicine and computers too.
[–]NovemberinthechairFDS Disciple 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They definitely stole medicine from us. They were so afraid we were going to perform abortions on each other or take holistic precautions against pregnancy...why not just call all midwives witches?
They stole computer programming. Secretaries have been doing it since WW II.
If sex work were empowering, they'd kick women out and claim they were never any damn good at it anyway, use evo psych bullshit then increase their salaries ten fold.
[–]SpicyScroteRoasteryFDS Newbie 36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I absolutely love this place. I get to learn so much about all kinds of things from amazing women around the planet. Thank you! 👏🥰
[–]HumanAdhesiveness360FDS Newbie 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea!! Where else will we get the truth HIStory patriarchy 🤮
[–]east_endFDS Newbie 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Excuse me, you’re talking here with PhD level insights and information and have sent me on a journey of discovery, thank you. I hope you are flying (on your broomstick😉) through your life 😍
[–]biggestrebel_art 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True but men have no problems using these women-orientated jobs to be the boss (more male doctors, more male principals/superintendents, etc.) But won't participate in the actual work
[–]samara37 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Almost always there are pimps or some dude profiting from it
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[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Disciple 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why don’t you go back to the sex work sub to complain about how we are all big meanies, Serena Joy.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao that sex worker sub is full of women claiming we’re jealous that they have to rent their vagina to degenerate men
Urm no try again pick me
Dumb broads
[–]justsomeonenerdy 115 points116 points117 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I’ve learned so much since following this sub.
[–]Tonera 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have too. It hurts to think about how much time, energy, and resources I was wasting before I saw the truth of my surroundings.
[–]Lovely-CloudsFDS Newbie 143 points144 points145 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately the libfems will miss the point when Ben Shapiro type conservatives come out saying prostitution is gross and immoral.
We need an additional sticker underneath it: "To right wing men, we are private property. To left wing men, we are public property. - Andrea Dworkin"
[–]Inside_Inside_8610FDS Newbie 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Andrea Dworkin gets so much bad press, but she was right on the money.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please turn this quote into stickers and stick it womens bathrooms!
[–]kolbin8r 295 points296 points297 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I am really grateful I found this sub re: sex work. I used to believe that shit was empowering or women reclaiming...something? Y'all saved me from libfem fairy tales.
[–]lessadessaFDS Newbie 129 points130 points131 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same girl same. My eyes have been opened and I have 20/20 vision now because of this sub.
[–]HaveNoIdeaWhatToPickFDS Apprentice 93 points94 points95 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Libfems are trying to cope by ignoring the reality or rebranding it while we drop hard pills to swallow but at least we remain honest with ourselves.
[–]annrike1FDS Newbie 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am really honest with you. I used to say I am a liberal feminist.
My logic was: Conservative men want women to tell what they can and can not do with their body.
Choice feminism: Women can decide what they can and can not do with their body.
If I am against prostitution <-> I am against the bodily autonomy of women.
I know it is a false aquivalent. But I was a teenager ..
I just thaught it wasnt for me and thats it.
The idea of prostitution seemed progressive.
Liberal feminists were labeling women who prostitute themselves as promiscous, who would have sex with these men anyway. They are now just making money with it. So if a Jon refuses to pay (or all Jons would refuse to pay) she would still be having sex with this many gross men. (Without orgasm or pleasure, a high risk of STDs etc.).
[–]spacebound232 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
God same, I though “women can do what they want with their bodies” but that’s not something people WANT to do. It’s degrading and turns you into an object or spectacle.
[–]DreamlikeNile 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes the idea that women in prostitution WANT to do that gross stuff is a male fantasy that is part of the job that prostitutes have to sell. Men WANT it to be as degrading and abusive as possible. Prostitutes are commonly hit and strangled. They get off on the power of money effectively forcing their way into women's bodies. And pornography has led to even more degrading and cruel practices like having to suck a dirty penis after being sodomized. For your job. Is that empowering?
It's a cruel joke. It's the same as paying a homeless person to eat something with faeces in it. It's a despicable form of exploitation and I'm proud of this group and the amazing women in it for standing against it.
I have nothing against prostitutes and I just want then to be financially free of the disgusting pervy exploiters.
[–]Longjumping-Size-762 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Read a brilliant quote when I was still a teen that stuck with me for life, “Prostitution is not the world’s oldest profession, it’s the world’s oldest oppression”.
[–]CNhumanFDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So fucking true.
[–]emmgdacFDS Newbie 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh shit lmao
[–]FuckSakezFDS Newbie 84 points85 points86 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where is the lie?
[–]ProtoetypeFDS Newbie 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey guys, why aren't you out there sucking dick for the latest game console?
Better yet, just suck some dick so you can pay your child support. If sucking dick is a legitimate job then get out there and deep throat one ya lazy bums.
[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can we stick this in EVERY FEMALE BATHROOM POSSIBLE???
[–]FREEBRITNEYBITCHH 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Scalding us with that tea sis 🙌🙌🙌
[–]fallen_pillow 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry but I don't share the idea of feeling empowered when all you're doing is sexualizing yourself. Now women and girls are almost naked in their social media and people claim they are empowered... No they are not.
[–]MACMUAFDS Apprentice 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The ball don’t lie
[–]BasieSkanksRuthless Strategist 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So many triggered sex workers in comments. I hope they wake up and realise that the men who pay them don’t rate them AT ALL.
[–]pascalinesFDS Newbie[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Are there really? I can’t wrap my mind around women genuinely believing they’re empowered by sex work.
[–]BasieSkanksRuthless Strategist 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of the biggest scams of the patriarchy is telling women that sexually servicing men for a price is empowering when it diminishes their options and leaves them exposed to copious amounts of abuse. The same men they’re servicing will be the same men who turn them down for relationships/jobs because of their sex work.
[–]Curiousalice88FDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It was just decriminalized where I live.
[+]Gamerfaith -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
When did hating on sex workers become female empowerment?
Aren't we supposed to lift up each other not tear down women for their choices regarding their own body?
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