So... what's the feeling about circumcision here?

NimishApte · 2022-02-09T05:37:47+00:00

Circumcision is male genital mutilation. It's a non consensual violation of bodily autonomy of an infant. The benefits are questionable and it's as deadly as SIDS(Sudden Infant Death Syndrome). And no, religious freedom does not justify it.

austin101123 · 2022-02-08T23:15:29+00:00

We do not support routine infant male circumcision, which is an unnecessary mutilation of defenseless babies

ThreeHourNap · 2022-02-08T23:18:42+00:00

Objectively, it’s a painful and (almost always) unnecessary surgery that removes a very sensitive and beneficial part of the penis that’s performed on someone who cannot consent. In my opinion, it’s genital mutilation.

reasonNlogic28 · 2022-02-08T23:38:08+00:00

It's genital mutilation.

politicsthrowaway230 · 2022-02-09T00:15:12+00:00

In babies or young children, violation of bodily autonomy.

Even while the benefits are questionable, it remains a non-starter because of the lack of consent. There is some pressure (not sure how to quantify how much) to get circumcised from people that fetishise circumcised penises.

the-working-dead · 2022-02-09T01:44:33+00:00

Absolutely criminal genital mutilation.

Flojoe420 · 2022-02-09T12:00:07+00:00

For examples of this, check out r/GrossCutters for screenshots of women saying and inflicting this fetid fetish unto their helpless children. When rates are high as they are, you will have the pro-choicers in there signing off and handing over their baby.

Ask yourself what would drive a man to feel this way: Stage 1 of Circumcision Grief: Rage

I can’t think of a more submissive, whipped act than men being deemed mentally incapable of hygiene and need tissue from their genitals amputated rather than clean them like women, as well as to satiate these very same women’s fetish for altered genitals. Prime examples of the fox without a tail fable, they are so adament in defending their cut position, they will ensure their children will join them too.

These are the levels to how I evaluate circumcision:

Tier 1: Genital alteration without informed consent

Adults can get full anesthesia and can request the exact amount of tissue to be removed from their developed penis. The doctor is shooting in the dark for how much tissue to remove from an infant penis he has no clue how it will develop later on.

Infants would be under pain from the bare minimum anesthesia and the open wound that is burning from urine and risking infection from feces inside the diaper. Regardless, the exposed urethra will be taking in contaminants and likely suffer meatal stenosis.

If you keep your son intact, and he does grow up to have insufficient self-esteem and succumbs to American/genital cutting society’s circumcision views, he can always get it removed.

If you circumcise him, and he realizes he lost his ridged band and possibly his frenulum, he can’t ever get his foreskin back. His body is his and his only to cosmetically alter when he is able to consent as an adult.

In civilized societies - https://i.redd.it/fo2ghgbe9u351.png - we afford genital integrity to helpless infants so they can make informed decisions later on about any permanent modifications to the one body they own.

Tier 2: An unnecessary surgery for cosmetic reasons and asinine health benefits

Refutations of the alleged benefits of infant male circumcision

American doctors are studying medical literature that omits the foreskin: https://youtu.be/SB-2aQoTQeA?t=26m22s

Some common cosmetic complications that most cut men accept as “what penises are supposed to look like”:

discoloring along scarline and transition between outer skin and inner skin
too taut skin from a tight cut style
pubic hair skin pulled up to shaft to compensate for lack of slack skin
dry, keratinized glans
webbing and skin bridges from improper skin fusing during healing process

Tier 3: Purposeful diminishing of sexual enjoyment

Science has proven that circumcision removes the five most sensitive parts of the penis:

https://i.redd.it/jbpvyi1wizf21.jpg

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

"The inner surface, the under surface of the foreskin is probably one of the most heavily innervated parts of the human body." - https://youtu.be/XwZiQyFaAs0?t=1766 [NSFW]

"I can tell you that the most pleasurable part of my penis is a tiny area on the underside where my foreskin was once attached, and this is the case for nearly all cut men as that was where their frenulum(a string-like structure that attaches the foreskin to the head of the penis) was and is the only place where cut men have any fine touch sensation left. . . . We lose out on nearly all of this, some more than others as there is no standard for circumcision and a million variables."

The frictionless gliding mechanism of the foreskin is far superior to any lubrication as the foreskin is a toroidal linear bearing, able to glide the shaft in a tube of inverting skin without any friction at the entrance. The deepest part of the vaginal cavity only makes direct contact with the penis’s hidden inner parts(glans, frenular delta, and extended inner foreskin) when it is fully thrusted in.
The ridged band will be removed definitely, as it is the very tip of the foreskin when flaccid. It has pleasurable nerves that respond to stretching stimulation, which is done with every stroke as the glans glides the foreskin over itself over and over. The foreskin also acts as a cushion for the glans’ corona as it scrapes the vaginal walls gently, compared to calloused glans corona scraping the vaginal walls roughly. The ridged band is further stimulated when its pressed between the vaginal walls and the corona.
The foreskin acts as a plug for keeping vaginal lubrication fluid, pre-cum fluid, and/or artificial lube inside the vaginal/anal cavity, while circumcised penises, if they are not a loose cut, will secrete the lubricant fluid out and dry it out on the shaft when exposed to air with each outstroke. With each instroke, the glans will redistribute the lubrication fluid kept inside by the foreskin as it re-enters the vaginal cavity.
The frenulum may be cut off if the surgeon is particularly sadistic. Repeated stimulation of this most pleasurable structure can bring men to orgasm. Cut men with their frenulum intact but exposed will be prone to premature ejaculation, as they lack the foreskin tissue and ridged band nerves that modulate the pleasure received by the frenulum to whatever level the man wants it at throughout the entirety of the sexual intercourse - full speed if they want the orgasm now or scale back to edge. This is absent for cut men with their frenulum excised, so it feels like they are fucking with a glove condom and jackhammering til the ejaculate happens and not much pleasure from the ride itself. Partners may complain of soreness and him taking too long to cum.
Keratinization(formation of protective layer of rough callous skin) of the glans due to it being an internal organ exposed to air, rubbing against fabric in some way almost 24/7, and exposure to dirt particles next to exposed urethral opening, causing infection and stenosis.
These mechanisms mean that intact penis can derive full stimulation from shorter strokes and cut penis need longer and more forceful strokes to maximize any kind of friction and pressure stimulation on what remaining pleasurable nerves were left on it and not keratinized yet.
Scarification will be unevenly textured and two different skin tones of the outer skin and inner skin now exposed.

http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/10F/Foreskin_Functions.html

http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/10F/1hook_scrapes.html

Who would want to give up the male version of "the minis"?

Cut men lack the "orgasmic" sensations of the ridged band. The ridged band and frenulum are reflexogenic nerve structures that are essential to trigger orgasm/ejaculation.

https://www.academia.edu/25577623/A_preliminary_poll_82_of_circumcised_men_ignore_serial_anejaculatory_mini_orgasms_the_male_minis_91_of_the_intact_enjoy_them_updated_05_27_2018_

I observed this "twitching" and contracting of the penis on almost every intact guy I've been with, but never on my own body or another cut guy. Sexual reflexes are triggered by nerves and cut guys lack them almost completely. https://archive.is/WnosZ#selection-2701.0-2711.227

https://www.reddit.com/r/CircumcisionGrief/comments/esvppf/anejaculatory_miniorgasms_in_intact_men/

A common misconception is that intact means too much sensitivity. A great analogy here is listening to a symphony without the violas section: https://youtu.be/XwZiQyFaAs0?t=40m47s

R.N. Marilyn Milos discusses that the “nerve endings in the ridged band (foreskin) are the accelerator that allow the man to ride the wave to orgasm. When they’re cut off the man is left with an off/on switch instead of an accelerator. Men who say they couldn’t stand more sensation don’t understand that the nerve endings in the ridged band give quality not quantity.”

The foreskin's ridged band and frenulum act as an accelerator that gives pleasurable feedback on where a man is at in terms of arousal and how close to ejaculation. Cut men without frenulums report jackhammering because they can't feel this pleasure data until the ejaculate happens and are more prone to premature ejaculation due to inability to sense it coming.

Tier 4: Genital Mutilation and object rape with a probe and knife

“To me, my grievance seems pretty straightforward. I was overpowered at the weakest point of my life, strapped naked by the wrists and ankles to a circumstraint, spread-eagled, while someone stimulated my penis to erection, before inserting things into it and cutting flesh from it (NSFL). Instead of sympathy for this I've been mocked and laughed at, lied to about what happened, called crazy and even pedophile for "being so interested in children's dicks". As I look at the definition of gaslighting, I start to think that these were active attempts to undermine my perceptions and sanity rather than simple ignorance.” - https://redd.it/byvlqn

"I've never heard an animal make a sound like that" (NSFL) https://youtu.be/i0M5ZHd6E5I?t=11m27s

Tier 5: Legalized Live Organ Harvesting from American and South Korean infants of their uncontaminated prepuce tissue for sale to stem cell and cosmetic companies

https://archive.md/n9U8x

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penis-facial_n_5b02df5be4b0463cdba4a6fa

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/shortcuts/2018/nov/26/foreskin-facial-kate-beckinsale-serum-anti-ageing

TL:DR https://i.redd.it/gac80v8wtfe31.jpg

Cking_wisdom · 2022-02-09T00:34:35+00:00

Mutilation

SuspicousEggSmell · 2022-02-08T23:55:25+00:00

I swear a few weeks ago the sub agreed on that week having the theme of anti-circumcision cause that was the majority if not all the posts in that week

BitsAndBobs304 · 2022-02-09T11:39:21+00:00

r/intactivism

Cool-Studio1841 · 2022-02-09T00:17:07+00:00

That sub just talks about womens rights which isn't bad just don't act like u care about rights

needletothebar · 2022-02-09T01:03:28+00:00

the mods on menslib are pro circumcision. they very heavily censored that discussion. most of the comments on it got removed.

AdNo9347 · 2022-02-09T12:20:41+00:00

Infant circumcision should be banned (unless ledical reasons)

HeartbreakGal · 2022-02-09T14:19:11+00:00

MensLib bans people who calls it genital mutilation, who point out the legal sexism of FGM being illegal, and the mod himself calls anyone who wants it illegal an idiot

https://np.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/l462rw/its_time_labour_backed_banning_circumcision/

MRA_TitleIX · 2022-02-09T16:23:58+00:00

Circumcision is wrong and should not be performed. Two exceptions exist.

It is okay if it is medically necessary akin to removing an appendix that is about to burst. "Cleanliness" is not a medical necessity.
It is okay if the person who it is being done to is a legal adult and requested it be done. Adults can choose to modify their bodies.

Horny20yrold · 2022-02-09T01:06:15+00:00

Ditch men's liberation already, they are a bunch of feminist Larpers.

Algoresball · 2022-02-09T15:34:10+00:00

It’s a violation of human rights

Riganthor · 2022-02-09T11:11:10+00:00

it should only be allowed for medical reasons (yes there are a few) and the child should be asked and allowed to weigh in their opinion aswell ( this was done to me and I am uncircumcised due to me having the choice). Outside of medical reasons it should be prohibited

AdAcademic4290 · 2022-02-09T18:59:26+00:00

Fewer than 1 in 16,687 males will ever need to be circumcised for medical reasons. Figures from Iceland, a country with close to 0% circumcised males.

Remember - "The most common cause of penile injuries is... from complications of circumcision" Joyce C. Arpilleda MD FAAP pg 163 Strange & Schafermeyer's Pediatric Emergency Medicine 4th ed 2015

"The majority of... circumcisions...are unnecessary (ie normal non-retractile foreskins..." "...Most cases of penile trauma are... as a result of circumcision. Bleeding post-circumcision usually needs exploration under anesthetic." pg 880-881 Oxford Handbook of Pediatrics 2nd ed 2013

[in infants or children, the foreskin is generally fused to the glans, keeping the area sanitary. Most males become retractable by 10 1/2 years old. Some are older; and that is fine too. Once retractable, all the male need do is pull back the foreskin, rinse off with clean water during his normal shower or bath and pull the foreskin back down. All gently of course. Takes seconds.]

Both of the above books are medical textbooks, used to train doctors, nurses, clinicians etc who work in ERs (A&Es), providing emergency medical care to infant / child patients. If you wish to view the books yourself, you may find them in university libraries or university bookshops.

FatherStygian · 2022-02-09T08:28:12+00:00

It's a genital mutilation and people are way too eager to perform it without any need or when treatments which do not mutilate genitals are available. I don't believe it's ever necessary. Foreskin is skin and therefore can be stretched.

llkppll · 2022-02-09T18:05:09+00:00

Its ok as long as its done to a consenting adult, but otherwise - not good, bad even

genkernels · 2022-02-10T08:49:05+00:00

I mean if God tells you to hurt a baby, you get a knife and start cutting. What I don't understand is cultural circumcision and the UN circumcision campaign that uses COVID-mandate style rhetoric to horrific result.

c0d3s1ing3r · 2022-02-09T13:52:45+00:00

I got it when I was a baby and if I'm missing sensitivity I don't know what I'm missing lol.

I'll give my son the opportunity to choose though, but I really don't feel violated. For those others that may, you're obviously allowed to feel as you feel, but don't be a victim.

AaronStack91 · 2022-02-09T00:48:23+00:00

To get meta, I would also state im against it but it is one of many issues to address.

Specifically, there are alot of MRAs out there that whip themselves up in a frenzy online and go on these major nonsequitor rants about circumcision. That doesn't help anyone... mostly because it is clear no one is listening at that point because it stopped being a conversation.

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pyschoandie · 2022-02-11T15:29:01+00:00

Unnessary i will never mutilate an infants genitals for nothin more den cosmetic purposes. I'm agaist all childhood n infants gential muliatlate includin intersex indviduals.

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