The Left's Hypocrisy on False Accusations

TheSpaceDuck · 2022-05-17T12:20:06+00:00

The left and progressive circles are in my opinion, way too hypocritical on men's rights, where they suddenly turn into hard-core right wingers.

Unfortunately you nailed it here. Third-wave feminism has become a mockery of "left-wing" ideals, it is as "left-wing" as North Korea is a "democratic republic", just in name.

One of the most obvious example is to pick any issue that's common between ethnic minorities and men. The attitude towards that issue becomes opposite depending on the demographic:

- We recognize that the differences in black vs white violent crime perpetration are due to significantly higher homelessness, mistrust of authority, abuse and corporal punishment as children, substance abuse, violence victimization, etc. - however these exact same issues disproportionately affect men, yet we treat the differences in male vs female violent crime perpetration as just "men being violent", and supposedly "left-wing" parties don't shy away from going full KKK on the issue.

- We don't have a problem recognizing there is systemic racism in the justice system. However, even though gender court bias is 6 times higher than the already high racial bias, we refuse to admit there is systemic sexism in the justice system. Quite the opposite, feminist groups often go as far as saying men are privileged when it comes to the justice system.

- When it comes to police brutality and murder, a topic so important that it triggered one of the biggest social movements of the last few decades, this picture speaks for itself. For some reason, all the "caring about victims of unjustified violence and murder" is suddenly gone as if it was never there.

- When it comes to rape victims not being treated well enough by justice, it's a major topic whenever it happens to women, yet feminist groups will go as far as to ensure it remains legal for women to rape men because "otherwise men would falsely accuse women".

- When it comes to male (lack of) reproductive rights, "he had a choice, to keep it in his pants" becomes a popular argument, despite being the exact same argument pro-lifers use on women's reproductive rights.

- When it comes to the falsely accused, your post pretty much says it all.

The fact that we still consider the feminist movement a "left-wing" one out of dogma rather than classifying it on its actions and ideals is hurting left-wing politics as a whole as well as human rights.

SpicyMarshmellow · 2022-05-17T14:09:12+00:00

Lots of good comments here. One thing I've noticed for a while that nobody's mentioned:

Abusive behaviors and relationship dynamics have been a hot topic in left wing/progressive circles for a long time. We're well aware that it's common for abusers to shield themselves by accusing their victims of being the real abuser. And there has been some progress in the last couple years with people recognizing that male abuse victims are more common than people wanted to admit for a long time. But almost nobody puts these two thoughts together, and acknowledges that if woman can be abusers, too, then false accusations are an incredibly powerful tool at their disposal, handed to them on a silver platter by the left's attitudes. It shows just how little they care about male victims, too, when almost every male victim story I've ever seen has involved their abuser openly threatening false accusations. So it's both not a logical stretch, and something plainly visible to anyone who pays attention to reported experiences. And when I've talked to people about this, the response I normally get will be somewhere between "You've given me something to think about" and "Ok but women still have it worse, so this is just a sacrifice men have to make." Also doesn't reflect well on the "male victims aren't taken seriously because of patriarchal gender norms" narrative.

vaaralinen · 2022-05-17T11:37:56+00:00

A bitterly funny thing to add: when it comes down to the very possibility of accusing WOMEN of rape, it's somehow ALL "false accusations used to oppress", like google Israeli feminists opposing the rape law changes. But what would happen if men were against any rape laws at all for the same reason women are against being subject to them, who would they be called? You'd sometimes hear things like, "what rights do men want, a right to rape?!", but this is one example how it's in fact feminists who are advocating for the preservation of female privilege to rape people without just punishment. I think that's called projection.

I wonder if it's right that these people are called "left", or at least "libertarian left", when they're clearly in love with creating such unjust hierarchies

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-05-17T14:16:09+00:00

The hypocrisy is even worse because the biggest victims of this are minority and poor men, these men don't have the tools to defend themselves against this.

Here is a quick tool: Anytime someone tries to deflect false rape accusations,

discuss the economic and social consequences of allegations.
Then point out the race and class dynamics behind this.
And show them these:

After 3 Decades, Exonerated After False Rape Accusation | Innocence Ignored

Wrongfully accused rapist exonerated after 5 years in jail

Wrongfully Jailed For Rape As A Teen, He Now Helps Others Falsely Convicted (he needed her to admit to she lied)

College student falsely accused of rape speaks out (he needed her to admit to she lied)

Man Says False Accusations ‘Turned His Life Upside-Down’

Man freed after 29 years in prison for rape he didn't commit (his life lost just on the words of someone)

A Wrongful Conviction 'Destroyed' This Man's Life

False Accusation leads to Mans Death (he died due to white knighting or female proxy violence, he didn't even get to defend himself. This shows false rape accusations effects don't begin and end in prison)

It is disgusting that leftists have this irrational defense for rape accusations. The problems with them is that they don't think of poor people like the people above but they think of rich men who can defend themselves like Brett Ratner (I don't know if he is guilty or not) or Johnny Depp (who is innocent and is an abuse victim). People who can defend themselves and have resources. False rape accusations are a class and race issue.

FightOrFreight · 2022-05-17T13:08:39+00:00

I'll point out that the Innocence Project does actually handle a LOT of rape cases, but they always involve a deceased victim or instances where the complainant and the accused were strangers and identification of the accused is at issue.

I think I remember reading that they have a policy of never taking a rape case if consent is at issue rather than identity.

Interesting_Doubt_17 · 2022-05-17T14:55:48+00:00

I've realized that most people are acting like right-wingers regarding men's rights issues.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-05-17T12:07:27+00:00

Can I also make the suggestion of adding a new flair called the 'Left's Hypocrisy'?

How about double standards, which is one I have been thinking of adding?

Also, good post! Stickied.

WesterosiAssassin · 2022-05-17T13:07:06+00:00

Another part of it is they don't take the social consequences of false accusations at all seriously. And yeah, your life won't be as ruined as it would be if you were sent to prison for years, but it could still be pretty damn ruined, and there's very little sympathy for that, or for the fear of it happening (even if it's statistically very unlikely).

Oncefa2 · 2022-05-17T13:16:40+00:00

The left is very concerned about false accusations of murder, drug dealing, drug consumption and robbery. They insist on better due process protections for the accused, eliminating plea deals because too many innocents are trapped, eliminating cash bail because it locks up too many poor, innocent people.

Many of these issues have both racial and gender components. With black men being the largest proportion of victims.

It's relatively uncommon for women of any race to be falsely accused of a crime, or even suspected to begin with. I'd guess that a similar magnitude of women get away with crimes as men who are falsely convicted.

Moreover, the left used to recognize false rape accusations as being racially motivated.

Black men used to be hung for even looking at a white woman. As many as 30% of racially motivated lynchings were done because of false accusations. Ida B. Wells documented cases from the 1800s where false accusations of rape resulting in black men being hung. There were even cases of interracial relationships resulting in black men being hung. The woman had to claim it was assault because it was illegal for black and white people to be together. So hidden affairs often resulted in false accusations which then resulted in lynchings. A pattern that you still see today in false accusations (maybe you can forgive a white woman back then for "saving herself" given the racial climate, but today's strong and independent women really ought to take responsibility for their actions).

Recently 5 black and Hispanic teenage boys were convicted (and the exonerated) of the rape of a white woman in Central Park largely because they were men of color. Liberals did jump on that case but the feminist icon Bell Hooks also weighed in and said that black men are conditioned by black patriarchal culture to rape white women so of course people would suspect them of doing it. She even seemed to suspect them herself.

The left used to care about these types of cases just 10 or 20 years ago. It is consistent with both liberal and leftist ideals. But radical feminism has gained more and more influence over the years which has made this topic off limits on the left. Including even in the most egregious cases like the Central Park 5 case.

excess_inquisitivity · 2022-05-17T22:22:21+00:00

Honestly, i'd have expected to be banned from here for stating the views you did above. I'm encouraged that you did so, because I agree.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2022-05-18T20:09:38+00:00

I am on the right.

At its core it is not about a standard that is universally applicable. A principle that should apply widely. Equal protections and rights for all. Or any of that.

It is about tribalism. This is good for us, therefore it is morally correct and those negatively affected should still follow it. It is protection of 1 group at the expense of other groups.

Identity politics in a nutshell. Rules for thee, freedom for me.

Consequences are for others. Accountability is for men.

That sort of stuff.

To put it another way. When you have a group that perceives itself as victims and you elevate them to equality with their former perceived oppressors, they will still consider themselves oppressed. It is when you place them in a position of power over their former opporessors, then they will consider themselves equal.

Olilord5020 · 2022-05-17T15:06:42+00:00

Honestly, I'm slightly afraid of a possibility of being falsely accused of rape. Although my attitude isn't paranoid (I don't entirely avoid every woman who I encounter), I have some fears. I'm afraid of possible destroying my reputation and I don't want to go to prison convicted of rape when actually innocent.

Blithmuthuth · 2022-05-22T21:27:13+00:00

I've had about 6 long term relationships, and 3 of them ended in false accusations (out of learned paranoia, I even took a dang video of the last one, just to prove they're lying. Oh, yeah, and one tried to have unconsensual sex with me.

Now my dad thinks I hit my partners, and I've lost friends over it, because they just take my ex's word for it.. Another time, I was extremely paranoid about morning after birth control, and they REFUSED for days to take contraception. I had to beg.. for days.

aaaand.. that's it. The end.

Haha. No. Of course not.
I used to be buku close to my sister, but now even she doesn't talk to me. Last Christmas, she tried to nicely ask if I hit my last partner, and I said no. I said I had a video to prove it. She just said.. "nah, I mean, I know "believe women", but you're my brother." (anyone wanna take a hard guess what her social politics ideology is?)

Two problems. One.. sure she was trying to be nice.. but like. I HAVE PROOF. She pretty much internally didn't believe me, but just thought to "forgive me". what the bjork???

Has anyone else realized that the "me too" movement has been grossly over generalized?
What I mean is.. the movement was intended to shine a limpid light on sexual misconduct of influential men who are too socially powerful to fall (although, granted.. I'm pretty sure a lot of them didn't do anything. Call me biased, but like I said.. I had enough false accusations for one lifetime, thanks). It's a VERY simple concept. Regardless of how legitimate a claim.. if a tiny small town coffee shop tried suing Starbucks.. well... I'll cherish their memory.

Anywho, so if isn't yet self explanatory, "believe women" (to h0ld up on the absurdity of it..) never made any dang sense as "believe any woman over any man"

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