I Am A Low Value Man

DreamDelving · 2020-03-26T12:40:30+00:00

Food is a drug

And believe in you

StrongAttitude · 2020-03-26T13:00:59+00:00

This is what MGTOW is partly about: Self-improvement. Sadly many men don't know they're low value men and many other men even hate women for not liking low value men.

Well, I don't like low value women, so why would I expect high value women to like a low value man like me?

NohoTwoPointOh · 2020-03-26T13:13:52+00:00

I changed my diet from eating £10-15 worth of take away junk food including drinking 3 litres of Coca Cola a day to one 3 piece chicken and chips (fries) meal with 3 hotwings and a can of coke. Yes this isn't exactly a healthy meal however it has much less calories in it than what I used to have.

No, not a healthy meal but guess what? It is a HELLUVA improvement from what you were eating. That's how progress works. Later, you'll replace your first can of coke with water. But for now, pat yourself on the back for improving.

If you focus on the goal, you are indeed "low value". However, if you focus on the PATH (which I am a believer of), you are actually high value because you are following the Way. A man who looks to improve and acts upon it? He is nothing short of nobility.

Keep it up. You have an army of men who are proud of you and are rooting for you to continue your successes as a high-value man.

Huzzah!!!

reinaldo866 · 2020-03-26T13:08:40+00:00

But try to become a better version of yourself FOR YOU, don't do it to become a "high value man" just to impress for unloyal cunts that will not care about you at all

ikhwan_arif · 2020-03-26T13:32:06+00:00

One day at a time my man. One day at a time.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-03-26T17:13:15+00:00

3 litres = 1200 calories. Good you've dropped that! Fried chicken and fries and pop, dude that's rough. Try a rice bowl with chicken or fish. You might find you actually LIKE healthier food! My mouth waters when I think of a really nice piece of grilled salmon.

"Yes I am low value but I am working to change that."

You're fucking awesome man. You've accepted where you are, accepted how society works and accepted that YOU, not others, are the change that needs to happen.

I say GOOD FOR YOU MAN. I've been down in low value territory and I'm heading there again with my life choices. Higher value people who are consistent don't often appreciate how HARD it is to climb out of a rut. But, those of us who have done it DO KNOW.

KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT, MAN!

ZenitGG · 2020-03-26T13:30:57+00:00

It all starts admitting your short comings. Once you admit youve got a problem then you can start working on it.

redditloginfail · 2020-03-26T13:38:58+00:00

Progress! Yeah eating habits are pain in the ass to adjust. You keep feeling better at time goes on though!

DreamDelving · 2020-03-26T11:44:34+00:00

Thats the point of mgtow. To better yourself for YOU, gotta get down to the 1600 to 2000 calorie a day range bud. I eat a bacon/tomatoe/cheese omelette for breakfast, for lunch a chicken breast, veggie, mashed potatoes and a yogurt. Dinner is a snack...usually a pbj or a protein bar. Drink a decent amount of water and stay away from soda pop and candies. Its hard at first but your body will adjust. You gotta want it man. Do this for a month and i promise you wont believe your progress. Oh...and NO ALCOHOL lol.

edit so many typos 🤦🏻‍♂️

901735 · 2020-03-26T14:29:41+00:00

"Small moves, pumpkin, small moves."

drmonkeytown · 2020-03-26T14:44:20+00:00

And don’t give society and especially women the power to define your value.

ketchuppie · 2020-03-26T13:33:22+00:00

Good luck on your further improvements

soliz_love · 2020-03-26T13:37:28+00:00

Fuck women,you are doing to become healthy for your own sake.

I believe in you.

tisamadworld · 2020-03-26T14:37:32+00:00

Great post, all starts with being honest with yourself. I'm sure you know but become high value for yourself, your family and friends, and for what you can give back to the world. If a good and truly high value woman comes along, with whom you're properly compatible with and you two can work synergistically as a good team, all the better.

Also have you considered fasting? Amazing benefits if you can stand it, whether intermittently or prolonged.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/fasting-benefits

TRPonlySubsBanTRPppl · 2020-03-26T14:54:28+00:00

I'm a low value man, too.

jcardona24 · 2020-03-26T15:34:09+00:00

wow! , i really admire you by the fact you admitted something that is very hard as human beings and that is to accept our own flaws and weaknesses.

I really feel identified with you because i spent a lot of time through my adolescence and early 20's thinking i was a cool guy, but i didn't take care of my own hygiene. i weighed 100 pounds(Lol i know i was skinny AF). and i always blamed it on other people about my own failures.

1 year ago i began to grow a beard, hit the gym and eat properly, and i've realised that people respect me more and i really feel good about myself, i didn't even do it because of external acceptance, but rather self love and self improvement.

2020-03-26T17:51:33+00:00

Never stop improving. Ever.

ruifaf · 2020-03-26T19:58:48+00:00

you are the most important person in your life

take good care of that person

Based_Hootless · 2020-03-26T14:14:55+00:00

Awesome post!

JudgementalChair · 2020-03-26T14:53:46+00:00

It's a lot easier to figure out where to go once you know where you are.

bassheadstang · 2020-03-26T14:56:41+00:00

Great job pal. Keep it up.

Just watch your grains and limit them to a measured serving a day. Avoid the fuck out of sugar. You will withdraw but after a month broccoli will taste sweet to you.

Them two diet changes and your body will return to how it is supposed to be. Eat the fuck out of veggies and healthy fats and meats.

bladeofgrass90 · 2020-03-26T15:17:51+00:00

If you are concerned with weight, you're in the perfect part of the internet to find help. There are quite a few subreddits here that'll surely be helpful.

Before that, are you lazy? If it's a YES, then we have something in common. Are you cheap? If it's a YES, then we have something in common. Do you not like exercise at the moment? If it's a YES, Then we have something again in common.

Are you determined? If there answer is YES then here are a few subbreddits to help you out r/intermittentfasting, r/fasting, r/OMAD. There have been countless videos and articles on the internet of people that have had great success with Intermittent Fasting (IF). I have. Take a look at the before and after progress pics in both r/fasting and r/intermittentfasting.

Visit those subbreddits, reply here or private message me, I'd be happy to help if anyway I can. There's numerous positive benefits of IF; loosing weight is almost like one of the minor benefits but it's the main reason most are attracted to it. I've been doing it almost a year now; it's a lifestyle.

Here's an animated video about Water fasting/ Fasting to get some points across: https://youtu.be/DghrZNUP5vo

Trust me, it's worth the watch.

Adding exercise to the melting pot only expedites the process. Exercise is tough to get into but I like to compare it to taking a shower. At first you don't wanna get into the water but when you do, it's difficult to leave it. It's in NO WAY NECESSARY to loose weight but it gets you to the goal quicker.

Change is difficult but admitting that you need to change is already a step in the right direction.

Side note: I am new to Reddit (was a lurker until recently) so I don't know if linking other subbreddits is fine or not so please let me know anyone..

Red19120 · 2020-03-26T15:48:04+00:00

Don’t stop improving man, go your own way and transform into the high value man you wanna be

rockstarsheep · 2020-03-26T16:01:38+00:00

I would rather ask you to speak to yourself differently; I am a changing man. Value is really yours to determine. Don't internalise the opinions of others. Plants don't grow up to the light of the sun, to spite the darkness of their beginnings as seeds in soil. They are doing it to grow. And so you are growing towards the light of your potential.

You have given yourself credit; so what would condemning yourself, really do?

Well done!

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2020-03-26T16:18:34+00:00

You're off to a great start. Oftentimes, working on our physical/health shortcomings leads to greater things. In fact, a study showed that exercise had a more positive affect on young boys' confidence than receiving high marks in school. I'm sure that has an affect on adults as well.

Don't stop there, though. Being an overall high value person TO YOURSELF means also exercising your brain. Read books that offer positive information on personality, psychology, confidence, and even finance so you can be well rounded. Not get books on how to manipulate people or get rich quick junk. Even if you read 3 books a year, that's a lot more information than you had the year before.

Good luck, man, and congrats on the forward momentum. Stay on that shit!

bambambam10 · 2020-03-26T18:24:23+00:00

Low value man is a term women coined since they size up based on looks, money, etc. The term low value man should not exist in your own vocabulary. there are only two types of men you should think about. There are weak men and strong men. If you are weak, know that you can become strong through hard work and humility. If you are strong, stay humble, remember what it took to become strong to stay strong. Fortify both your physical and mental. You should never put yourself down, and call yourself low value. You are a man that has room to improve, that is all. Value is subjective... who is validating your value? Is it you? Are you saying you are low value because that's how women perceive you? Clinging on to your value as a man, based on someone else's opinion is the worst thing you could do. Learn to reject external validation. You do not need this.

Know that you are accountable for every decision you make for yourself and no one else is doing that for you. If you listen to someone else's suggestions, it is you who is accepting this. If you decide to eat food you want to eat, that's also on you. You make these decisions.

The most important thing you can do for yourself is understand how your own mind works and how you can convince yourself to be what you want to be. When you're chasing your goals, never half ass, always put 100% effort, persist and don't give up when you make mistakes.

Good luck on your journey.

2020-03-26T21:38:54+00:00

A man that works on himself can never be a low value man - anonymous

JRL76182 · 2020-03-26T21:45:52+00:00

Keep up the good work! Look into cycling. It's easy on the knees, and burns a lot of cals. Assuming you're in the UK, there are some beautiful places to ride there. Keep on keepin' on!

AlphaOmegaIXXI · 2020-03-26T13:44:13+00:00

We are all low value to women. It's just easier for some to get ensnared. Never dismiss an advantage, and think of it as a special immunity against life destroying evil. You can become the man you want to be without the burden of alimony, child support and other impediments. If given a choice of having to work off a hundred pounds or suffer for decades from imploding marriage, I'd choose the former. Please don't make an effort to do this to get a woman; out of the frying pan into the fire.

From personal experience: your task is like rolling a giant boulder. It will take a lot of exausting energy to get it rolling and seem futile. Make the effort your goal, not the results. Do this and you'll one day notice that the boulder is rolling under it's own inertia and pulling you along. Health, fitness and personal growth will feel better than anything you've experienced.

jrob081997 · 2020-03-26T15:59:59+00:00

Thanks for this you've made me realise I'm the same

Unfortunately there's no way I'm going to get better

TessaBrooding · 2020-03-26T16:17:51+00:00

Yes! Be proud of your improvements. Keep going. Try looking into intermittent fasting if you haven't already.

avtarius · 2020-03-26T16:34:21+00:00

When using the term "value", you have to understand relative value.

When thots are brainwashed into thinking "they're worth it", "I deserve better", etc. without understanding the real ecosystem, anyone can be a "low value man".

But that's them, their label for anyone they don't choose. Are you really low value ? Or were you tricked into thinking you're low value ?

Some say work on your weaknesses, I'd say focus on your strengths. If you can't find any, you're already on your path to creating some strengths anyway.

Bloodrain_souleater · 2020-03-26T16:34:46+00:00

Welcome to the club.

LonelyBobcat · 2020-03-26T17:03:01+00:00

The thing about men is that low value isn't a judgment of you per se, but a judgment of your current set up. As you know, you can change that. Regardless, I hope you're working to change for reasons other than girls.

Bluejuju543 · 2020-03-26T17:04:41+00:00

Sugar creates the same dopamine spike as cocaine. It is addictive. I think of sugar addiction like smoking, I've seen how tough it is to quite smoking, well sugar is no different. The fact you already lowered your cola intake I think is a win.

Too much sugar and other refined carbs will keep your insulin levels high and make it tough to loose weight. Insulin tells your fat cells to store energy (you want them to release energy) and it also blocks Leptin from working in your brain. Leptin is what makes you feel full and is created by your fat cells. If sugar wasn't screwing up the harmonies as you put weight on you would naturally just start feeling full sooner and eat less.

I started at 340 as well and by following a non strict keto diet and fasting I dropped to 260 in like 6 months. I am currently hanging around 285 but then I do eat too much sugar/refined carbs currently. It's not all about calorie reduction, hormones play a huge factor too (more then just insulin and leptin).

Some good sources are Jason Fung, Robert Lustig, Tim Noakes. You can find books or if you are like me there are youtube videos of presentations and interviews.

Dude I love that fact that you are improving yourself, all the steps like weight loss, better sleep, hygiene and counselling. Keep making steps, keep building your self-worth, it's awesome.

SprinterLyfe · 2020-03-26T22:18:17+00:00

You are so smart for realizing this. But it's only a partial truth, my friend: you are a high value man to God, and to your fellow man. You are loved.

Like you, I am also low value in some ways. To a 22 year old woman, I am not someone she is going to gawk over, but I don't probably want (or need) her anyhow. This helps me to realize I naturally avoid some problems, and it is on me to realize the upside.

HoDollah-Bill · 2020-03-27T02:00:50+00:00

To hell with society.

Stop measuring yourself against society.

Keep making these gains in your health and mind and mindset.

I say this as a 55 years old married dude who never had MGTOW back in the day and am locked into a typical western culture marriage. I am trapped - my cast is set.

Your cast, however, is NOT !

You are free to do what you will, and point your energy into yourself.

Keep going.

Do the best you can with what you got and make your OWN happiness everyday.

Advice from my 96 year old father.

It works :)

Paper-Arrows · 2020-03-26T16:35:01+00:00

👏 and that right there is one of the greatest difference between a man & a woman.

A man acknowledges & owns up to his mishap, mess up's, mistakes and imperfections then creates a plan to self improve, sculpt and correct himself.

A women will take absolutely no accountability & blame men for her weight, her imperfections, her lack of intelligence & career choices with dumbass terms like "male gaze, man-plaining, and wage gap. "

I applaud you sir, cheer you on & celebrate you, "The first step to change is becoming aware of your own bullshit. "

You got this!

ENZOxDV1 · 2020-03-26T17:17:52+00:00

Chicken, beef, fish, rice, oats, protein shakes, vegetables, fruits. All foods you should start eating. Over time you'll eat less of the junk.

Thetrvler · 2020-03-26T17:23:23+00:00

If you’re working at it then you are NOT “low value”. Even if you aren’t working on it, when it’s time for the situation to run it’s course, it will run it’s course and you’ll move on.

piguy31415 · 2020-03-26T17:26:26+00:00

Take care of your teeth brother. When you don't shower your arms don't fall out but the teeth...

Also start watching jordan Peterson videos. He is enormously helpful for men.

maxtorrz · 2020-03-26T17:27:20+00:00

Nah fuck that. Dont label yourself with feminist dipshit rhetoric. You're just a dude.

JackSkell0255 · 2020-03-26T17:35:29+00:00

Samir Bannout... now there’s a name I’ve not heard in a long, long time...

Doesn’t matter if you’re low value or higher value to others, just matters that you are high value TO YOURSELF.

And when your confidence settles in, do not anybody inside enough to negatively change you. Remain centered on who you are, and where you want to go. Some people in you life may go in your direction with you for a while, just make sure you’re reaching your own goals.

rakeshkook · 2020-03-26T18:03:13+00:00

The first achievement in life must always be proper food, good exercise and good sleep. If a man doesn't take care of these, whatever he achieves in life is utterly useless.

These are simple things and yet is very hard for most people. These are routine things that if done well greatly enhance your physique and energy levels which improve your mindset which improves your overall success in life.

Eating a consistent healthy meals properly spaced out and making a promise that you cook your meals as much as everyday till you are habituated to it that you do not want outside food. Cooking is a valuable skill that must be taught to every kid otherwise you will be lazy and start looking for fast junk food that ends up doing more damage to you..

Always making sure having good sleep. Yes. Here needs discipline. You go to sleep and wake up at same time as much as possible everyday,. This also requires discipline.

Always making sure you get to walk and do few strength training exercises and bit of yoga and meditation combined. This also requires bit of self-discipline.

If you can consistently do this everyday, you are already a great achiever in life. Your physique will be manly, perfect and energetic.

Remember you are not low value. Just that you did not have proper direction in life and that is okay. It can always be changed gradually. It is tough but it can be done.

Just as with anything, our minds also should be managed. Most people let their minds road around and stressed and anxious which leads to addictions, illness and other self-destructive habits. One must learn to know what is important and what is not important, what is essential to one's life and what is not essential. Then let your mind work around these principles. Your thoughts also will align with these values. And you will see that your mind will actually start working for you rather than against you. Mind is awesome power. If you think low value, it feeds back on itself and your body and mind will work to make low value through depression and feelings of low self-esteem. Do not worry about what others may perceive you. Rather change how you perceive yourself even if you are fat, you can start seeing yourself more positively rather than negatively.

Instead of society defining you and validating you, rather validate yourself from inside. seek validation and value from inside of you. It helps you keep peace and happiness no matter the outer circumstances.

You need not achieve big things in life to feel better. All you need to do is take care of yourself properly without falling into addictions, self-destructive habits and behaviors. This - self-reliance - is itself a big achievement. It is smaller things that you do each day that make your life meaningful and purposeful. If done well, it adds up and makes you feel great and better about yourself.

batfish55 · 2020-03-26T18:27:38+00:00

"Low value" aside, bro, 300lbs+ is reeeeally unhealthy. Keep on with the weight loss.

Taguroizumo · 2020-03-26T19:04:34+00:00

Self acceptence is the first step, if you want to change you shall. And every new day gives you a chance to win in life.

Those who dare win.

49596979automobile · 2020-03-26T19:13:17+00:00

You are CURRENTLY a low value man.

soothslayer2k · 2020-03-26T20:14:34+00:00

Keep it up, you can become healthy and strong. Check out Snake Diet on YouTube.

7firewire · 2020-03-26T20:22:55+00:00

Next step keep eating the chicken but drink water instead of coke. Commit to one 5min walk a day.

DojoKanojoCho5 · 2020-03-26T21:46:52+00:00

Keep working hard, you got this!

500dollarsinprizes · 2020-03-26T21:46:58+00:00

Value yourself then. Tell the rest they can fuck right off.

Also: seek some connection with those around you.

kriskros18 · 2020-03-26T22:37:02+00:00

LMV?!!!OMG. OMG. It’s downhill from here “scrote”.... What a Loser.

Nah, You’ll do just fine bro. But can’t say the same about your wallet. It will get fat, very fat, But thanks to healthier eating and workout, you will be strong enough to bear it.

goat-head-man · 2020-03-26T23:39:48+00:00

You are not low value; you just are. Good on you for making changes that many do not have the personal wherewithal to implement in a meaningful way. Just do you and keep on keeping on.

chumbot5000 · 2020-03-26T23:42:04+00:00

So im 40 and still a virgin. Like i do think being healthy is good but you got to do things to improve your situation too. For example, My plan is to go over seas and teach English in about a years time. after i get that going i may look into the whole online business thing as well. i believe something like that will at least get me out of the folks basement and who knows maybe i'll lose the vcard too. For now i'm finishing up school and making sure to not get the ebola

chrisdidwht · 2020-03-26T23:53:39+00:00

You got this man. I used to be a loser. Now I make a lot more money. I have more toys. More women are interested in me. I'm in better shape. I enjoy life much more. It might be dark now but there is a light. Don't give up.

toromundo · 2020-03-27T02:21:41+00:00

I don't think anybody is low value! Continue treating yourself with care and love and it will start showing Good luck!

catgirlcc · 2020-03-27T03:29:40+00:00

I am basically the woman version of you: overweight, poor hygiene, and I have trichotillomania. Congrats on those improvements!!!! I’m still trying to work up the will power to embark on my own journey. I hope you get to where you want to be! Good luck!!

timleykis · 2020-03-27T06:17:34+00:00

I see gradual improvement and a fellow man that is happy in himself.

Do it for your self and not some woman.

Stay safe and Peace brother.

mylifeisropefuel · 2020-03-27T11:01:35+00:00

You're not low-value. You have a low sexual-market value. Those are not the same thing.

No person has the right to call another "low-value", that is such a disgusting term and human life doesn't carry value the same way money or objects do.

You're honest. You have a desire to improve your life. I see these as noble traits, you don't sound low "value" to me.

Philosophipster · 2020-03-27T12:21:46+00:00

Good job mate! No need to talk down your progress by comparing to what others define healthy. You are not a statistic. Just keep doing what you’re doing and your progress will be more appetizing to your ambition than sugar laced foods.

Might help to keep a weekly vlog (for yourself mostly), to keep track of your progress and maybe spot some negative thought patterns you have. Kinda like a cheap version of mental health care. Pointless to train the body of you leave your head without a coach :)

DreamDelving · 2020-03-26T14:34:48+00:00

If you need employment try amazon. Here in America they are paying $25 an hour to deliverymen

MrRadDad · 2020-03-26T18:16:53+00:00

Keep working on yourself. You are already aiming in the right direction and that's all that matters!!!!

Essentially you are trying to kick an addiction and you know how bumpy the road can be, so as long as you stay on the path you'll eventually get to your end destination (goal)!

Positive thinking and positive influences, 100%.

nunhgrader · 2020-03-26T18:18:25+00:00

I do not think you are low value. I think everyone has a value to themselves and others. I think you are doing great. Watch Tom Poppa - You're doing great! I mean it. With that being said - we can always do better and I believe you will. We all ebb and flow and trying is part of that tug-of-war in life. I wish you the best and want you to know that you can achieve all that you are trying for.

Raygar21 · 2020-03-26T19:38:10+00:00

You are making solid progress and that is impressive! You are on the first stages of your very own success story. Be sure to take pics along the way. Who knows you might end up with a new career once your reach your goals. There are a ton of folks out there in the exact same situation but who don't have the motivation yet to change. And with this stupid virus, getting healthy just got a whole lot more important.

CarlCarlton · 2020-03-26T22:15:48+00:00

Hang in there buddy. I dropped from 300 to now 180 over the course of 2 years, and still going. Once you get a good grasp of how calories work, it gets a lot easier. In my case, the main problem was literally buying too much food, I would eat it all quickly and then go back to the store a few days later to buy too much again. I was spending like $600 a month on groceries alone, which I now halved. Impose a restricted food budget upon yourself so you don't buy more than you need, and save the rest.

I was addicted to sugary drinks too, so I switched to diet soda. Well, I'm still addicted, but at least it's 0 cal. I can drink 2 liters in a day if I want to and it's still gonna be 0 cal. I always buy a bunch of 12-packs whenever they go on sale. This is the one and only thing I don't limit myself for; helps me cope with the constant hunger pangs. So far so good.

2020-03-27T00:12:48+00:00

Aren't we all.

And, hey, 6 AM is quite early...

mgtow-Dream0 · 2020-03-27T03:07:17+00:00

even if you was rich buddy it would not change society perception of you . any person who is not manipulated into being a cuck beta provider will be a ' low value ' male. So if you are going to improve yourself do it for you not women not society otherwise you are just wasting your time .the whole low value thing has been coined by woman to shame men into compliance, go on the fds reddits you will see it posted all over there . its just shaming language bro. if it take you until your mid 30's to have something then it is what it is dont give a shit for what over people have or what other people think,.

2020-03-27T04:57:16+00:00

A big problem with major weight-loss is you lose alot of strength.

Comprehensive-Candy · 2020-03-27T09:56:29+00:00

Stop measuring your value based on societies and women standards.Society and women don't give an ounce of shit about you so why should you?

Equivalent-Craft · 2020-03-27T11:58:34+00:00

High protein diet with intermittent fasting. Swim and walk...youll b fine my mate👍

DenverDiscountAuto · 2020-03-27T23:46:40+00:00

This is what this sub should be about. Men taking the initiative to improve themselves and their lives and inspiring others to do the same. Instead of whining and complaining that the world isn’t fair, or that you’re single, fucking do something about your situation. Thank you for sharing and making Reddit a better place!

50me80DY · 2020-03-29T11:41:19+00:00

Happy Cake Day

anubhav23 · 2020-04-09T14:51:27+00:00

Good on you man. You control lust you control every other urges. Urges to sleep more, urges to eat more, urges to drink more. I mean it's really hard to control sexual energy but it's worth it. I've been doing the same thing.

robotassistedsuicide · 2020-04-12T11:33:06+00:00

Drink a gallon of water a day also, you’d be surprised how much water your body holds onto. Weight will fall off

nonoriginal85 · 2020-08-04T02:57:56+00:00

Good luck to you my dude, I'm rooting for you

qemist · 2020-03-26T23:03:10+00:00

Why not say slob? It saves two words.

Title	I Am A Low Value Man
Author	DreamDelving
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Comments	175
Date	March 26, 2020 11:37 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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