Why do some red pilled men consider tattoos on women be a red flag?

nnote · 2020-09-21T02:44:46+00:00

It shows they are the type to make rash and poor decisions.

JYoungSocial · 2020-09-21T08:14:10+00:00

Red flags are not about absolutes; they are "statistical indicators".

Look at this way -- In the same way that "Not All Women Are Like That" (NAWALT) means that not all (100%) of women are cheaters and back-stabbers but the MGTOW response is that enough women (80% - 95%) are cheaters and back-stabbers to justify being leary of those crappy odds.

Someone else in this thread correctly pointed out that tattoos are a significant sign of "attention seeking behavior". Any one sign / red flag is not enough to make an informed decision BUUUT enough red flags stacked together in a person are sufficient to make a reasonably accurate assessment of the individual.

What are some other attention-seeking behavior red flags?

Breast implants, dyed hair, bleached hair, numerous piercings, flamboyant dress, riding the CC (having a "high body count"), drug abuse, a history of abuse (giving or receiving), attempted suicide, a criminal history, a significant history of failed relationships. No single thing in that list is a definitive and fool-proof indicator, but stacked together they can be a very powerful tool for you to use to discern future behavior.

Yes, it is absolutely possible that you could find that 1% of women who do not fall into "that category". But, let me ask you three practical questions: Do you want to play those 99%-losing odds? Would you play at a casino where you knew for a fact that the odds of you losing were 99%? Is it worth it to you to expend the time, energy, and effort to find out?

Btw, men have their red flags but, as someone else in this thread pointed out, they are different from women's.

Great question for the thread, BTW.

Dls95405 · 2020-09-21T02:42:00+00:00

It's trashy, most tats are awful anyway. The worst is when they have strings of text tattooed on their bodies, all I see is graffiti. It shouts CC riding party girl, and the older they get the worse it looks.

30203forever · 2020-09-21T02:55:44+00:00

They highly correlate with the mental issues, usage of psychotropic meds, substance abuse, promiscuity, low self esteem/self-respect, STDs & low IQs. And any of those are the major red flags, IMHO..

Nathaniel66 · 2020-09-21T03:38:07+00:00

No, tattoos aren’t. Not really. But placement, style, size are huge indicators of their personality traits.

Beecher-Frank · 2020-09-21T07:19:59+00:00

They are much more common on people with lower intelligence, lower socioeconomic status, single moms, convicts, low class, and generally overall poor decision makers. Now that doesn’t mean all people with tattoos are like that, some are very smart and rich and great people, but on average they’re much more likely to have some of those characteristics. I think it’s pretty easy to observe in real life. None of my friends that I went to engineering school with have tattoos. Practically every inmate or drug dealer or people with low skill/low paying jobs have tattoos.

A lot of people get tattoos to be “unique” or edgy, but the fact that so many people have them makes them the opposite of those things.

redditloginfail · 2020-09-21T11:46:16+00:00

As a kid i thought tattoos were badass and rad. I grew out of that pretty quickly in adulthood.

Seeing middle aged single mom posts on Facebook is telling. Every so often you'll see some "i need another tatto! Whee!" Type of post. In between posts whining about money problems and "inspirational" crap and whatnot. It's sad and cringey and a great reminder of how valuable bachelor life is.

DonMelbourne · 2020-09-21T04:18:36+00:00

Of course it's a red flag. They see tattoos as attractive so when they get older they get them to stave off the inevitable Wall. Haven't you heard the old saying: "The writing is on the Wall"?

codemasonry · 2020-09-21T07:16:54+00:00

Tattoos aren't inherently bad. Just like swastikas aren't inherently bad. But if someone wears a swastika on their sleeve, it's a good indicator that the person is a nazi. And this is based on statistics only - not opinions, not beliefs - but a pure mathematical probability. Only very few non-nazis wear a swastika on their sleeve.

I'm sure most of us have observed that almost all trashy women have tattoos while most "high-quality" women don't. Also the size and amount of tattoos seem to correlate with the trashiness/undesirability of a woman.

When a woman chooses to get a tattoo on her body, it's a conscious or semi-conscious act to publically display her "membership" of the trash culture. As the swastika was chosen as the symbol for nazis, similarly tattoos have grown to symbolize trashiness.

colttaine · 2020-09-21T06:24:32+00:00

FYI

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12042538/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140197105000837

2020-09-21T08:46:23+00:00

It is a big red flag.

She makes poor decisions.
I also see it as a form of self-harm.
Tattoos are very ugly imo.

flyinghorse1 · 2020-09-21T07:32:28+00:00

Well, theres no denying that the majority in the community of right leaning and conservative in their ideals. Tattoos on women go against those conservative ideals so they get a little judgey

REI-Mogul · 2020-09-21T12:46:48+00:00

Self-degradation, short-term thinking, begging for attention, desire to fit in with other low-quality people....the list goes on.

Gunslinger1925 · 2020-09-21T03:16:56+00:00

I have one tat, something I got when I was 20, stupid, and stoned. But I was smart enough to get it in a place that can’t be seen. If anything, I’d get my parent’s initials on my shoulder as a memorial.

Tats on women is tricky. I’m not going to begin to wonder the logic behind it. Though I’ve avoided the ones with the tramp stamps. That screams CC Rider

Nevek_Green · 2020-09-21T08:54:49+00:00

It’s not that it by itself is a red flag. It is that a lot of woman with issues get tattoos to rebel against daddy or mommy. There are enough of these women that a lot of men just nope on out when they see a tatoo.

JunkRigger · 2020-09-21T12:51:54+00:00

Never thought of it as a red flag, I just don't like tattoos on women. It looks tacky and cheap IMO.

2020-09-21T06:07:12+00:00

Amount of tattoos is directly correlated to how much disregard a woman has for her body which is correlated to how much she will let random men do things to that body, in search of acceptance and love.

RatingsOutOfTen · 2020-09-21T12:43:42+00:00

Tattoos are a sign that the woman is impulsive. The same with multiple different hair colors.

They keep the women out of certain jobs or promotions. They cost a lot of money. They are usually done on a whim.

By themselves, they are usually okay in my opinion, but an impulsive woman or a woman who sees something and is immediately afraid of missing out on getting that item, is the kind of woman who will go on a spending binge, let herself get fat, or who will cheat on you because some guy who doesn't have to deal with her regularly will tell her she has a nice smile.

From my experience, women who say "yes" too often and can't take a "no" from a boyfriend are often overweight women who think it is unfair that they are overweight despite doing nothing to stop eating so much. These women also often have facial piercings, tattoos, and weird hair color.

An exception might be if she has some kind of rules or constraints that she places on herself, such as only dying her hair a weird color in October for Halloween, and maybe only getting actual beautiful tattoos on places on her body that don't show.

Pussy and ass tattoos and tramp stamps are to show off to the men that have sex with her and to get a reaction out of the tattoo artist. In fact, even sleeping with a woman who has one of these is probably a bad idea, because you can bet that she was having a lot of sex and thought "Oooh... what quirky, cool thing can I do to stand out more during sex with men..." and which means she had to have had a lot of sex before she got to the point where she thought that sort of thing.

dark_magic_master · 2020-09-21T06:18:05+00:00

She's going her own way with dem tattoos. I don't understand why this level of hypocrisy has any place in MGTOW. Don't like it, don't talk to them. But trashing them is a whole new level.

Go ahead and downvote me for the ultimate satisfaction

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2020-09-21T11:57:40+00:00

Honestly, anyone with a tattoo is a member of the underclass.

Ays_500 · 2020-09-21T04:35:44+00:00

Does having a very small tattoo count too?

Misogynist-youth · 2020-09-21T05:47:25+00:00

Because woman who get tattoo tends to be those "my body my rule" types.

lawdhavmercee · 2020-09-21T06:51:12+00:00

If u look at it from the other angle, women with no ink are angels. Clearly false.

diyi75 · 2020-09-21T11:26:59+00:00

Attention seeking women, will seek attention whether it's good or bad. If social norms dictate tattoos, crazy colored dyed hair, inappropriate clothing as negative, and you are an able minded human being, engaging in such behavior will, that means they know what they're doing. I've seen it in 18 y/o and 45 y/o fm. Imagine for instance: Oprah Winfrey with pink high lighted braids, yoga pants, & tats from neck to asscrack.... Picture Halle Berry playing Cardo B in a BET movie special..Meryl Streep in a halter top with "cummcatcher" down the back. They would never be taken seriously. There is a fine line between sexy & slutty. When you willfully cross that line, that's a big red flag. I personally currently know examples of regular people who fit these exact templates, went to school with two of them.

denver_coder99 · 2020-09-21T03:33:14+00:00

Because tattoos are the acceptable face of self-harm.

Fer1015 · 2020-09-21T08:38:52+00:00

Actually, the historical origin of tattoos is in Ancient Persia. They were a punishment for thieves, so when a thieft ended up caught authorities tatooed their faces so everyone could recognise and avoided/treat them like shit. Also they were used in Ancient Rome to mark slaves, so If a slave scaped from your house soldiers could catch him/her an bring them back to your house so you could punish/kill her/him. The fact that people nowadays get tatooed by theirselves out of fun just proves how stupid they are and their lack of culture.

zyzzguido55 · 2020-09-21T09:10:46+00:00

I have to be in the minority here, I love me some tattoos. Why are you guys cuffing these girls anyways? MGTOW literally starts with the whole “relationships are a waste of time”, just fuck her or be friends with her, don’t commit and DONT SIMP ITS SIMPLE

brockbridges540 · 2020-09-21T13:08:04+00:00

Two key issues. The number of tattoos a person gets reveals destructive psychopathy. Basically, the more tats the more fucked up mentally they are. One tat on a girl is too much for me. Second, women already have problems with impulse control, and will destroy lives, careers, and families on the spur of a moment, based on a passing emotion, and leave others to deal with the consequences. Tattoos are permanent modifications that many older women regret, and that impulsive desicion ends up dictating the clothes they wear, social circles, and life-mates, and career choices.

This goes for men too.

I've boned tatted women, thought they were hot. But I knew there was no way I'd try any give-and-take relationship with them and regarded them as chattel.

jabbercockey · 2020-09-21T14:29:28+00:00

Tattoos on men are as big a red flag to me as the ones on women. Poor impulse control, attention seeking, herd mentality, need to be tribal instead of individualistic and more. I avoid tatted men.

Tony-Blare · 2020-09-21T03:11:29+00:00

From experience, I sometimes wonder if there is a correlation between extent of tattooing and mental health issues such as borderline personality disorder. A caveat is that I could be generalizing from experience.

A_Walt_Whitman · 2020-09-21T03:47:05+00:00

I think it has something to do with poor-decision making abilities. It's a stereotype, but perceptions are reality in this day and age.

AnnualSandwich5 · 2020-09-21T08:50:13+00:00

This is a sickening double standard in these comments. I have tattoos, 6 to be exact, and to say that it's a red flag in such a blanket term is the same exact way as perpetuating exactly as saying "all men are like this because...(insert example)". This is why there's a schism and divide between people. To say it's acceptable for me to get tattoos but not for women is incredibly sexist, it's unbelievable. I may agree with some tenets about red pill and MGTOW but to do exactly what you fight against makes you no better than the people you're attempting to fight against. What's wrong with people decorating their body with art? If it's thought out and planned then yes why not get a tattoo, it's not exclusive to men only to think, and to believe that is idiotic and ignorant. That's saying that only a certain group of people can think a certain way. Men are as bad as women when it comes to decision making, it's a case by case basis, even research doesn't go by those standards

daniellederek · 2020-09-21T10:31:47+00:00

Any heavily tattooed women under 25 I've met has rarely paid for them with earned wages. Either tips from bartending or using their feminine wiles on other ways.

UltimaterializerX · 2020-09-21T10:57:58+00:00

Because it shows bad spending habits, poor impulse control, and a lack of understanding of consequences. A good amount of women loaded with tattoos have also gotten them for free with sex.

There are some women with tats who are alright, but they are the exception.

Hard_one123 · 2020-09-21T13:24:37+00:00

Tattoos don’t correlate to shitty people. Shitty people can have ink or piercings, or not. Tattoos were already taboo and even now people hold similar ideals. They see a AWALT with tattoos and associate it with their behavior.

Are tattoos on men a red flag that they’re a simp, a woman beater, bluepilled etc? No.

Tattoos are just a personal choice that anyone could make. Mental health may make someone prone to body modification but it’s not an absolute.

Don’t rely on someone else to shape your views. GYOW.

2020-09-21T15:15:04+00:00

Lack of long term thinking.

If a 20yo tattoos their body, it will remain when they are 60, 70, 80. If they could meet their 70yo self, would they insist that their 70 year old self also be tattooed with the same tattoo? That is the long term pragmatic value extended over the life.

If they pay no mind to this, they place no care or importance on their future self.

Delifier · 2020-09-21T06:31:52+00:00

Some women get bored, then they do irrational things. Other women gets even more easily bored and do more things to get attention from Tyrone. They do it to get attention, and your attention are most definatly not enough. At least you will have a hard time competing.

2020-09-21T07:17:12+00:00

Can someone explain the concept of the pills and stuff. And are we considered red pill?

huazanim · 2020-09-21T11:11:29+00:00

I've come across a married tradthot (claiming to be church goers) with an eye sore tattoo above their right breast. This same lady had a wrinkly face presumably from going to the tanning salons too much (UV radiation). Thought they were in their 30s but still in their 20s. They wore yoga pants to work one time but did have the decency to put on a long sweatshirt to cover their you know what.

Bottom line, it scream a CC party girl (former or current) and attention whore.

Mindraker · 2020-09-21T13:45:38+00:00

Similarly with men -- number, visibility, gang-related, etc., all make a difference.

A little heart hidden by her sock is one thing.

A gang-related tattoo on her arm, along with a prison-tear on her face and a "tramp stamp" on the small of her back? Big fat NO.

Pyttelillatrollet · 2020-09-21T15:09:52+00:00

I personally don't like tattoos but if others do, it is their bussines. Tastes are subjective. What their tatoos might tell or not about their person i don't care to speculate. I wouldn't dismiss anyone solely for this reason. However, I don't understand why do people in the comments think that women having tatoos it's a different thing from men having tatoos?

SPI-MGTOW · 2020-09-21T17:49:31+00:00

First off, they are manly. Not feminine.

Secondly, chicks w/ piercings and tats usually have all kinds of emotional problems.

Ozzy_Cortes · 2020-09-21T20:05:51+00:00

There are many videos on youtube about this. Tattoos can tell you about how a Women is. For example. A tramp stamp means that she has been getting her back blown out by many guys. So if you see a Women with a tramp stamp, you know that it's a red flag and she has a high body count.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-09-22T02:05:31+00:00

Most animals in nature with colorful displays are typically the most dangerous.

On a more human level, women with more tattoos;

Have low self-esteem

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6347139/

Are probably "easier"

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-020-09729-1

Are more impulsive/short-sighted

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167268119302495

It tends to correlate with having been diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder, engaging in risky and unhealthy behavior.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ijd.14372

So whatever tattooed "queen" has caught your eye is probably not a good bet. 99% of what is said in the manosphere has been validated by science. There's a reason why so many men say these things. They've seen it.

2020-09-22T17:55:02+00:00

Tattoos and piercings are clear expressions of a person to desire sexual activity.

They are the embodiment of what is wrong with the freedoms of sexual expression that women have gained in western societies.

Tattoos and piercings work in very similar ways. People start out with one to increase their perceived attractiveness for easier access to sex and in the case of piercings even to stimulate and enhance the sexual experience. After they successfully obtain said sex, their brain rewards them and this affirmation gets them continually addicted to keep wanting more and more tattoos/piercings.

A single tattoo or piercing may not be the biggest red flag but it is safe to say that the more of either a woman has, the higher her notch count is. This is always true and there are no exceptions.

Why are they red flags though? Isn't it good that they like to have sex? Well it means the woman values sex A LOT. Maybe she is even a sex addict. But this also means on the contrary that what she does not value is her dignity, your (the man's) image or the values of chastity and loyalty because these latter 2 values are always at odds with the sexual freedom of expression. A woman with tattoos will throw you under the bus any chance she gets once a man seems hotter and more promising to fulfill her desires.

If you are okay with a woman having piercings and tattoos, you might as well be fine with her having multiple partners besides you because that's what you'll be getting. Same for the notch count. If you are okay with a woman having slept with 20 or more guys before you because she does not give a single fuck about you...

cz_masterrace · 2020-09-21T03:41:45+00:00

There are many reasons to get them and almost all of them are not complimentary. For men, to fit in, body dysmorphia - basically its because they don't think they are attractive enough as is to attract a mate.

qemist · 2020-09-21T03:59:06+00:00

Why don't you ask them? They have their own sub. Maybe they have noticed their association with certain behaviors, traits and diseases. (One of which is promiscuity, which you'd think TRP would like)

Oppubb0 · 2020-09-21T05:25:46+00:00

I've never understood this either.

I fear we risk a lot as red pilled men if we limit our understanding of women and other men to extrapolations of their physical appearance.

deepspace7 · 2020-09-21T05:52:30+00:00

If they have to cover up a part of themselves that is natural then they are likely to cover up other parts of themselves with makeup, hair dyes, plastic surgery, etc. Essentially, they don’t understand the value of natural beauty and deface their skin permanently.

kolopax1 · 2020-09-21T07:14:33+00:00

The point of a tattoo is to express oneself right? Well why not simply just express themselves? Instead of vocally conveying, they state it with a tattoo. Why might that me? APD, ADHD, Narcissism, Low Self Esteem, severe depression, etc,. See what I mean? It can be many reasons, maybe they feel worthless or don’t have the confidence to speak with a human being. Although a tattoo does look sort of cool, they don’t think about it long term. Have you ever seen a tattoo on a forty year old? It doesn’t look too good. But hey, to each their own.

DeathFromUhBruv · 2020-09-21T07:48:52+00:00

It’s been scientifically proven that tattoos cause cooties to become far more viral and dangerous.

victor_knight · 2020-09-21T08:34:33+00:00

It kind of also depends what tattoo... and where.

dailysushi · 2020-09-21T13:01:35+00:00

Crazy colour hair is a faster red flag. Or a woman that uses excessive levels of make-up or nonsense like botox is never a good sign.

Matits2004 · 2020-09-21T13:46:40+00:00

Jesus christ, you guys are retarded. A tattoo doesn't mean they have mental health issues you absolute troglodytes, its because they think it looks good. Fuck me, this sub got invaded by all of you shitstains from the original MGTOW, now its just as shit, grow the fuck up. What happened to just wanting to be free? Now we're talking about how its trashy and wrong for women to have tattoos and how its from a history of trauma? You're braindead straight up.

HarshTruth69 · 2020-09-21T14:39:47+00:00

When will all the posters realize that there is no such thing as a high quality woman lol

yaboiskinypenis · 2020-09-21T14:44:23+00:00

Honestly this is something so trivial and part of the reason I can understand the heavy criticism of this group.

I’ve got a full arm sleeve, both sides of my chest, my back, my other forearm and my leg all tattooed, but it doesn’t ever play testament to my worth. What you need to look for is the quality of the tattoos. If they’re well done and by a legitimate professional, then they have good taste and just like tattoos. If it’s some ghetto ass garbage piece, run away, because they’re probably trashy and immature.

Tattoos do not inherently have negative connotations and I’m ashamed anyone in here would be naive enough to think that.

hemeaquijedisoui · 2020-09-21T15:21:21+00:00

Not to perpetuate objectivity, but you wouldn't pay full price for a house or car that had graffiti all over it, no?

UnKnownSurviving · 2020-09-21T18:58:58+00:00

Because a lot of time, there’s rumors by red pillers that women who have tattoos have a stds. It’s a rumor I hear in The Red Pill subreddit. Because if that’s true, I’m definitely avoiding it. You should too.

classicliberal1 · 2020-09-21T19:45:30+00:00

There is a very high correlation between tattoos on a woman and a high body count. That tattoo on the small of her back is called a tramp stamp for a reason. The correlation is likely due to the fact that the woman is not forward thinking enough and acts on impulse, i.e. what her hindbrain tells her to do.

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2020-09-21T22:16:20+00:00

I don’t generally prefer women with ink, but I have some acquaintances who have some incredibly high quality detailed art. I still tune in more attentively and am rarely disappointed in the red pills I receive.

pilllogical · 2020-09-23T01:58:54+00:00

To each their own. I don't mind tasteful tattoos on anyone including women. I just hope it means something more than "that guy with the dick bought it for me"

yertelyturtle · 2020-09-23T02:21:30+00:00

So if men have tattoos it's fine, but on women it's trashy. Wow. Misogynist much? What idiots

metrolododo · 2020-09-26T01:53:47+00:00

I found this in my Instagram feed. I thought you would like it.

AntoniusMarcus1 · 2020-09-26T06:29:25+00:00

Because a lot of attractive women, being able to use sex as a coin tend to pay for their tatoos accordingly. I have several friends who are tattoo artists and have confirmed this.

Aussie_Chart_Trader · 2020-09-26T07:39:44+00:00

Yes, but not necessarily.

Tattoos can indicate impulsivity and a lack of foresight (permanently graffiting your body with something that has temporary relevance).

It can indicate poor financial decision-making (if the person concerned can't make rent but buys something they don't need and can't resell, like a tattoo).

If the tattoo is excessive or distasteful it can indicate a high need for attention and external validation. Alternatively, it could represent a rejection of conventional attractiveness norms in an attempt to dissipate unwanted sexual attention that may have been received in childhood.

So they're not bad, but they can be, especially when combined with other red flags like piercings, dyed hair, etc.

2020-09-27T13:25:22+00:00

Here's a question. What positive character traits do tattoos ever indicate? I can't think of any.

That_Reception_945 · 2020-11-16T20:53:36+00:00

It’s not classy. It’s disrespecting ones body, it’s not traditional or universally likable. Part of me never getting a tattoo is that I’m a rule follower and I like being socially acceptable- it’s in short, taboo. Not girl next door take home to grandma

Maevax · 2020-09-21T13:59:18+00:00

god so many people in this thread have never gotten a tattoo and are just talking out of their ass and it shows

M4s4 · 2020-09-21T06:48:14+00:00

Forbidden in Bible -> not a wife material.

-paraZite · 2020-09-21T07:11:52+00:00

Because insecure people feel the urge to categorize other people behaviour that doesnt reside within their standards.

Untill ofc a 10/10 tattooed girl come up to them and show interest; by then all these red flag bullshit turn into dust in a matter of nanoseconds.

You could call the vast majority of these ppl FBGTOW which stands for Frustrated Bigots Going Their Own Way.

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2020-09-21T06:47:59+00:00

I'm a guy with tattoos, and I don't understand the prejudice against tattoos or women with tattoos.

I think it's just that men and women who judge tatts harshly are just very conservative. They don't like tattoos so they equate them to being trashy. Plus, tattoos were historically for "bad" people like biker gang members. Now they've become mainstream but the stigma lives on in conservative people's minds.

Of course, there is also the stereotype of the young woman (or man for that matter) who lives the fast life and gets several tattoos impulsively. People like that are more prone to casual sex. Their appearance is projected onto everyone who looks like them.

ronoda12 · 2020-09-21T05:05:52+00:00

Only tattoo acceptable on women is religious.

Minimum_Rush · 2020-09-21T02:48:04+00:00

Because most can't think for themselves and regurgitate what their manosphere daddy told them.

Altro83 · 2020-09-21T05:08:03+00:00

The level of stupid cunt in here is fucking scary.

Title	Why do some red pilled men consider tattoos on women be a red flag?
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