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[Meta] New rule passed down from admins: No linking to twitter.

sillymod · 2014-04-09T17:09:56+00:00

So apparently links to twitter are now a nono along with links to Facebook. So keep that in mind. Admins will step in and consider links to tweets or twitter...

sillymod

April 9, 2014

58 upvotes

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Title	[Meta] New rule passed down from admins: No linking to twitter.
Author	sillymod
Upvotes	58
Comments	86
Date	April 9, 2014 5:09 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/22mcvs/meta-new-rule-passed-down-from-admins-no-linking-/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/meta-new-rule-passed-down-from-admins-no-linking.1616152 https://theredarchive.com/post/1616152

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Instead of trying to circumvent the rule in creative ways, why not accept that the goal is to avoid people being harassed and just post screenshots with redacted personal information?

No, you see, there's this thing called Google, see: I can find anyone who says anything online with a search of the text regardless of whether it was screen-shotted or not.

So, if the rule is to "avoid people being harassed" then the rules should say either:

Blur all names and text in the screenshot so that the commentary can not be discovered online and linked to the link.
Harassment is not allowed. People who are proven to be harassing others will be banned.

The latter one is acceptable, the former is ridiculous just like the no-linking rules made by websites which are built on linking... See how that works? Unenforceable rules should not be made.

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Of course "blur everything" is ridiculous, that was the point. Are you daft? I was being facetious.

However, not posting any screen-shots is the only way to actually prevent the "don't link" and "don't make it easy to harass someone" behavior the rules are trying to prevent quite ineffectively... Which is my other point.
Enforcing an ineffective rule that does not punish the true offenders is a classic Police State tactic.

However, instead of actually doing something to stop harassment you just want to wash your hands of the issue and cover your ass, I'm saying that's stupid, but whatever, no one can stop your stupid but you. See, what I'm saying is: Harassment is illegal, nitwit. Instead of covering our asses I want folks like that out, because they bring us down in the eyes of the public... Why punish the many for the deeds of the few when LAWS exist which created the capabilities to actually handle online harassment? Have you ever thought that maybe feminists should not do whatever is in their power to confront the Radical misandrists in their ranks, and instead just wash their hands of them by covering their own asses and employing NAFALT? Sorry, I'm not ever going to agree to that line of thinking because that's the opposite stance that MRA's naturally take on such issues, but you don't. Interesting.

So, let me get this straight: If someone wants to harass someone, they won't have the wherewithal to do a fucking google search to discover where the text came from? But they're a harasser... so, they'll do something illegal, harass someone, but only if we don't make it really easy to do it? Have you ever thought that we might be able to teach rapists not to rape? What a dumbass.

However, since harassing is illegal, if a victim of harassment actually is harassed they can call the authorities, who will get the IP addresses and timestamps, cookies, and other relevant information that ISPs are required to keep on file and will no doubt be in a social media websites logs. Thus providing a lot more evidence, and punishment to get the actual harassers gone, rather than just a bunch of random slaps on the wrist.

Compare actual enforcement of the law with: Someone said something stupid, and got harassed and you linked to them so you're banned, regardless of whether or not anyone on Redit actually did anything at all. How long have you thought a Star Chamber would be a nice addition to /r/mensrights?

Now, don't get me wrong, I understand you're towing the admin's line. This is their stupid ass website, they can make whatever moronic rules they want. However that doesn't mean they're not morons for creating these rules, and it doesn't mean the rules will actually be effective at doing anything at all (except for creating excuses to ban folks over speculation, and better censor folks). Hey, have you ever thought that painting the vast majority of a group as guilty for the illegal actions of a few might be wrong-headed feminist-like identity politics? I'm guessing YES.

You see, the argument I've given is the same one that MRA's give when confronted with shit like "men are potential rapists", or "teach men not to rape", or "college star-chambers instead of victims calling the cops", etc. YOU however, are giving the traditional feminist hogwash style answers... which doesn't really seem right to me, since you're a mod here. It's almost like you're not really an MRA at all.... yeah, pretty much.

Cover your ass all you want, but don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, idiot. Just so we're clear. I don't think you're completely stupid, just foolish, wrong, and morally questionable. Perfect reddit admin material, you should apply.

Are you sure you're not an SRS plant? Because every time I see you say shit it just convinces me you are. You sure as fuck seem to think just like one. You've always got this Lizard brained thinking: "he challenged me, he must be wrong, I must defend my bullshit stance without even considering whether the opposing opinion has merit", as if your brain hasn't fully developed. Pull your head from your ass man, and take your position seriously. Have you got critical thinking skills? That could be necessary for rights activism, and mods thereof.

I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but you won't let me: Look, If the admin rules are fucked and you're just doing what you have to do to not get us all banned, I'm totally fine with that. Just fucking say so. However, when you go the extra mile to spit back some brain-damaged filth actually in support of this Orwellian-style non-enforcement example-making non-evidential censorious bullshit, instead of being in favor of letting the existing real laws and actual capable enforcers do their jobs, then it really pisses me off. It also makes me question your motives for applying even more strict rules here than you admit the admins require... because that sounds like something an anti-MRA plant would do in your shoes. Right? The better to silence you with, my dear?

From what I can tell, I really don't think you're leadership material. I'd love to be proven wrong about that, but I'm not holding my breath.

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First define "brigade". It means different things to different people.

Many communities believe that a "brigade" is when people who are of a different ideology to the common one of the subreddit take part in the subreddit by voting and commenting, typically in large quantities, due to cross linking to a different subreddit.

Others view brigading as (often using multiple accounts to) mass downvote people without reading what was said, in an effort to reduce visibility or harm fictitious-internet-point-totals, typically due to cross linking to a different subreddit.

In my view, any subreddit that is public is fair game for voting and participation. But no user should ever mass downvote groups of people, or even mass downvote a single person (click on their profile and downvote everything on their list). Otherwise, participation in a public subreddit is perfectly fine. If SRS wanted to participate here, so long as they followed our rules, that would be allowed, for example.

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