"MRAs are going to exploit this false-accusation story to drum up paranoia about feminism: I'll just preempt their strawman with one of my own." -Amanda Marcotte

jolly_mcfats · 2013-05-02T18:50:09+00:00

Both the Duke lacrosse case and the Tawana Brawley case did not involve consensual sex reported as rape, but were cases where the fake victim made very general claims and an overeager prosecutor pressured her into actually naming an assailant.

Hold on, I'm confused. Do you or do you not want aggressive prosecution of rape cases? When it's a false accusation, it's because the prosecutor was "overeager" so it's really their fault, but when they aren't "overeager" and don't prosecute it's their fault "that justice wasn't done", as we're hearing in the Rehtaeh Parsons case?

I love how no matter what, it's never a woman's fault. Even if she lies to police, it's their fault for believing her, but also their fault if they don't believe her. One or the other, Marcotte, make up your fucking mind.

sunset261 · 2013-05-02T22:04:25+00:00

ookay let's sift through the bullshit here.

right wingers are exploiting this situation to drum up paranoia about feminists

not all MRAs are conservatives. I'm a liberal, I just don't buy into feminism.

The incidents where known liberals actually do something wrong are so few and far between that

conservatives tend to get a little overexcited when something real actually happens oh wow. Obama's a liberal and he's trying to give weapons to Syrian rebels that are allied with Al-Qaeda. I guess liberals are just flawless bastions of moral fortitude standing strong against the evil conservative hordes right?

"which they continually fail to prove are a real problem"

we've proven that they happen. is that not a problem in itself? we don't really have much reliable statistics on how many false rape accusations there have been because if someone is brought to trial and found not guilty, that still isn't classified as a false allegation.

The mere fear of being accused of being a lying slut makes more than half of rape victims decline to report their rapes

nice source there. also, if they didn't report the rape, how do you know they happened?

should you wish to rape someone, you only run a 3% chance of doing time for it.

again. sources are important.

Commonly, you’ll see the more generalized claim that “women DO lie about rape sometimes” thrown around,

the claim that "women DO lie about rape sometimes" is a proven fact. It's indisputable.

as if all lies are this particular one that justifies assuming every rape accuser is a lying slut until she can clear her name with four male witnesses and a video tape.

straw-manning at its finest. NONE of us are advocating assuming that rape victims are liars. We're about establishing the presumption of innocence on both sides. We fight false rape accusations because A. the mere accusation of rape can ruin the defendants life and can be used as leverage against them. and B. because it makes people take the claims of REAL rape victims less seriously.

Indeed, when I ask for proof that it’s common for women to have consensual sex and then phone the police with a rape accusation

you can't PROVE "common" as "common" is a completely subjective term. We don't have any sort of reliable statistics on it because numbers for such a thing are near impossible to get.

anti-feminists never produce for me evidence of a woman doing just that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204712/Woman-falsely-claimed-raped-men-regretted-having-sex-jailed-years.html bam. Took me five seconds on google. that kind of makes the rest of the article go to shit doesn't it?

CrossHook · 2013-05-02T21:33:40+00:00

She even blamed prosecutors for MAKING girls falsely accuse men of rape.

omg It's the Patriarchy! RUN!

seenloitering · 2013-05-02T19:45:58+00:00

Where was that article where Amanda was ridiculing people for taking rape threats seriously because, you know, like, they are so rarely followed by an actual incident, and stuff?

Amanda Marcotte is my favourite spokesperson for Feminism. She's so nuts, sloppy, and drag-down bigoted that she drives away anyone even remotely reasonable. I have a friend whose sole interaction with public Feminism is posting an innocuous comment to Pandagon and Amanda insisting she must be a man for having made it. Seven years later and she still evokes the incident whenever anyone mentions Feminism. If Amanda didn't exist, I would be tempted to invent her.

Jacobtk · 2013-05-02T21:54:05+00:00

I do enjoy how Marcotte claims that no "anti-feminist" can ever present a single example of a woman having consensual sex and then claiming it was rape even though she previously wrote about the Hofstra case in which a woman did exactly what Marcotte wants to see proof of. Her ability to slip in and out of doublethink is astonishing. I doubt she even realizes she is doing it anymore.

jmnzz · 2013-05-02T18:50:50+00:00

I'd call her a zealot. But that's way too much of an understatement.

OuiCrudites · 2013-05-02T20:05:32+00:00

Amanda Marcotte is responsible for getting more people raped. From "rape culture" mythology, to portraying safety tips as victim-blaming, she is responsible for spreading disinformation that will lead to sexual assault.

Mr_Rivers · 2013-05-02T19:55:59+00:00

This is what happens when you get so entrenched in an ideology that your prose is so incredibly one sided and dismissive your argument falls flat on its arse

rusty_chipmunk · 2013-05-02T20:59:44+00:00

when I ask for proof that it’s common for women to have consensual sex and then phone the police with a rape accusation, anti-feminists never produce for me evidence of a woman doing just that.

And then when said evidence is given to her

Edited to add: We have one, but from a source that's so disreputable that I personally refuse to link it.

Someone in the comments added 2 more links to stories of women crying rape after consensual sex and she hasn't replied to it. Sure it might not be really common for it to happen but shit like that does in fact happen, like where a woman cheats and the bf/husband finds out and she cries that she was raped, even if it was really rare there still should be something done about it.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-05-02T23:13:17+00:00

The incidents where known liberals actually do something wrong are so few and far between that conservatives tend to get a little overexcited when something real actually happens

Wait..what?

We’re all pretty aware of the claim being made in this image: That women routinely have consensual sex, and because they wake up and are so ashamed of their supposed sluttiness, decide that the best course of action is to call the police, have everyone accuse them of being a lying slut, be grilled about their entire sexual past, face ostracism from their community, and lose months and some times years to going through the justice system. Instead of, say, just forgetting about it and vowing not to do that again.

What's funny about this accusation is that applying it to "don't be that guy" anti-rape posters must then imply that all men are constantly going around having sex and raping people.

But people like her often discount that accusation as "oh no this only applies to men who rape".

This claim is incredibly useful for rapists and their apologists.

And "don't be that guy" posters are useful for false accusers.

It quite literally is the single most effective and popular defense that rapists use to get away with their crimes

No, a lack of evidence is.

The mere fear of being accused of being a lying slut makes more than half of rape victims decline to report their rapes

No the main reason is they're lead to believe the rapist will not be brought to justice, which raises questions about telling women how unlikely that's going to be, which reduces report rates, cue feedback loop.

Because of this myth, should you wish to rape someone, you only run a 3% chance of doing time for it.

Mostly due to lack of evidence, and that statistic is based on merely comparing accusations regardless of how founded they are to the number of people in jail for rape. Statistical boondoggle of a conclusion.

However, victims who fabricate a sexual assault report may not want anyone to actually be arrested for the fictional crime. Therefore, they may say that they were sexually assaulted by a stranger or an acquaintance who is only vaguely described and not identified by name.

Gosh. I wonder how that distorts rape statistics by survey.

Women who made up rapists in the bushes (or rape threat issuers online) to get attention/sympathy, but didn’t actually accuse anyone.

Which makes it hard to take claims of being rape seriously.

How are we helping anyone by saying "oh her, she's just being silly, but she's not hurting anyone"?

Women who made false accusations against men they didn’t actually have sex with, pretty much always after a prosecutor pushed them into identifying someone to accuse after a period of initial reluctance.

Ah yes, let's justify some other stupid behavior that influences the societal perception of rape to say false accusation isn't a problem. How does that make sense?

Cases where there really was a rape—and often a murder—but because the victim struggled to remember the assailant’s face or because the victim is dead, the wrong person is accused of the crime.

I wasn't aware murder victims were known for false accusations.

You know what else effects the attrition rate for rape? When the accused is dead.

So far, all “evidence” that women have sex, regret it, and accuse their partners of rape has been in one of these three categories, none of which involve women having sex, regretting it, and accusing their partners of rape

She just described exceptions, not all instances.

The fact she writes like this makes me wonder how many of her readers does nothing but skim the article.

The world is vast and weird things happen. But it’s interesting that it’s so incredibly rare that the most devoted believers of this myth that it’s common can’t come up with examples and instead resort to pretending other, irrelevant stories prove this claim

Oh it's rare because there's little evidence?

clears throat, Apply that same reasoning the epidemiology and prosecution of rape, or maybe there's a reporting bias for other things too.

The chance of being falsely accused of rape by a partner is like being struck by lightening, whereas the chance of being raped in your lifetime is closer to about 1 in 5.

Chance of being struck by lightning in one's lifetime is ~1 in 800,000, or .000125%.

Let's for the sake of argument accept the faulty reasoning/statistics where false rape accusations are only 2% of cases and how many women in their lifetime are raped, and use the low amount for false accusations and high amount for being raped

If the chance of being raped in one's lifetime is 1 in 5, that's 20%, right? Ah but only half are reported, and those are 98% of case, which means .2%(1 in 500) of women falsely accuse someone in their lifetime, which is 1600 times that of being struck by lightning.

So even if we believe feminist statistics for these things, you have a 1 in 500 chance of being falsely accused in your lifetime. For perspective, you have a 1 in 325 chance of being killed by a firearm in your lifetime in the US, and a 1 in 1100 chance of dying by fire or smoke.

That or the stats are wrong all over.

rbcrusaders · 2013-05-03T03:31:27+00:00

A true story that just happened isnt a straw man.

MRMRising · 2013-05-02T22:18:44+00:00

Hahaa, AM got her ass kicked in the comments section, priceless.

luxury_banana · 2013-05-03T05:50:41+00:00

Reminder that Amanda Marcotte is one of the lunatics that participated heavily in the the Duke lacrosse false accusation/witch hunt case. Some nerve bringing up that case in her braindead article.

Coinin · 2013-05-02T22:13:03+00:00

I don't even bother when it comes to Marcotte any more. It can be taken for granted that it'll be riddled with false claims, strawmen and just about everything else in between. She's the murphy's law of feminist blogging incarnate.

Bohica69 · 2013-05-02T22:47:31+00:00

Nobody takes this fat, ugly assclown marcotte seriously. She's delusional, a pathological liar and a narcissistic sociopath.

MRMRising · 2013-05-02T21:59:59+00:00

Bad choice and she clearly has problems, but not the first time that someone has used a sockpuppet to drum up sympathy for ~~herself~~<sup>Feminsm</sup> and probably not the last time.

Fixed

Instead of, say, just forgetting about it and vowing not to do that again.

Oh, ok, so if a guy is falsely accused, lock him up and throw away the key. But, if a gal makes a f.r.a. then we should just forget about it. Not gonna happen.

StrangeCategory · 2013-05-03T00:19:06+00:00

Because of this myth, should you wish to rape someone, you only run a 3% chance of doing time for it.

Honest question. Is she trying to get more people raped, or something? It rather reminds me of the constant assertion that all men are born rapists and must be trained out of it, which also seems like it would encourage actual rapists rather than discourage them, if they think everybody is doin' it and it's natural. What kind of rhetoric even is this?

The scary thing is that it's not even that tinfoil-y of a notion. That "one in four" stat has been debunked time and time again. It's like they figure that the best way to reinforce their position is to make sure that statistic actually becomes realized.

djwork · 2013-05-03T01:19:39+00:00

every couple of days we get another femtard defending the undefendable. It's like they woke up one morning a discovered their narrative wasn't the only one it town anymore and they're scrambling to catch up.

Koalachan · 2013-05-03T04:48:45+00:00

I'm just curious if someone can help me, as my memory sometimes gets a little fuzzy, but how many major rape cases have we had in the past decade? Of those, how many were proven false after they made national media headlines? I know there's been a couple.

sskmpd · 2013-05-03T12:09:51+00:00

Has Amande made up her mind yet? If rape and abuse is so horrible, is she going to stop sucking up to Hugo Schwyzer?

loungedmor · 2013-05-03T05:39:53+00:00

She does not mention MRA once but yet she is quoted that she did? I am not fond of you OP.

2013-05-02T20:39:52+00:00

Just another femcunt proving how cultural marxism is behind feminism and every other modern-era ism plaguing good men everywhere.

Title	"MRAs are going to exploit this false-accusation story to drum up paranoia about feminism: I'll just preempt their strawman with one of my own." -Amanda Marcotte
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