My proposal on how Child Support should work

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2021-09-14T20:20:08+00:00

I think that's how it works in Norway. It works great and Norwegians love it. American women don't like it because the US is a capitalist country and US women are making bank off our current laws that they put in place and are fighting to the death to keep unfair.

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TraehNoil · 2021-09-15T02:54:42+00:00

That’s a hell of a lot better than the archaic system we have now. It’s 2021 for Christ sake, it needs to be more modern and more transparent on where the money is going to.

ZebraLionFish · 2021-09-14T22:14:36+00:00

I think that makes sense, however this is still open to abuse, all it would do is push women into going for full custody.

Qdragon1369 · 2021-09-14T21:14:46+00:00

If the custodial parent is living luxuriously they shouldn’t get a fucking dime. That’s the bottom line.

greenhawk63 · 2021-09-15T06:23:50+00:00

There can't really be a blanket rule like this as there would need to be different amounts of money for different ages.

KissMyAsthma-99 · 2021-09-14T20:36:47+00:00

I think 12k is a ridiculous figure, but I like the theory otherwise.

accountcasual · 2021-09-15T03:44:59+00:00

A lot of the people in this thread are treating children as little more than commodities. Whether or not each parent gets equal custody should not automatically be directly proportional to the amount of child support they pay. If someone becomes an abusive parent and loses custody, they shouldn't suddenly be absolved of all financial responsibility. This sounds more like a few guys trying to take their resentment of women out on the children. More money is going to produce more opportunities for a child, it's extremely difficult to argue the contrary. The main issue here is accounting for that money. The person spending the child support should be audited to ensure they are actually spending money on the child. It's not that complex.

2021-09-14T22:42:40+00:00

A very good place to start.

WestAppointment2484 · 2021-09-14T23:58:23+00:00

I get the idea but $500-600 a month would be quite a bit, for low income individuals.

Perspective1958 · 2021-09-15T11:09:07+00:00

Finally, a post that doesn't involve whining about feminists and actually addresses something tangible.

The problem with making your suggestion work would be how to enforce it.

Felarhin · 2021-09-15T00:47:46+00:00

My proposal: if you can't afford to take care of your kids on your own, you shouldn't get custody.

awksomepenguin · 2021-09-14T22:54:07+00:00

Regardless of how it works, child support should come with visitation rights. If you make me pay for the child, I should at least get to see the child.

HolidayWallaby · 2021-09-15T06:48:07+00:00

If it costs 12k and custody isn't equal shouldn't financial contribution stay 50/50? Otherwise you're essentially paying the other one to physically look after the kid?

Secas_1 · 2021-09-14T23:19:47+00:00

12k for a child, mother pays $400 since she has 60% custody, father pays $600 since he has 40% custody)

why should the person that has less custody pay more?

rabatek · 2021-09-15T00:25:03+00:00

"Custody - More or less depending on that" should be reversed

cRedpedh · 2021-09-14T21:59:36+00:00

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Omegatron8 · 2021-09-15T02:59:52+00:00

That sounds fair and reasonable.

Would never fly in the misandrist cesspool that is canaduh. Hope others have better luck

geniice · 2021-09-15T04:26:30+00:00

Well you're first problem is that you assume everyone has $500 a month.

At the other end you hit the problem that from the POV of wider society there is no benefit in limiting spending on a child. If a multi-millionaire can afford private schooling society would rather they did.

Thus your proposal hurts poor men while protecting the rich.

All purchases are documented for the other parent to see

This results in a paperwork issue and doesn't help anyone. Either the parents get on well enough to discuss child rearing spending or they don't. If they do forcing people to mess with a bunch of receipts kills time for no good reason. If they don't well you're just giving people more stuff to fight over.

What do you guys think of my proposal?

Regressive. Far better off making child support track to actual income then funding the IRS well enough that they can investigate suspicious income drops.

toxic_shadow_12 · 2021-09-15T18:11:10+00:00

No this post should have been two words

“Ban it”

Simple

PigTenis · 2021-09-15T10:58:33+00:00

Its pro-equality therefore wont be implemented.

Chitlin-Juice · 2021-09-30T12:02:18+00:00

I truly believe accountcasual is a person shilling for men to pay more or is from a feminist board because many of their arguments make no sense whatsoever.

I have read through your posts in this discussion and it ironically seems like you're turning the kid into a commodity and making it all about money. Are you a plant from a feminist board or a woman? This reeks of gaslighting. In other posts you are saying men are turning the kid into a "commodity" by asking for a fair split of custody of money? Why in the hell should someone who has 50/50 custody give the other party (i.e the woman) more money every month for earning less? Why should he subsidize her laziness and lack of ambition.

Let's be honest, accountcasual's proposal is just screwing over men who pay like 96-97% of child support anyways. If I make $500k a year and she's a barista I should give her like $10k or so a month tax free (which is more than most couples make) so she can spend it "on the kid"? I don't care how it's audited it's going to lead to abuse.

Raising a kid isn't just about money and it also has to do with having active parents. Some people have more time and some people have more money. Why should the person who makes more (the man) be punished while the woman is rewarded? I'm sorry but if you can't "create opportunities" over what it costs for the average amount of childcare in the state then that's nonsense.

Furthermore it's even more stupid because the other parent can spend their own money on their kid the way they want. Why would I want my money going to the other individual to spend? I can take care of my kid and "provide opportunities" without having the woman spend it.

The second is the incredibly stupid comment that by not wanting money from an abuser, you are being spiteful. This is silly beyond belief. I mean if you wish to depend on the person who was beating, raping, or molesting you or your child, that's your choice in life. Most people wouldn't and I know I wouldn't want the money of someone who was a piece of trash to my kids o myself nor would I want to send my money to them (which tends to happen). They should rot in prison first and foremost.

Also, who chose that person to impregnate them? If you choose a person like this and ignore the red flags, then you must take responsibility. Part of being an accountable adult is buckling up and making life better for yourself. I mean blaming the world and mooching off of other people and saying it's for the child is ridiculous. Also how much money do you think you'll get if this abuser is rotting in jail anyways? You say it's not about treating kids "as a commodity" and then go on and state child support should be a "punishment" and basically turn the kid into a ransom note.

You argument about spite or pride is patently absurd. Me not wanting an abuser in my life and supporting my kid is not about spite. It's the women who drag men into court over and over again trying to get more money out of them. It's also the women who threaten to get child support out of the man anyways. These women leave a relationship and cash out on the divorce or break up and then the man is holding the bag. On top of that they use the "silver bullet" defense by saying the man is abusive to deny custody rights and there is no punishment for it. The entire system is built on spite.

I mean this has nothing to do with the interest of the child, it's about the interests of the woman. How many men are truly sitting around waiting for that monthly check from abusive women they were with? It's infinitesimal. We know you just want men to keep getting robbed in the system.

Those posts were infuriating on so many levels. It's especially annoying because I've seen many men who had full custody of the kid also have to pay the woman simply "because they earned more", making it glorified welfare. It's basically incentivizing women to be lazy and have kids for money which is exactly The problem we have with the system.

Just epic level stupid.

Title	My proposal on how Child Support should work
Author	gonewildman5
Upvotes	128
Comments	89
Date	September 14, 2021 7:47 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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