Rape has no gender

ThomassPaine · 2024-06-24T12:35:39+00:00

Most victims we are aware of are women. Most men that are victims keep it to themselves because for various reasons, there isn't anything to really be done about it since sexist biases have shaped our treatment and prejudices regarding rape.

I was raped. Took me about 8 years to figure out I was raped.

Lanky_midget · 2024-06-24T14:57:00+00:00

I once brought up in a debate how I was SA'd as a child, and do you know what the response was? That how it's more likely to happen to a woman, and they were like, "I bet it was a man, right?"

Wheekie · 2024-06-24T11:48:45+00:00

Unfortunately, the penal codes of certain countries (particularly British-based) think otherwise. Only men are to be convicted of rape. Women instead get convicted of sexual assault by penetration.

And it doesn't help that there are people saying things like this that are effectively victim blaming.

BlackKitty814 · 2024-06-24T11:04:43+00:00

Rape has no gender indeed. I know at least 3 guys who were raped as children and by men. I know that women do it too and the worst thing is that many men mock the rape victim of those women like oh how dare you didn't like it, suck it up. I hope one day the victims will step out united against these assholes of humans who mock and raped both men and women.

RacinRandy83x · 2024-06-24T12:51:56+00:00

In some countries, that wouldn’t be considered rape sadly. But people of both genders are terrible people and capable of harm.

PeonSupremeReturns · 2024-06-24T15:06:37+00:00

Women and men rape each other in equal numbers.

CDC NISVS 2010

Check the Centers for Disease Control’s National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey for 2010. Tables 2.1 and 2.2 (pp. 18 and 19) show that the number of women raped in a 12-month period and the number of men forced to penetrate in that same period are virtually identical — 1.27 million vs. 1.267 million.

CDC NISVS 2010

NullableThought · 2024-06-24T15:33:39+00:00

While I agree that most victims are women

Hard disagree. Many men don't even realize what they experienced counts as rape (or would be considered rape if happened to a woman).

I was regularly coerced into having sex by my wife at the time. It took me nearly a decade to realize I was being raped during that relationship. And I still have difficulty admitting to myself that what I experienced counts as rape. And forget about bringing this up in any mixed gender or women centric space, even anonymously. Most people seem to think it's impossible for a woman to coerce a man into sex because men are sex-craved animals that would never turn down a willing woman.

Monarch-01-Elizabeth · 2024-06-24T13:13:34+00:00

I just want to say I'm sorry to all the men who have been rapes I greatly sympathise with you just as you guys have sympathised with me I agree rape has no gender and the purpotraitors can be of either gender women aren't saints who can do no wrong.

I will also say sadly even as a girl I was treated similarly to how you men are treated when I was victimised by my dad basically no one really cared even other women hell they were the worst since they practically gaslit me into thinking I was lying

Acousmetre78 · 2024-06-24T16:56:52+00:00

I've said it before in this sub but I'm tired of being silent. I was molested by a woman as a kid and sexually assaulted as an adult. When I reached out for help people got mad at me.

hasbulla_magomedov · 2024-06-24T22:31:42+00:00

The amount of women that talk condescendingly towards men on the topics of rape and SA is atrocious. Rape isn’t a exclusive to women and it’s disgusting how they downplay and ignore male victims

eli_ashe · 2024-06-24T15:36:06+00:00

indeed. Understand that in almost all places until the past 40 years or so, rape was defined as something that couldn't happen to a man and/or be done by a woman. this is still true in many places around the world.

its not in the capacity of a lot of people to even understand that rape can be done by women, what that looks like, and many of the modes that rape is done by women are simply not construed as such.

so, OP, i wouldn't really be too sure that most victims are women. Women have been raping men unchecked and uncounted for a very long time, so long that most of our laws are written so as to preclude the possibility.

while i ain't saying that it fo sure the case, i suspect that over time, as folks speak out more about their own personal experiences, laws get re-written, and folks come to understand that women raping men, or indeed, women raping anyone is a thing, the difference between the numbers of male and female victims is going to shrink pretty drastically.

just for instance, the manipulation of someone to get them in bed is considered rape by some people, and is certainly doing someone dirty. When a man does it that is. When a woman uses her 'sexual wiles' to get a dude in the sack oft enough for some other reason (to get him to do something she wants him to do), this is actively celebrated as female empowerment.

Both manipulate the other person, sexually use them, and arguably at any rate rapes them. Though i'd caution against labeling everything as sexual assault, rape, or sexual harassment, as noted here those are the 451 percenters, id also recommend folks take a wait and see approach as to who's been sexually abusing whom.

EnvironmentalBuy244 · 2024-06-24T14:47:51+00:00

If you throw in prison rape, it might not even be women who are the majority of rape victims.

No-Feedback7437 · 2024-06-24T19:17:18+00:00

It is very sad how male sexual abuse is treated in the judicial system

Sandwhale123 · 2024-06-24T22:20:06+00:00

Rape is about consent, regardless of gender

yolonaggins · 2024-06-25T00:18:28+00:00

This happened to one of my good friends. He ended up drinking so much he failed out of college. It was horribly sad.

Kir141 · 2024-06-25T00:23:41+00:00

Are most of the victims women? This is a feminist propaganda thesis, forget it.

Eastwood96 · 2024-06-24T14:41:55+00:00

True, it's just too bad much of society doesn't see it that way.

throwaway1231697 · 2024-06-24T20:27:48+00:00

According to the CDC, over the same period there were 1270000 female rape victims, and 1267000 male rape victims. That’s a difference of 0.002%. But only the figure for female rape cases were reported.

Can be found here under “sexual violence”

OpinionatedDad · 2024-06-24T14:36:23+00:00

There is also different levels of rape. Bottom line consent is consent. But if you hear that word. Everyone immediately thinks the worst kind of rape.

In my case, I was raped when I was 23. I said no multiple times, and she kept pushing herself on me. I could have gotten physical and I could have stopped but after she kept pushing her self and taking off her clothes and having her have me touch her. I gave in to get her to stop.

Yes that's rape it was non consensual. However, I did enjoy it. I do not believe I am allowed to call it rape because of how people relate that word. My experience was way lesser than some other victims.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2024-06-24T19:47:30+00:00

"While I agree that most victims are women,"

Not according to the CDC. The rates are virtually equal.

TheRealExodia · 2024-06-24T16:10:38+00:00

Takes me back to this performance by Andrew Bailey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikd0ZYQoDko

Rich_Button5214 · 2024-06-25T00:10:48+00:00

Saturday I was fondled - groped repeatedly chest, and privates by a friend of a friend while leaving a bar- prevented from leaving the elevator (u and I are going back up), kissed and grabbed multiple times, despite saying that I’m not interested and that I don’t want to be touched. Then she hid our car keys in her underwear and told me I needed to come get them…then wouldn’t hand them back unless we kissed…argued for half an hour outside trying to get the keys back. Finally gave into a kiss and she tried sticking her tongue in my mouth - I feel like absolute shit…Strange sensation, I feel like my mind just went blank. i want nothing to do with this person but she just keeps coming and insisting. Now I am the one feeling shitty.

Could I have been more physical? Maybe I should have…but it’s not in my nature. I’m not the roughing up a woman type…

what’s worse?? causing a scene, by physically grabbing some woman’s wrist and physically pushing her or just putting up with it and hoping that she will eventually stop?

FSOexpo · 2024-06-26T04:56:55+00:00

PDF download:

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=84de8b9500964b97bbd5e571c64a5f55d921783c

"Women commit the same sexually aggressive behaviors as men; laws place women’s behaviors below the threshold for rape; many men do not report aggression and may not see themselves as victims; some men suffer symptoms as a result of sexual aggression from women."

https://www.academia.edu/50085965/Sexual_crime_of_women?email_work_card=view-paper

"Female sexual violence is more frequently targeted at boys than girls. Boys are less likely than girls to reveal this type of experience to the outside world."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213405003017

59% of jail inmates surveyed reported experiencing some form of sexual abuse before puberty. 10% of perpetrators were male and 90% were female.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/

“a 2012 study using data from the U. S. Census Bureau’s nationally representative National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators."

https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

Excerpt:

"And now the real surprise: when asked about experiences in the last 12 months, men reported being “made to penetrate”—either by physical force or due to intoxication—at virtually the same rates as women reported rape (both 1.1 percent in 2010, and 1.7 and 1.6 respectively in 2011)."

"In other words, if being made to penetrate someone was counted as rape—and why shouldn’t it be?—then the headlines could have focused on a truly sensational CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women."

PDF download:

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=1d9d346949f1b7b302dd9fb8c479300322e2c5e3

College women and men reported similar rates (approximately 67%) of experiencing “unwanted” sexual intercourse through four strategies — verbal pressure, sexual stimulation, forced seduction, and intoxication.

https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/11/5898

In a Canadian study of sexually exploited boys who were homeless or street-involved, most boys were exploited by women (78%–85%), with 62%–65% were exclusively exploited by women.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Denise-Hines/publication/235439468_Gender_Differences_in_Sexual_Assault_Victimization_Among_College_Students/links/0046351c4a1ce625ce000000/Gender-Differences-in-Sexual-Assault-Victimization-Among-College-Students.pdf?_tp=eyJjb250ZXh0Ijp7ImZpcnN0UGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIiwicGFnZSI6InB1YmxpY2F0aW9uIn19

College men are significantly more likely than women to be assaulted by a woman (men: 73.3% vs. women: 2.3%) and someone who was a member (student, faculty, staff) of the university community (men: 86.7% vs. women: 58.6%). Moreover, men were almost twice as likely to be assaulted by a stranger.

PDF download:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213405003017

One of the most commonly reported female coercion tactics is initiating sex while the partner was intoxicated. In one study, more men than women reported experiencing unwanted intercourse while drinking. In another, 52.4% of women indicated that they had attempted to obtain sex from drunk men.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259601744_Female_Perpetrators_of_child_sexual_abuse_characteristics_of_the_offender_and_victim

In an Irish study, 85% of the female perpetrated sexual abuse victims were male and 15% female. Most victims of female perpetrated abuse never told anyone about the abuse

https://cptsdfoundation.org/2023/02/20/female-sexual-predators-of-children/

Sixty-eight percent of female sex predators in one study chose to abuse their daughters over other females, with 77.8 % showing that they prefer their children. Male children are often abused by men, but the majority are sexually assaulted by female predators, often their own mothers.

https://content.ebscohost.com/cds/retrieve?content=AQICAHjIloLM_J-oCztr2keYdV8f1ibHmDucods679W_YPnffAEbWGat2uY2FsQBNSyygrW0AAAA3TCB2gYJKoZIhvcNAQcGoIHMMIHJAgEAMIHDBgkqhkiG9w0BBwEwHgYJYIZIAWUDBAEuMBEEDF0SQeelzwqfA65xdQIBEICBldjvUXSl73LLSOnGXGgK3IBN8kPNoI50yC_L6px1ZmvA7J6J4hAUrsZZE9D0PuAzuZ7OsC0bodCRUCueicrDH8Z-ZpabxkaeVtc8AtT4dj5o33xD4BncMaP2csUET0q1t-1Uyo0TL90aeH4KgOQQc3k3z26KxqCvmu9T6ji8ezV-0D9cZ_tWk7KuePpuSpuo2DtVaSMR

The percentage of rapes committed by female offenders (53.6%) is higher than that of male offenders (22.9%) described in an earlier report by the same authors.

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https://forge-forward.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Female-perpetrators-and-male-victims-why-they-are-invisible_mjw.pdf

Women are far less likely to be arrested and prosecuted for sexual abuse. When probable cause exists to charge a juvenile with a sex offense, the offender is 46.5 times more likely to be arrested and charged with a crime if he is male than if she is female.

Sensible-advice-101 · 2024-06-24T14:58:15+00:00

I was sexually abused during childhood and adulthood in my family by men and women. (I’m a cisgender gay man). So yeah, predators and criminals can by either gender is violence not to say it as it is, it can be extreme ignorance too.

Anonym2481 · 2024-11-07T00:14:29+00:00

Yes this is 💯. Also, as regards the term "made to penetrate" that seems to be established in some states, or at least mentioned in studies, even this term never sat well with me, because it reduces or takes away from the agency of the female perpetrator and still makes it seem like the man was the actor and the women the one acted upon, the man is essentially seen as the one raping the woman, as said term derives from the definition of rape as an inherently penetrative action. Laws need to call female on male rape for what it is - rape by envelopement, because in this we truly see the woman as the actor and the man the one acted upon.

HansDevX · 2024-06-24T16:35:35+00:00

Sometimes I wish I could step in your places and take away the bad experiences of all you stunning and brave men who had to go through cough* horrible experiences <3

IllustriousBowl4316 · 2024-06-24T17:29:05+00:00

Indeed my estimate is this as a MRA woman.

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-06-24T21:34:45+00:00

I don't know about "gender" since that's fake, but rape definitely has a biological sex. Heterosexual date rape is nothing like homosexual prison rape.

dawszein14 · 2024-06-25T00:18:40+00:00

i feel u but i don't want to ask society to be blind to the disproportionate suffering of women from certain crimes while also asking them to pay more attention to men's disproportionate suffering from other kinds of problems

tlfreddit · 2024-06-24T11:53:10+00:00

You’re telling me old mate was too drunk to be conscious but not too drunk for some chick to get him hard? No way.

I don’t agree with this women raping men phenomena. How could that even work?

I tired having sex with a fat chick once but she was so unattractive to me it was an effort to get it up or stay hard. How on earth could you stay hard if you were in a stressed out situation or incredibly intoxicated in a similar situation?

Intrepid_Onion6183 · 2024-06-24T15:35:43+00:00

I know you will hate me but I don't understand these things. How could she rape him if he didn't even have an erection?

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-06-24T17:01:59+00:00

It was illegal for your friend to drink alcohol at college age. Am I supposed to feel sorry if you become a drug dealer and get shot? It goes with the territory. In fact it's what's supposed to happen. The problem is we don't see it this way for women and girls. Women and girls drink alcohol, illegally, in order to shed responsibility for what they do next. Have sex with guys they just met. You can't even call it victim blaming.

Title	Rape has no gender
Author	LostHoldenCaulfield
Upvotes	548
Comments	118
Date	June 24, 2024 9:49 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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