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[–][deleted] 494 points495 points496 points 7 years ago (61 children) | Copy Link
How is that even a question
[–][deleted] 113 points114 points115 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I get you.The shit is beyond me too!
[–]kragshot 221 points222 points223 points 7 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
We live in a society where sympathy for things that directly affect men are casually disregarded. This is just another symptom of the "disposable male syndrome."
The average man is just another utility for women to use. While any given woman may and usually does care for a given individual male, as a whole, we are just here to serve their purposes as needed. Historically, women equally served a similar purpose for men, within a specific framework, but western women as a whole have found a way out of that service for men but expect men to remain in their role in regards to their needs.
Looking at the reasons for various false accusations, we primarily see two things; malice or utility. We just had the case a few days ago with the "mean girls" that falsely accused that boy of sexual assault and other things, simply because they decided that '*they didn't like him*.' They set out to ruin this boy's life just because he didn't fit in their social framework. If that isn't malicious, then fuck all with the actual definition of the word.
Then we have cases like the ones involving former weather reporter Heidi Jones, Wanetta Gibson, and Biurny Peguro Gonzalez. These three women made false accusations of rape to the public simply because doing so was an effective way to get out of having to deal with the consequences of their fucked up decisions (Jones was chronically tardy at her news station, Gibson was engaging in illicit sexual behavior at her school, and Gonzalez was catching heat from her friends for ditching them to go off with a man that they didn't approve of).
My own case was of a similar situation. My white accuser was involved in infidelity with another African American man. When she realized that her neighbors saw her in a tryst in her driveway with him, she cried "rape" in order to alleviate suspicion of her cheating. I was picked up because I fit the description and was enough of an anomaly in the town where it happened to be considered a probable suspect. The only reason that I was exonerated was because I was being ticketed by a state trooper almost a county and a half away at the same time when the alleged rape happened. But it was simple utility that got me into that mess...she needed a fall guy to hide her cheating from her neighbors and husband.
Shit...the infamous Rosewood FL massacre in 1922 was due to a cheating woman claiming that she was raped by a African American man. According to eyewitness accounts, more than 150 people were killed just because of a woman needing a way out of having been caught up in her own behavior...utility.
I don't hate women...not anymore (it's amazing what five and a half years of intensive therapy and a loving family can do for you). But I do hate what our society does in enabling such behavior in them. Thank whatever primal force that you believe in that not every woman gives into indulging in such irresponsible and heinous activity. But the ones that do and are encouraged into doing so are more than enough for all of us.
[–]goodmod[M] 53 points54 points55 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Could you please make this comment into a post of its own? I would like to make it a sticky.
[–]kragshot 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will do that later today.
[–]CreedZero 33 points34 points35 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That was a very interesting read, hope you're doing better nowadays.
[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I'm better now. I surround myself with decent people (a precious few) and try my best to make a good life out of what is left. But seeing this shit just lights an angry fire in me.
[–]skepticalbob 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The average man is just another utility for women people to use.
Its not limited to women. Powerful men are some of the biggest beneficiaries of male disposability. In fact, it wouldn't exist without them.
[–]fengpi 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Christ, that accusation you were swept up in was outrageous.
[–]MeTheFlunkie 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
We live in a society
[–]societybot 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BOTTOM TEXT
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This was an incredible insight into the mentality behind false accusations. I think you should definately make this into you're own post
[–]Roxxorsmash 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ORJUAN_SC 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sums up what's going on perfectly.
[+]mantrap2 -9 points-8 points-7 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
This is why there was opposition to universal suffrage back in the early 20th century - a lot of men knew this is how women can be.
Not all women thankfully but enough absolutely are.
[–][deleted] 7 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link
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[–]avengingturnip 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
During the Titanic catastrophe only 20% of the men on board survived. Over 74% of the women did. Why do you think that was? Try to sell your sexism and misogyny somewhere else.
[–]IncendiaryBullet3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link
Probably because men were expected to be “heroic” and let the weakest go first. That doesn’t invalidate my point that women were treated as less than men.
[–]avengingturnip 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
If a woman's life was worth more than a man then women were considered to be better than men.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
No, women were considered more delicate and therefore needed stronger men to save them. Ever hear of the term “the fairer sex?” At that time, women were supposed to be delicate, beautiful flowers who didn’t do anything of consequence except support men and make them look good.
You can’t have it both ways - refusing to be a chivalrous, masculine man but also expecting women to be subdued and unwavering in their support of you.
[–]avengingturnip 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
“the fairer sex”
More attractive in every way.
At that time, women were supposed to be delicate, beautiful flowers who didn’t do anything of consequence except support men and make them look good.
Somehow I don't think you accurately described the life of a farmer's wife. Cooking, cleaning, and raising children they bore was a tremendous responsibility and a lot of work.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So the experience of a farmer’s wife is your benchmark for the ideal domestic relationship?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, women were considered more delicate and therefore needed stronger men to save them.
Easily disproved by looking at situations in which death is certain regardless of capability.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What?
[–]IncendiaryBullet-2 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Be chivalrous, but beat your wife. Basically that.
[–]avengingturnip 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
B.S.
[–]c_w_o_o_l_l_y 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You watch too many dramatic movies.
[–]Greg_W_Allan 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
there was opposition to universal suffrage because sexism and misogyny was actually mainstream
The primary opponents of womens' franchise were women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Cite that please.
[–]MerurinTheGreat 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s quite possible, though impossible to prove, that the majority of women were actually against being granted the vote. Gladstone intimated as much in 1892 when he wrote that ‘there is on the part of large numbers of women who have considered the matter for themselves, the most positive objection and strong disapprobation. Is it not clear to every unbiased mind that before forcing on them what they conceive to be a fundamental change in their whole social function, that is to say in their Providential calling, at least it should be ascertained that the womanly mind of the country is… set upon securing it?’ But what we do know is that women constituted the majority of the anti-suffrage movement, at least the rank and file. They made up more than two thirds of the subscribers to the anti-suffragist central office and five out of six subscribers at branch level. They made up, and collected, the half-million signatures against votes for women just before the first world war. This was grassroots stuff.
It’s quite possible, though impossible to prove, that the majority of women were actually against being granted the vote. Gladstone intimated as much in 1892 when he wrote that ‘there is on the part of large numbers of women who have considered the matter for themselves, the most positive objection and strong disapprobation. Is it not clear to every unbiased mind that before forcing on them what they conceive to be a fundamental change in their whole social function, that is to say in their Providential calling, at least it should be ascertained that the womanly mind of the country is… set upon securing it?’
But what we do know is that women constituted the majority of the anti-suffrage movement, at least the rank and file. They made up more than two thirds of the subscribers to the anti-suffragist central office and five out of six subscribers at branch level. They made up, and collected, the half-million signatures against votes for women just before the first world war. This was grassroots stuff.
Aka, we do not know if the majority of women were against suffrage, but we do know that the majority of people against women suffrage, were women.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/05/did-most-women-want-the-vote/
Within↑ are studies on which it is based
I appreciate the information and I’m clearly not an expert, but it seems like the point being made was that suffragism was not misogyny because women made up most of the movement. Doesn’t that seem like a lazy analysis?
[+][deleted] -13 points-12 points-11 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The way you talk about woman is disturbing. They are not aliens who think and act in a way completely foreign to men - they are humans with the same emotions and drives. I understand and appreciate your experience, but to act like this kind of malice is limited to western women is ridiculous - and it also illustrates a common thread is this kind of rhetoric - men who get their image of women from anime.
“[W]estern women as a whole have found a way out of that service for men” What. The. Fuck. That service being sexual pleasure, aesthetic pleasure, child raising, and housework? The fact that you’re trying to continue to force both men and women into these kind of utility boxes is just sad.
It’s clear that you’ve never been in a loving relationship with a non-related woman and likely never will with that mindset.
[–]Greg_W_Allan 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What did Derrick Rose do to you?
Read the name - it’s what I did to Derrick Rose. You think I’m stuck in here with you?
[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First off...this isn't just a thing with Western women. Men have brute physical force and women have guile and wiles (the ability to leverage their breeding potential in order to get men to do things for them). It isn't my fault that you are incapable of stripping your emotional blinders off to see how this works. Men don't leverage their sexuality in order to influence women or society to hurt other women. Only women do that.
This doesn't make women inhuman. It's how they adapted to function in comparison to the adaptations that men evolved. But men and women do not have the same "drives." Biology urges men and women to act in different ways in regards to the reproductive instinct as well as the social behavior leading up to the act of reproduction.
As for the rest...this is the usual rhetoric used to attack the person making the argument rather than countering the argument itself.
But, yes...I am a disturbed individual. The emotional, mental, and physical trauma that I endured as a result of the false rape accusation that was put upon me has left me scarred. But you don't give a damn about my well-being. You were trying to leverage that comment to try and discredit my statement.
Men don’t leverage their sexuality in order to influence women or society to hurt other women? I guess you’ve been ignoring thousands of years of forcible rape. You’ve also been ignoring the fairly common occurrence of younger men pursuing older women for their money. Men use their sexuality against women and they also use it against men. And, as one last example, you’re missing the power dynamics. I have a professional degree and was looking for a job last year - you’d be amazed how many older male colleagues think that their position of power gives them the authority to touch anyone they want in any way they want. If that’s not weaponizing sexuality, I’d love to hear your take. A lot of the things you ascribe to women as a character trait are the only avenues women have been presented in society. Using sex for power? Maybe if they had the right to vote, contract, own property, and be a separate legal existence from their husbands, women wouldn’t have used sex for power - they would have engaged in discourse. Men subjected to the same kind of powerlessness do the same things.
Emotional blinders? No, it’s rather that I look at women as people - not a members of distinct and foreign species. Much of your criticism of women is actually criticism of women that society deems attractive. Attractive men act in very similar ways - flirting with unattractive people for benefits, tearing down their friends because they are insecure, etc. There are clear biological differences, but they are not so stark that it creates some kind of communication and emotional divide.
Maybe the issue is that you need to communicate differently with women. They are put off by being talked to like you’re going through a script in your head. People in general sense insecurity and insincerity and it’s unattractive.
I get your trauma - I’ve been both falsely accused of rape (ruined my last two years of high school) and sexually assaulted by both men and women. But I didn’t respond with “fuck all men/women,” but “fuck people with these kind of mindsets.” Go ahead a lump people together for your convenience. My statement was meant to discredit you - you cannot pretend to be this dispassionate impartial observer when you are cherry picking facts and perspectives to reach a conclusion you arrived at a long time ago - women are naturally flawed/different and that’s why I [you] have a hard time with them.
The irony here - if you understood women as well as you claim you do, why can’t you leverage that into a fruitful relationship? Why would you feel wrong manipulating them if they are so beneath you? Something is wrong when the PhD in modern women can’t even talk to one.
[–]puckstar92 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Idk if that was rhetorical or not, in case it wasn’t then I’m pretty sure the reason is that it could scare real victims into not reporting. I’m sure there are plenty of cases where women were raped but ultimately were not able to prove it in court. Real rape victims are already in a very tough situation when it comes to whether to report or not and a potential punishment would only exacerbate the problem.
For the record, I agree 1000% that something should happen to women who falsely accuse a man of rape or sexual assault. I just don’t know how we could implement a punishment or something without potentially impacting actual victims.
[–]skepticalbob 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll answer this. We can fully investigate claims, which aren't happening and sex crimes doesn't have the resources to do it even if they wanted to. If someone makes a rape accusation, then the accusation should be fully investigated. This will go towards reducing both false accusations and rape of both men and women. The same incentives are at play in both cases. If people know there won't be a full investigation, then they will be incentivized to come forward with true accusations and keep their lies to themselves.
My partner works in sex crimes. So many rapists could be put away if they would just investigate their crimes. False accusations are far less of a problem because most of them aren't even named, many are homeless or otherwise mentally ill, and many are parents falsely accusing on behalf of their children.
[–]puckstar92 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I didn’t know some of that. Thanks for the perspective!
[–]skepticalbob 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No problem. Most people don't. Sex crimes also has the most junior investigators, as most investigators only do it for a year or two and seek "sexier" detective jobs on the force. So the already underfunded investigations are usually poorly executed.
[–]HotDealsInTexas 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk if that was rhetorical or not, in case it wasn’t then I’m pretty sure the reason is that it could scare real victims into not reporting.
I see this argument all the time, and it's disingenuous for two reasons.
First, I have never seen someone arguing for harsher treatment of false rape accusers who does not support them having the same presumption of innocence that they support for men accused of rape. Since the people going: "Prosecuting false accusations will discourage real victims from reporting!" are in my experience the same ones saying "Being accused of rape hardly ever ruins a man's life!"... well, the hypocrisy is clear.
Second, this argument is heavily gender-biased to the point where I'd say it only considers female victims. I can't point to a study because let's be honest, I doubt anyone's ever gotten funding to conduct one on such a narrative-inconvenient topic, but every time there's a thread on AskReddit or something similar about male victims of domestic or sexual abuse, there are numerous stories from men who are afraid to report because of fear of a retaliatory false accusation from their abuser. I have never once seen a Feminist acknowledge the chilling effect that false rape accusations being de facto legal has on victims, especially male victims.
[–]puckstar92 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your response. Just so you know I am not in the camp that says rape accusations hardly ever ruin a mans life. There are numerous cases of men being kicked out of school without due process and things of that nature as a result of false accusations. Then there is the issue that their name is never cleared with the same conviction that it is besmirched. I’m aware that the system is very fucked up.
Also I get the fear surrounding reporting for men. I was sexually assaulted by an ex girlfriend. It involved physical violence. I didn’t want to go forward for a number of reasons including the fact that I felt I would be laughed at by the police officer.
You make some good points and I appreciate your input!
[–]c_w_o_o_l_l_y -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
All they need is plausible deniability to not go to jail on a false accusation. If a sexual assault actually happened, it won't be obvious that she's lying, and she won't go to jail. Easy squeezy.
[–]puckstar92 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I feel like it’s not always as clear-cut as that.
[–]c_w_o_o_l_l_y 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They need to prove that you made shit up to send you to jail. If there just wasn't enough evidence, you'll get off. Show me a time where that wasn't the case. I'll wait.
[–]puckstar92 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I can’t show you any cases because we are discussing what would happen if a new system was implemented.
[–]c_w_o_o_l_l_y 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Okay, let's look at it like this: For someone to go to jail, they need to prove beyond all doubt that they've committed a crime. If there's any reasonable doubt that it could have happened, she would be fine. Especially in this culture that already caters to women anyway.
[–]puckstar92 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don’t think it’s always the case that things are proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Especially in he said she said cases of sexual assault/ rape. From what I’ve seen it adversely impacts men more than women.. Also I appreciate you having a civil discussion with me about this! People can get contentious on here and it’s nice to run into folks who can get their views across without talking down or anything.
Okay, I'll give you that there are times where people got thrown in jail when there was reasonable doubt. I mean, that's the whole basis for Making a Murderer, right? But can you honestly see that ever happening to a woman that is claiming rape? Throughout all of human history, we've always protected women first. That isn't going to change anytime soon.
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[–]mantrap2 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's:
[–]Thonolan 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And yet they can still fuck up your life. :/
[–]vwolf800 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Literary the first thought I had after reading it.
[–]AnotherDAM 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well I for one disagree.
They should go to prison.
[–]GrinninGremlin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They were trying to decide if it should be only jail or if some form of torture would be more appropriate.
[–]TheAsianJames 29 points30 points31 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It for sure ruins peoples lives.
When I was in seventh grade a girl on the bus accused me of touching her private parts. I didn’t even know her or sit next to her. I’m banned from school transportation for the next 3 years.
As a gay guy it really pisses me off.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As another gay guy falsely accused I feel ya.
[–]Remerez 122 points123 points124 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
There is the quote thats running around the internet I am going to paraphrase because I am lazy
If I wouldn't treat you poorly because of what you look like, why do you expect me to treat you better because of what you look like?
[–]DirtyBoyzzz 53 points54 points55 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s a good quote but I don’t see how it is relevant
[–]Remerez 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Asking if women should go to jail for false accusation is implying the question should women receive different treatment from the law. the quote kinda popped into my mind after thinking of that.
[–]MerurinTheGreat -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They won't receive different treatment (I hope), because when men falsely accuse someone of raping them, they'll then also go to jail. What may happen (as is the case with most jail sentences) is that women get shorter jail time than men for the same offense.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m not sure I understand how this quote is relevant
[–][deleted] 148 points149 points150 points 7 years ago* (34 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it really ruins lives. I was falsely accused of rape when i was a teenager .I was treated like an animal and then came the trial. I was found not guilty after two days of testimony. She got 6 months for perjury. I was exonerated but was already sentenced to life because even though i was found not guilty i had been accused which for most nowadays is automatic guilt. I think they should be criminally and civilly liable
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Wait, so did you go to jail?
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah for 6 months awaiting trial
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Aw man I feel so sorry for you bro
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate the sentiment brother. I had to move twice, my mom got harassed at work, they found out where i went to school when i moved and harassed me. It was a horror show. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy
[–]shirvani28 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sorry that happened to you. I hope things are better now and I wish you the best going forward. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thank you for the kind response
[–]redrumze 35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Worse than jail. He was given a life sentence. His reputation is ruined for ever because a women decided to out do the rest.
Trust all women though.
[–]Catbrainsloveart 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Clearly you’ve never been to jail.
[–]redrumze 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You’re correct - I would’ve went to the drunk tank on a New Years party but instead woke up in the hospital. I don’t know if its worse though... I think I could have survived in the drunk tank and not need to pay stupid tax I ended up paying in bills
🙃🙃🙃
[–]SOwED 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I was quite drunk with some friends at a bar. Cops showed up and said everybody out (I later found the bar had let in too many people for the fire code) so I went out to the sidewalk to wait for my friends. I was arrested almost instantly as I set foot on the sidewalk.
I went to jail for 14 hours, was locked in a cell with many other people, multiple of whom were busy bragging/justifying their crimes of beating their wives/girlfriends.
I wound up charged with a misdemeanor and they told me I needed to pay a fine of $1400 or pay $3000 and they would lower it to an infraction.
All this to say, the fucking hospital is better than jail you loon.
[–]redrumze 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don’t think the drunk tank is there to charge you.
You did something else, I did throw up in a cop car which is considered assault but I was not charged for it.
Maybe you’re just unlucky and I would’ve been fine. Your anecdote story is just unfortunate, shame It happened.
[–]SOwED 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was charged with public intoxication. I didn't do anything else. It's a college town and the cops arrest drunk kids as a revenue stream.
Drunk tank absolutely comes with a charge, how can they arrest you and put you in jail if no semblance of a crime is being committed. The DA often throws out charges in these cases, but that doesn't mean charges aren't brought.
[–]redrumze 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know the circumstances for charges. I assaulted the police technically but nothing happened of me. I am thankful that I only had a 1400 hospital bill rather than a misdemeanor and a fine for that much.
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[–]Sylvlet 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The accused are (usually) held in jail before seeing a judge, so they might be talking about that.
[–]mcclin 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sentenced for life? Considering 99% of your posts are bait comments on TheDonald I'm saying this is a fake story
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah when you're accused pf something like this when you're found not guilty it never goes away. And thanks for trolling my comments for political beliefs which have nothing to do with this subject. Classy
[–]mcclin 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Context gives a lot of insight. Sucks that this happened to you. I totally agree false accusations should be criminally or at least civically punished.
Your comment history is relevant because every time a rape comes into politics, there are is a flood of posts like the OPs to create a impression that many rape accusations are false. This is the exception not the norm. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/08/the_enliven_project_s_false_rape_accusations_infographic_great_intentions.html
[–]skepticalbob 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Can you tell us more about this?
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
She was 17 and i was 15. We were having sex and her mother walked in on us. She told me to leave and i left. She told her mom i raped her. I was arrested 30 minutes later while on my way home. I was held at gunpoint, tackled, cuffed, and shoved in a police cruiser. They locked me in a juvenile facility for 6 months before my trial began. They reviewed all evidence, my testimony, hers, the LEO official's testimony as well as the rape kit test(which is the most humiliating test ever) and found me not guilty for lack of evidence and found that in fact that her testimony was not credible enough for her to avoid a 6 month sentence for perjury. In my opinion she deserved more. My mother still lives in that town and when i visit her and run into people i know im always wondering if they know which is fucking mortifying
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This whole ordeal is fucked up. As a survivor of being falsely accused of rape i have to say that this hits me where it hurts. I was 15 and my girlfriend was 17. Her mother caught us having sex (she was on top when she walked in). Her mother told me to leave. About 30 minutes later im arrested by police after having guns drawn on me. I spent 3 months in jail before being released on house arrest for 11 months. I was 17.5 before the trial began. It took one day....they found me not guilty. I professed my innocence from day one and was treated like an animal. She served 6 months for perjury which i feel wasn't enough. Ive never told this story but i feel like in light of recent events it needed to be shared. Thanks pedes
Looks like your story is ever evolving. This was 3 weeks ago.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah i did six months before trial for probation violation. I liked to smoke weed and got popped for a piss test as per a condition of my release. Two days of testimony and it took ONE DAY of deliberation to find me not guilty. The reasoning it took so long for them to bring me to trial was that were debating on whether to charge me as an adult. Again, classy of you
[–]skepticalbob 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That sounds terrible. Were they well-connected? Was this a race thing?
Who performed a rape kit on the suspect? That's really unusual.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The sheriff perform the rape kit on me and yes they were well connected. Her father was life long friends with the sherriff at that time
[–]skepticalbob 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not quite a rape kit, but I get your point. Now I’m wondering why they would collect that evidence unless you told them you didn’t have any sexual contact. Sounds like smarmy small town bullshit to me. Surprised the girl was even prosecuted, given her family’s connections.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It is a very small town. They collected it from me to prove i had sexual contact and to enter it into the state database. I never argued we didn't have sex but i didn't do what i was accused of. The sherriff looked at me and said "you're gonna get twenty years for this". She was prosecuted because a couple of her friends stepped forward and testified that she had told them we had sex and froze up when i left after her mom walked in and caught her on top of me. My lawyers wanted 12 months but the judge only gave her six. That was justice in the late 90's. If thats what you call it
[–]mynameisstacey 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What kind of rape kit is done on the suspect? Genuinely curious. I thought rape kits were only done on victims.
[–]skepticalbob 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are. He’s describing evidence collection, which is somewhat different, despite many similarities. Rape kits are performed by medical personnel.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The take hair samples from all over your body (scalp,face,eyebrows,genitals, and armpits.) 15 from each area pulled out with a black comb. They the swab your mouth and genitals. The sherriff had me pull my hairs out and he swabbed my mouth and genitals
[–]bjv2001 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read his explanation of this, he literally explains this for someone pointing this out
[–]Killerbeth 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In Germany you can go for jail for that it's literally called "Rufmord" = murdering reputation.
[–]Ertzuka 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job germany!
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lying to law enforcement is a crime in itself called obstruction of justice, so...
[–]goodmod[M] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Although this is a good post, its title does not say enough about its subject. This forces people to click and read before they can decide whether they are interested. It also makes searching impossible.
If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable.
So please don't do it in future. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.
When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then check if there are any words you can cut out without losing any important information.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you can prove that it was deliberately and maliciously done yes.
[–]-Rider- 36 points37 points38 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It should be a possibility, but it would need to be exercised with caution. As the fear of being subjected to this penalty due to being unable to prove evidence might result in actual rapes not being reported. A better measure would be slightly more lenient reparation, such as prison time only being the punishment for particularly malicious cases. Also a anonymity system regarding the accused would at least help some of the issues a false accusation may bring to a victim, such as it being illegal to suspend or terminate the contracts of workers who are accused. As well as the accuser and others involved signing NDAs so that the fact that the accused is who he is isn't public knowledge. It should be "possible" to go to prison for false accusations, not mandatory.
[–]functionalsociopathy 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I would say treat it with the same burden of proof that the initial accusation needed: probable cause for an arrest, beyond a reasonable doubt for a conviction, and an identical sentence to what the accused would have received. The law would be stacked in the accuser's favor otherwise, and the law is meant to be unbiased in our system.
Also, making it illegal to fire someone over an accusation wouldn't work. Employers will just use the justification that the position has been eliminated at the company, it's how they get rid of service members that are deployed or on assignment.
[–]skepticalbob 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Proving claims beyond a reasonable doubt isn't stacked against the accused.
[–]functionalsociopathy -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is if the same standard isn't used for accusers
[–]skepticalbob 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is.
[–]_Gnas_ 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think we should make a distinction between cases where the accuser fails to prove the accused's guilt and cases where the accused manages to prove their innocence. Only in the latter case should the accuser be legally punished as it is evident that they are telling malicious lies.
[–]NolanHarlow 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Uhhh, no. They shouldn't go to jail....
They should go to Prison. And stay for much longer.
[+][deleted] -19 points-18 points-17 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Nolan, jail and prison is the same shit bro
[–]HOB_I_ROKZ 21 points22 points23 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's actually not. Jail is for serving short sentences and awaiting trial. Prison is much stricter and for serving long sentences after conviction. Educate yourself bro.
[–]NolanHarlow 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It for sure is not.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Ok my bad bro. Since english is not my native language, I searched prison and jail on google image to see if there’s a difference and the same pictures appeared. So i just assumed it was the same thing.
[–]NolanHarlow 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No worries. As the guy above said, jail is for shorter terms and awaiting trial. It's not a picnic, but when you think of genuinely horrible shit that goes down behind bars, that's a prison you're thinking of. And that's where these false accusers belong.
[–]Venomrod 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
" Since english is not my native language, I searched prison and jail on google image to see if there’s a difference and the same pictures appeared." So I decided that I was confident enough to tell everyone in English how wrong they are in their native languages.
Ok so first of all, thanks for the copy paste of my comment, it was really useful. And when tf did I tell EVERYONE how wrong they are? And what the fuck tells you its their native languages? And how the fuck do you know what my intention was to write my comment to say i was confident. You’re assuming so many things at the same time it hurts.
[–]Venomrod 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Freaky isn't it? Funny how that works
[–]Glitchy_Shadow 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chill lol. Things can go fine without going that far
[–]Not_Just_Any_Lurker 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Prison is for those going beyond two year. Jail is generally short term. Those awaiting trial, or for drinks and such.
Prison is for felonies. Lifers, death row.
[+]Im_Nihilistic_Genius -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Incel.
[–]NolanHarlow 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't make any sense. Do you know what that word means?
[–]Zafriti4 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
How do you show proof of it being a lie versus not being able to prove that it happened in a court of law?
[–]cringe_master_mike 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would assume there would be a second trial of the accuser where they'd have to prove she did so with malicious intent.
[–]RPDunkleBomb 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
BuT tHaT wOuLD kEeP ReAl vIcTims fRom CoMiNg FoRwArD
[+]Im_Nihilistic_Genius -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It does. What if you got raped, but could not prove it 100%. Would you risk going to jail? This sub is just full of incels.
[–]wrenchinthecogs15 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
You should realize that it is a two-way street when this sub attempts to advocate due-process apply to rape cases right? Of course we would advocate it apply for the reverse.
There should be no punishment for a woman who was raped and couldn't prove that the accused had done it.
However, if there is clearly evidence they ARE falsely accusing, THEN there should be punishment.
But that's okay, we know you won't listen to reason and continue to label us as losers, misogynists and incels in order to paint us as evil so that you can "justifiably" disregard our talking points.
[–]VBassmeister 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As long as there is due process to prove the woman was intentionally lying then that's fine. Though I think it already qualifies as slander and you can be made to make reparations.
[–]RPDunkleBomb 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In theory, yes. In practice, almost never happens. They get away with it, their names are protected, and they get called "brave" and "strong" even for making the shit up.
Makes me sick.
[–]VBassmeister 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's awful that people take advantage of the system, for sure. I think the argument is that it's more important to work towards protecting the physical protection of potential sexual assault victims before the reputation of the falsely accused.
Ideally the legal system doesn't punish anyone unless there is irrefutable proof that they committed a crime, but most of the damage of a false accusation is not done by the legal system.
It's complicated, I'm undecided. I wish fewer people were assholes.
[–]RPDunkleBomb 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny how no one goes around falsely accusing people of murder out of spite, and coincidentally the penalty for malicious prosecution in a murder case is extremely severe.
We hold these crimes on similar levels of severity legally but shrug when someone makes false accusations with proven malicious intent. If you don't see anything wrong with that, you're part of the problem.
I've never personally been falsely accused but my best friend in high school had, and it fucking ruined his reputation on a level you wouldn't believe. His tires got slashed, he had death threats made against him, and he almost moved schools before finally the bitch admitted she was lying to save face. You know where she belongs? A fucking prison cell, with all of the other sexual predators.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
There should be a rule like if you falsely accuse someone of something then you get (1/n)th the time/punishment they would have done/gotten if they were infact the culprits.
[–]EvilCurryGif 37 points38 points39 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
1:1 play stupid games win stupid prizes
[–]LET-7 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that just makes the game 'who can buy the police first'?
[–]ClunkEighty3 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's called perjury
[+]Rolten -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It feels right, but I don't think it should be. It just doesn't make sense that the act of falsely accusing someone is just as bad as rape. That'd be a weird coincidence, right?
It makes sense in a 'an eye for an eye' sort of way, but they're different crimes and should be treated as such.
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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
False rape accusations are as bad or worse than rape. A false rape allegation is like being raped over and over again for as long as the lie is perpetrated.
Woooooow lol
[–]Rolten 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A false rape allegation is like being raped over and over again for as long as the lie is perpetrated.
So let's choose between being falsely accused of rape, or being raped continuously.
Oh boy this is a toughie.
Let's for one moment agree that it is not as bad as rape.I said (1/n)th, meaning if someone guilty of rape gets 10 years,the person falsely accusing should get atleast 2-3 years.Obviously this is my opnion.
Well yeah, they should definitely get some fraction. Going for 1:1 by default just seems a bit weird.
[–]sniffing_dog 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a despicable act. Like killing a person but refusing to let them die. Torturous. Women should experience the same feeling, but still with the promise of returning to their old life when they get out... :/
Yes
[–]MarinTaranu 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course not. They should go to state penitentiary, where all the felons go.
[–]chambertlo 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is this even a conversation that needs to be had? Women who lie about rape need to be in a registry similar to the sex offenders registry, and publicly shamed.
[–]Zellnerissuper 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If there is no consequence there is no motivation not to it again nor for other women to deploy it as a weapon.
[–]Nude-eh 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is no thought needed here. Making false accusations knowingly is a crime.
[–]njullpointer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you know how people can get put into jail for decades over lies? Yeah, that's why women who lie about rape should go to jail, because it also erodes faith in the justice system as well as in women who really have been raped.
[–]Uraneum 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Should a person go to jail for fabricating and then framing a crime?" HMMM
[–]maxcorrice 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People constantly bring up the argument of “it’ll discourage real victims from coming out” but all it would do is encourage it, if our court system worked like it should neither would be jailed in a non conclusive case, but if people who lie are punished those who tell the truth will be believed more
[–]themolestedsliver 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Still remember when at my first boy girl party as a highschool kid and i was awkward as fuck to this girl i had a crush on who i knew since we shared a school bus. Anyway i was reals awkward with her but nothing a "ok i wont be around this kid" wouldn't have solved but she thought it was funny to spray me with shower cream and run in the bathroom. I got up from pretending to fall over and then took a handful and wiped it on the small of her back (i could feel her spine). This lead her to give me a dirty look and walking to the other room to i assumed allow me to clean up. I go in the next room to hear the party is apparently winding down and that i could feel tension in the air but didn't know what it was.
The next day at school i hear from friends that she went around telling people i grabbed her ass at the party when i surely did not (a straight boy in the throws of puberty touching his crush's ass wouldn't give me a boner? come on).
Even though i faced no legal consequences i have issues with girls and women as a result and paranoid as fuck i am going to be accused of something.
We shouldn't immediately doubt accusations but immediately accepting them and bullshit like "girls dont lie about rape" is just as bad.
[–]-manatease 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think a new laws are necessary, not to prosecute false accusers (because that should be happening in any case), but for this form of social terrorism in general.
Think about it, girls bullying other girls (and sometimes boys) usually involves a form of social terrorism where rumours and manipulation are employed in an attempt to ruin the victim's life. That's a lot worse than some physical bullying. Not all of physical bullying of course, yet one is an indisputable crime and one is essentially a civil matter... something else/other and somehow not as serious (?).
The problem I see is when this behaviour is confirmed that nothing tends to happen, either because the girls are too young, because it "might prevent other victims coming forward" or any other excuse depending on context. It's about time that social terrorism of this nature is taken more seriously as the destructive force it is, but it's completely out of line with feminist thinking that men are to blame for everything.
[–]AllieFalcon07 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, if they KNOW its fake, there is a crime called "Falsifying a police report" not that we would ever do it with Trump around but Perjury is also a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury
[–]mynameisstacey 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How do you distinguish between false accusations and accusations that could be true, but just aren’t probable?
Sadly, even rapists who are found guilty often serve very little or no prison time at all. That’s my other concern. We have people who were found guilty beyond reasonable doubt walking away with nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Aren’t they arguably a bigger danger to society than false accusers?
[–]facadepapergirl 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not an either or issue, though. An even hand and heavy scrutiny should fall on all people involved. Accuser and accused. An objective hand.
If malicious intent can be proven as in the case of the 5 pieces of shit that framed and tormented that boy that's how you distinguish. Not everyone is an idiot like feminist think they are. You use the same methods and procedures to investigate both the accused and the accuser. You don't just believe either one. You seek the truth.
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[–]bunnite 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Focus on one thing, get it done, move onto the next. I think as a group we’ve decided that this is a major step we need to take to reach equality.
It's a popular opinion that women should go to jail for falsely accusing men of rape. It harms both men and real victims of rape. Men by ruining lives and real victims by making their real issues less valid due to false rape accusers.
[–]Mantequilla_Stotch 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They should be charged with kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment and possibly attempted murder (due to what would happen in prison if you are found guilty while being innocent..) . And also have to pay up for damages to the victim (the person they lie about)
[–]Aerofan2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
How are you supposed to know if it’s false or not
[–]Darthwilhelm 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps a second trial.
[–]Aerofan2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah because a trial has never been wrong before
[–]Darthwilhelm 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So why have trials at all? As it stands trials and investigations are the only way to prove guilt, no they aren’t perfect. If you have a better way then say it.
[–]Aerofan2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you guys don’t mind that you could wrongly convict a person who was just raped, it sounds like Saudi Arabia up in here. And with how well Trump treats them, that makes sense.
[–]Darthwilhelm 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was acknowledging the imperfections of a system not endorsing them, where did you get that idea from?
[–]Custodian_Carl 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t understand, it’s not like the woman raped anyone /s
[–]lolz_123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought everyone agrees with this? I sure do.
[–]HardKase[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On one hand yes. On the other hand we want them to admit it and get the guys out of jail asap.
[–]nonamefounder 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everyone should go to jail for that shit.
Dumbass question from dumbass people
[–]eonus01 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rape accusations wouldn't even be a problem if the court system complied to the idea of innocent before guilty. Because then, none of these fake accusations would ever be proven and court would laugh at their lack of evidence.
[–]actualsize123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
maybe not for a long time but they should be punished and it should be put on their permanent record. should also have to serve community service hours at a men's shelter.
[–]Sklushi 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
They should go for life
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[–]Sklushi 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They are trying to ruin someone's life. So they should have their life ruined
[–]IncendiaryBullet1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
5-10 years in prison is enough of a threat to scare off anyone trying to get someone in trouble for something they didn’t do. Plus giving them life in prison is an exaggeration and a waste of tax dollars.
In addition, charging false accusations as a felony would also hurt them socially and economically in the long run.
[–]Sklushi 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
5-10 years is nothing compared to ruining someone's life.
[–]IncendiaryBullet2 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
For fuck’s sake. Ever been to prison?
Yeah, 5-10 years is quite a lot of time. Plus that’s a nice stain on your criminal record.
[–]Sklushi 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not a nice enough stain
[–]Aerofan2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being accused of rape ruins your life, just like the president and supreme court justice
[+]juliebear1956 -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
There was a horrible incident. A 15 year old was raped in her bedroom. She did not react as those around her thought she should. So her foster mother told the police officer dealing with her case she thought the girl was lying. The police officer bullied until she said she had made it up. Then she was forced out of her foster home because they thought she might claim her father foster was an abuser. No matter how hard she tried she could not get anyone to believe her she was told she was just attention seeking. She was forced to make a public apology Forced out onto the streets she lost everything. Even her best friend set up a FB page telling everyone she was a lying slut. She was charged with making a false rape claim and was given a jail sentence for 6 months. Fast forward two years. A serial rapist was caught. In his house were photographs of very single victim he had raped. This young girl was one of them. What is worse the rape in the bedroom was not the first. She was raped when she was 9. Very few women make false accusations. Just because one person makes a false statement does not mean the thousands of others who have come forward have also done so. For every woman who comes forward there are perhaps a hundred who have not. How this young woman had the strength to overcome is a testiment to her strength of character.
[–]nonamefounder 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, she should've stayed by her first words. But this has nothing to do with people falsely accusing someone of rape. If she got dragged to say that she falsely accused then the police officer was the wrong one and the one who raped her. But if she didn't get raped and accused the person. And no, there is not 100 more for every women that speaks out.
You shouldn't come in here and tell us a story that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Every person man or woman should go to jail for falsely accusing someone of rape. Men and women should both go to jail for the same sentence for raping someone. Men go to jail for 5-25 years for raping someone, which is good, but women get a clap on their finger and some service some of them get a few months jail time, which is unfair. And people who accuse someone wrong should go to jail for 5-10 years and they should be put on a list, the "I accused someone falsely of rape" list. Where they should go around to everyone in their neighborhood and tell them what they did.
[–]juliebear1956 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet your focus is still on the very rare incidents of false rape. When millions of women don't feels safe to report it. I think your answer gives me a clue to why. Its more important that the focus is on the almost insignificant number of MEN who are falsely accused then women who are raped.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did any of you ask that question just so that you could start a circlejerk?
[–]DarkseidHS -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It really depends on what you mean when you say false confession. If it's a woman that comes forward and theres little to no evidence to support her claim but she maintains it happened, that cannot be punished. There's still a chance he did it, it just couldn't be proven. If she comes forward and admits to making it up is another scenario, but that feels like a civil matter and not really a criminal one imo.
[+]IGottaTakeATrump -10 points-9 points-8 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, but so should people who falsely accuse a woman who was actually raped of lying for her personal gain. The coverage of Justice Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford has brought public attention to the ugly truth of how ready and enthusiastically willing the American public is to accuse women of making it up, even from the very instant that they come forward saying that they were raped.
[–]ifelsedowhile 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The accuser didn't offer any real evidence besides her words.
[–]IGottaTakeATrump -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not the point, and your defensiveness proves the actual point, which is that far-right conservative piles of dung like yourself go a ridiculously long way out of your way to find excuses why it's OK to call women who come forward liars..first it's because there's no evidence, then when evidence is found you claim it's too late, that because they waited X amount of time they don't deserve justice, and then you start making up reasons to say that maybe she had it coming if it did happen, or "boys will be boys", or something equaly idiotic.
The sad part is that I could smell your Faux News loving conservative stench just by the tone of your response...brainded morons lke yhou are the same ones spinning the sob story narrative about how men today need safe spaces because we're all supposedly such triggered victims and wah wah boo hoo blah blah blah blah blah just because overly sensitive, completely paranoid snowflakes like yourself are...but what's really funny is that such a sentiment is coming from the same group of middle aged white conservative men like yourself who say that Millenials are the ones always crying about needing a safe sapce, that they are the weak ones, when you all are so busy busy licking wounds that aren't even there and feeling sorry for yourselves that you fail to see that there are others who have it far worse than you...take, for instance, women who endure sexual abuse....most of them don't report...first because they're afaid of their abuser, who is too often a family member or trusted member of the community, then because they blame themselves for being sexually abused, then, supposing they can brintg themselves to come forward, they have to deal with extremely ignorant, hard headed stooges like yourself who call them liars. People like you are one of the biggest reasons there aren't more of the women who actually are raped dont' come forward...you call then liars first before the facts are in, and then when facts do start coming in you cherry pick the ones that support your preconcieved notion that all women who come forard are lying manipulative gold diggers, and reject the rest as "fake news".
[–]bunnite -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s come out of those cases? Honest question. I stopped following them.
[–]jayhalk1 -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should jail go to rape for falsely accusing men of women.
[+][deleted] -18 points-17 points-16 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Everyone that is so worried about being falsify accused must treat women like shit on a daily basis.
[–]Scottysmoosh 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
username checks out.
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Someone I now got falsely accused because he said no to a girl. He was asleep after a party at a friend's place. Woke up to a girl trying to unbutton his pants. Told her to leave him alone, he has a gf. Girl said he will regret it, started telling her friends he raped her.
This was her third of fourth time of doing this to some guy for refusing her.
She treated her soooo horribly for refusing to let her rape him.
No. Look at the “mean girls” case.
They literally admitted to falsely accusing someone of sexual assault “because they didn’t like him”.
The threat is real, and that is for everyone.
[+]littlefilms -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
"should male rapists who lied about not raping go to jail?" /s
Edit: I was using quotes, I thought it was clear I taking the piss as if this person's logic was being used for men... It's supposed to sound stupid, that's the point...
[–]IncendiaryBullet1 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
If they actually proved that the accused is a rapist, then they already go to jail.
It’s called getting charged with rape + perjury.
[–]littlefilms 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I was using quotes, I thought it was clear I taking the piss as if this person's logic was being used for men... It's supposed to sound stupid, that's the point...
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
r/woooosh to me.
[–]littlefilms 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
my bad I should have put /s but I thought it was too stupid as it was to be taken seriously
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sadly, there’s people who actually believe in that.
[–]littlefilms 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
good god man!
[–]morerokk 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That already happens, so thanks for proving the point.
[–]littlefilms 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I was using quotes, I thought it was clear I was taking the piss as if their logic was being used for men... It's supposed to sound stupid, that's the point, so thanks?
[–]HellaBrainCells -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Liars hurt survivors. Believe women and punish them too.
[–]penisofablackman -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only they should, they should get the same minimum-maximum penalty range that the jurisdiction has for the crime they falsely accused someone of.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not at all
[+]slack_jawed_twit -21 points-20 points-19 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I think they should have to experience exactly what they falsely accused someone else of doing, 3 times a day, for a duration equal to the sentence the accused would have gotten.
[–]Mean_Ass_Dumbledore 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So...you want someone to be raped for a total of X years?
Appropriate username.
-10 points to Slytherin.
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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is Hufflepuff so far behind?
[–]SENDMEWHATYOUGOT -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What happens to men in prison?
[–]CookieCrumbl 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not much rape, actually. Also that's a shit comparison, something we shouldn't have happening and something that's proposed a legal outcome? Fuck out of here.
[–]SENDMEWHATYOUGOT 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea youre right
[–]DaSaw -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Jailing someone for a false accusation seems a bit much to me. That said, judges probably should consider the effects of an accusation when determining damages in a slander or libel suit. If her accusation reduces his ability to make a living, she can pay the difference.
[–]facadepapergirl 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
As a female, I can say that it's not much. Men go to jail for women's false accusations. It's entirely appropriate for women to face jailtime. And while I have been a victim of sexual assault and highly recommend believing the victim, there are way too many women who abuse the statistics just to be petty. That's bullshit. This should not be taken lightly, and paying a fine is a slap on the wrist.
[–]DaSaw 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lost wages is more than just a fine.
So is jail time for false accusations.
[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No they shouldn’t. “THINK OF THE PATRIARCHY”
[–]TheDubiaGuy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is this even a question? Yes!
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