TIL a CDC study claims more men are victims of partner abuse than women : todayilearned

Deefry · 2015-03-22T16:49:06+00:00

It's refreshing to see that this has been allowed for 12 hours now and is still being discussed.

I'm cautiously optimistic that I won't see this post in /r/undelete.

DavidByron2 · 2015-03-22T19:00:19+00:00

I'm impressed that this report has even seen the light of day. Not to mention the onslaught of feminists and SJWs.

sexyjeremypharoahwiz · 2015-03-22T19:38:40+00:00

As a male victim of domestic violence, I just want to share that my personal experience with the police was incredibly fair and unbiased.

TRPACC · 2015-03-22T17:02:04+00:00

Its wonderful to see the non mra sector mraing.

questionnmark · 2015-03-22T23:23:51+00:00

Intent is far more important than physical ability to do harm. It is extremely rare for a man to ever intend to physically harm the person that he loves. Once weapons are involved even the weakest people are deadly.

archnihilist · 2015-03-22T19:19:58+00:00

It is undeniable that men have inherent power advantages over women.

It is also undeniable that abuse comes in many forms and that women are just as capable of abusing men, coworkers, peers and children in equally insidious ways that don't include violence.

When it comes to violence, men, generally, have the upper hand.

But, people can be fucking crazy. A woman coming from an abusive household and past abusive relationships may have completely awful and irrational conflict resolution skills against a man who may be super passive.

What does this non-violent man do as he is getting slapped, screamed at and threatened with murder in his sleep? Now, say that she has hidden all of the money? Say she threatens to have him fired? Say she threatens to take away the kids? Say she threatens to have him arrested?

What do you do, as that man?

There is only one thing you can do, legally, and only one thing you can do morally. Walk away. That is your only option.

But, then what happens?

She threatens to kill herself. Her fear of abandonment triggers a massive threat response and she goes on full attack mode, telling everyone in your life lies. Filing for a restraining order. Convincing other men to beat you up because of what an asshole you are... even though you have been strictly non-confrontational.

She fakes a proof of service and gets a restraining order against you, intentionally depriving you of your constitutional right to have a fair trial.

Now, you've lost your job, your family hates you, you are getting arrested for a restraining order violation on a restraining order that you never knew existed, and she moves in right behind your mom's house, so you can't even go to the one place you have left to go, because it will be a violation of the restraining order.

Sound crazy? I only tell this story because it is absolutely a real world example.

Abuse isn't about men and women. It isn't about poor or rich. It isn't about addiction or sobriety.

ANYONE CAN BE A PSYCHOTIC ASSHOLE.

COYAD · 2015-03-23T07:09:58+00:00

Interesting that the CDC is claiming this right after starting the 1 in 5 myth.

MangoFox · 2015-03-23T04:54:20+00:00

Copying my post from /r/MRref:

I think the OP is referring to the information found in Table 6. The rates for intimate partner violence in the last 12 months are higher overall for men than for women. They're lower for lifetime statistics, which (from what I've seen) is typical for this type of research - men generally report more instances of recent abuse than instances of abuse over a lifetime.

As a sidenote, this is another study in which being made to penetrate is not considered a form of rape. The CDC gives as their first conclusion that

In the United States, an estimated 19.3% of women and 1.7% of men have been raped during their lifetimes...

19.3% to 1.7%? A huge difference!

We can find the stat they used for that in table 1, first highlighted row. However, check out the other two rows I've highlighted. If we look at 12-month rather than lifetime, and if we include both "rape" and "made to penetrate" in our definition of rape, then it comes out to men having a higher prevalence of being raped, at 1.7% vs. 1.6% per year.

Now, it can easily be argued that this is cherry picking statistics. However, using the first set of statistics is cherry picking to the exact same degree. If we have two sets of data - lifetime and annual - which show two different results, why should we only look at lifetime and ignore annual? And why exactly should we only include being penetrated in our definition of rape, and ignore those forced to penetrate? I would strongly argue that the second set of statistics is just as valid as the first.

NibblyPig · 2015-03-22T18:47:23+00:00

I thought the CDC were pretty anti-male, I'm surprised this statistic exists without it being reframed to show how women are the main victim

ncweldon52 · 2015-03-22T19:15:19+00:00

Center for Disease Control?

LordIntrepid · 2015-03-23T01:59:06+00:00

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Metal-Phoenix · 2015-03-22T21:32:21+00:00

Male privilege, yo.

Myroaen · 2015-03-22T22:06:59+00:00

My only question why is the Center for Disease Control doing the study on this?

Ransom_Stoddard · 2015-03-23T02:22:14+00:00

All these men must have either lied or drove their women to strike back at them, thus it will not be considered abuse... while when men do it, the women never drove them to it, never lie and is the epitome of abuse.

It's good to see this 4 year old information being disseminated in a tiny little corner of an obscure website with 1000 upvotes while a cat playing with a laser beam gets 6000 upvotes.

lazaro398 · 2015-03-22T22:44:48+00:00

I'm not fond of the CDC. They claim (without a good source) that circumcision is beneficial.

MagicGainbow · 2015-03-23T13:33:14+00:00

I could believe that now, in the past few years the narrative that women can't hurt men in any real capacity has been really pushed, just look at Hope Solo.

Madam-Temacia · 2015-03-23T19:52:50+00:00

1-800-787-3224

abuse hotline for anyone who needs help btw.

GroundhogExpert · 2015-03-22T22:25:43+00:00

But no one actually gives a shit, even when the data is compiled. It just doesn't matter because this isn't an issue of empiricism, it's one of placing more value on one group's pain.

icusu · 2015-03-22T18:58:42+00:00

Link?

SnowyGamer · 2015-03-23T11:13:50+00:00

I still don't get why CDC does studies on crime.

Dragnil · 2015-03-24T16:47:05+00:00

I would believe it. My roommate for a year in college had a girlfriend that would become incredibly violent when drunk. He used to walk around a lot in his boxers when only he and I were home, and he had bruises all over him. On the occasion she really got violent, he would grab her wrists to keep her from hitting him any more, and she would scream assault and threaten to call the police. He would let go and she'd continue to beat on him. His excuse was "She's only like this when she's drunk". Sound familiar?

votingdownurshit · 2015-03-23T04:39:31+00:00

what a bunch of fucking pussies.

Title	TIL a CDC study claims more men are victims of partner abuse than women : todayilearned
Author	Bortasz
Upvotes	1550
Comments	129
Date	March 22, 2015 3:32 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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