“dressing provocatively” is a subjective statement and largely differs from person to person

abaxeron · 2023-07-28T23:48:38+00:00

“provocative” in terms of dressing incredibly subjective and differs from person to person

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This is only the picture, before we get to sounds. I've seen a woman wearing barely-anything with jangling bellybutton piercing and clicking heels in line to STI screening hospital. It was exceptionally out of place and inappropriate.

Looking provocative is what everyone perfectly understands but occasionally pretends not to (kinda like with biological sex). There are three components to it:

One, stand out of background. Exhibit above.

Two. Distinguish yourself against the opposite.

A provocatively looking woman is the one that spent a couple hours in the morning making herself the most not-man to ever not-man. Naturally brighter female lips even brighter, wispy female eyebrows plucked to be even more so, paler female skin covered in white paint, longer female eyelashes augmented by artificial ones or dyed, stronger female top hair grown all the way down to ass and dyed for even greater effect, almost non-existent body hair shaved. Which side do men button their jackets on? - Women just NEED to have theirs on the other side.

Three. Distinguish yourself against the lower.

One thing that basically has not changed since women's "emancipation" is that the most dangerous, dirty, ungrateful, physically demanding labor is still done by men (with possible exception of India and China, but that's another story). This shapes a man's appearance to prefer and get used to baggy clothes, short hair, excessive irregular tan, comfy footwear (on low heels), and so on. Men much more often than women have to spend many hours or even days doing labor, and thus dress in the most universal and reliable clothes, which usually involves lesser amount of skin shown (in case it rains) and such.

then why is skin tight clothing also not considered provocative?

Dunno; I've seen a woman in skin tight body suit recently; she stood out like a sore thumb, and I involuntarily chuckled thinking "oh shit, a ninja has come for me".

mummydontknow · 2023-07-28T23:13:34+00:00

Men dress well not because they want to flex their status, but to attract women in a similar way to peacocking.

So they assume that women also dress in way to attract mates. Which tbh isn't very far from the truth given the testimony of women here complaining that men go for the party girls instead of the modestly dressed and shy ones.

So just discuss it early on because yes it is subjective, different men are okay with different levels of attention women get from men. Some men are just not okay with any attention.

I also wanted to comment about the heat, desert people wear clothes to protect from the sun.

Big_Ranger_4220 · 2023-07-29T02:02:42+00:00

There is some subjectivity, but this is a “know it when you see it” issue, kind of like describing what porn is.

On a beach, there is a presumption of necessity because of the weather and water. At a club, the intentionality has changed to attraction seeking.

LessInformations · 2023-07-28T22:18:23+00:00

Dressing provocatively differs from person to person - that is from the person who dresses provocatively to the person who dresses provocatively.

When men say that a woman dresses provocatively, it's code word for "she's hot as phuck and I want to go deep between those honey-buns". Men don't say provocatively about a beached landwhale with 3 layers of fat like the Michelin man, who hasn't showered since the overthrow of Pinochet in Chile.

Dressing provocatively is about a woman being attractive, and it's a compliment, albeit creepy and sexual.

DerayRevan · 2023-07-28T22:27:57+00:00

"What IS dressing provocatively"

When you reveal half or more of your naked body

Case closed

Excellent-Yam409 · 2023-07-28T22:36:47+00:00

Highly contextual... Same thing as saying leg hair is manly, even though every human grows it. It's only acceptable for men to have it, therefore it's "manly".

There are some things that are generally provacative outside a beach/swimming pool/similar:

A certain amount of cleavage

A certain amount of upper thigh

Clothes that "cling," showing the shape of your body

Clothing that is see-through.

Men can wear provacative clothing, too. Tight-fitting tank tops, short shorts... But it's mostly gay men or models.

fupadestroyer45 · 2023-07-29T02:08:15+00:00

The biggest lie that is forced into far reaching aspects of modern discourse is that everything is subjective. You can claim innocence in any matter by claiming there's no objective standards therefore I can't be judged. Showing your tits or ass, or accentuating them is objectively provocative. It's not rocket science.

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OpticalEpilepsy · 2023-07-29T00:29:19+00:00

What would you consider dressing provocatively?

BeneficialRush4171 · 2023-07-29T00:53:14+00:00

It means showing off too much of your body relative to the environment you’re in. Like wearing a bikini to a carnival as an example.

lolmastr13 · 2023-07-29T00:56:40+00:00

The line is subjective but in general clothes that accentuate body parts considered attractive and wearing them for that purpose.

Scandi_Navy · 2023-07-29T10:22:05+00:00

While it differs between people and situations, it's not ubiquitous or random.

Now the point you are trying to defend by implying you can do whatever you want.

You can't. Because if you can't show you have the social soft skills you are not fit to be a parent, and not considerate of any feelings you might evoke in a partner. And you are being disingenuous about human mating.

Would I expect a woman who is not single to dress with less sex appeal, yes.

Let's first address an underlying misconception you seem to be making: Men and women are the same. They are not.

Women attract men into making an approach. They signal their availability or single status. Some even signal their ovulation.

Where as the men demonstrate they are a good mate. That can be in as many different ways as there are jobs or sports or positions. Strong, fast, smart, rich, tall, parenting skills, humor, anything and everything.

So no, signaling your availability, or a single status to other men, while in a relationship is not ok. Girls night out, bikini photos online, etc.

If you want a different mate, then leave.

Filmguy000 · 2023-07-28T23:25:40+00:00

If I go on a date with a chick and she is showing lots of skin, my mind goes: "It's clappin' time".

Title	“dressing provocatively” is a subjective statement and largely differs from person to person
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Date	July 28, 2023 10:13 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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