Is Misogyny Systemic?

wtknight · 2024-05-21T11:07:46+00:00

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DarkChiaotzu · 2024-05-21T06:48:55+00:00

It’s been ingrained in society for thousands of years, the systemic part is gonna be really hard to get rid of in a few decades.

HomeworkFew2187 · 2024-05-21T02:20:09+00:00

for most of human history it was and it still is, especially in underdeveloped nations.

the educational system was made to train people to be factory workers and follow orders. It exists to create obedient workers there is no gender discrimination.

the "justice system", discriminates against everyone the courts only care about convictions. and enforcing the laws no matter how "just", they are.

i don't think a draft should exist. you can always just refuse to serve.

"few organizations and shelters that help men/boys" i think there should be more.But it is unlikely to occur. Men don't like to be seen as "weak", and thus would never go due to social stigma. Plus these organizations tend to attract predators. Case in point the boy scouts. food banks and other organisations give help without gender biases.

"welfare and safety of women and girls are always prioritized", i personally think that is simply virtue signaling.People say that. but im not sure how many many are pressured into actually caring. versus actually having the belief.

"misogyny being a systemic issue in Western nations is a pretty unbelievable concept. It comes off as more victimhood from misandrists and a means of deflecting from the issue of misandry itself. There was a time a legit case could be made for misogyny being a serious systemic issue decades ago but it's long been rectified at least in the West (and rightfully so)",

just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. i mean no offense but you are like the white liberal who claims racism has been eradicated and no longer exists.When that is not the case. malcolm x talking about this type.

"The white liberal differs from the white conservative only in one way: the liberal is more deceitful than the conservative. The liberal is more hypocritical than the conservative. Both want power, but the white liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the friend and benefactor; and by winning the friendship, allegiance, and support of the , the white liberal is able to use the as a pawn or tool in this political "football game" that is constantly raging between the white liberals and white conservatives.",

"Politically the American is nothing but a football and the white liberals control this mentally dead ball through tricks of tokenism: false promises of integration and civil rights. In this profitable game of deceiving and exploiting the political politician of the American , those white liberals have the willing cooperation of the civil rights leaders. These "leaders" sell out our people for just a few crumbs of token recognition and token gains. These "leaders" are satisfied with token victories and token progress because they themselves are nothing but token leaders.",

AstronautExisting230 · 2024-05-21T03:45:03+00:00

Yeah? American politicians routinely try to police women's bodily autonomy. Plus western countries still have improvement to do with how women are treated in the work place / understanding enthusiastic consent.

Don't get me started on middle eastern countries like Iran, where women are routinely subjugated by an Islamic theocracy that has zero respect for women's rights.

Just because the west generally treats women way better than other countries, doesn't mean systematic discrimination is gone.

A good example would be the recent scandal at blizzard, where male workers routinely sexually harassed female employees to the point where one of them killed themselves i'm pretty sure...

Like come on, it says something about America & the west with regards to how we still view women, when the top politicians and powerful people are routinely involved in sex crimes against women and young girls. Not to mention that most women in the west have stories of dealing with creeps & sexual harassment....

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

DankuTwo · 2024-05-21T08:12:19+00:00

In my experience misogyny, like racism, exists in two, class-based spheres. Women and minorities suffer from all sorts of discrimination (personal, professional and systemic) if they’re in the lower quintiles. For professionals in the upper quintile, it gets reversed, and they wind up benefitting substantially from positive discrimination. I experimented with this a few years ago. I used to put “refuse to say” as my “race” on job applications. I didn’t like the idea and, growing up, was always told by my Mexican-American grandfather “We’re American”. After getting frustrated with my job search I started listing “Hispanic/Latino/whatever designation they had in this vein” and my number of annual interviews tripled. I was the same person, with the same CV.

obviousredflag · 2024-05-21T09:13:06+00:00

People define "systemic" to mean whatever they need to have it mean to match their ideology and agenda of gender war.

So don't hang yourself up on that term and rather focus on the actual outcomes and the reasons for them.

CarAlternative1801 · 2024-05-21T01:31:50+00:00

I don’t think its systemic. Theres a bunch of misogynists, a bunch of misandrists and then the majority of people just want to be nice to each other. Both men and women vote in their leaders, and both men and women have equal opportunity to start businesses and become rich business owner and in places of power. Theres plenty of pros and cons of being either male or female, such as the ones you listed, but I find the pros and cons pretty much evens out.

Bekiala · 2024-05-21T01:40:55+00:00

I would argue that if you are a man you think misandry is a bigger problem and systematic. On the other hand if you are a woman, you will tend to think that misogyny is systematic and a huge problem.

We humans tend to focus on our own victimization or negative experiences and downplay anything like that in the other gender or other race.

People are just like this and I don't think many can shrug this off and see beyond their own group.

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Hatespanch · 2024-05-21T01:51:49+00:00

I think misogny was systemic for much of human history. Many writers and philosophers had misogynistic opinions, even though women were subservient to men. Now I don't think it's systemic anymore, it's just a reactionary instinct to the fact that you don't fuck, don't have stable relationships, etc.

Critical_Corner_1859 · 2024-05-21T07:30:32+00:00

When it comes to western women and western men no, I don't think either misandry or misogyny is systematic. That's just victim mindset.

abaxeron · 2024-05-21T08:18:49+00:00

Women are the majority of voters. Any systemic misogyny that exists, does so only because women either tacitly allow it to exist, or openly vote in favor of it.

OkProfessional9405 · 2024-05-21T02:31:19+00:00

I think at this point misogyny is primarily shaming language feminists use to counter an argument that is inconvenient. Take the clear poor outcomes the children of single mother's have vs the outcomes of children of single fathers. Bringing this up is considered misogyny. So as you said, it's misandrists using it as weapon to make regular people stop wanting to point these things out.

Love_on_you0422 · 2024-05-21T05:34:51+00:00

misandry is systemic not a mysogyny

superlurkage · 2024-05-21T02:58:44+00:00

Not anymore, nor is misandry

It doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, just that it’s not officially sanctioned

It’s just logical

Bubbly_Pension4020 · 2024-05-21T01:47:50+00:00

I don’t think most gender discrimination is really based around outright hatred of the opposite sex.

The word always came across more like a political smear word than anything. It’s not like you’re going to have a constructive conversation with someone after that word comes out.

The same applies for the word misandry.

Adventurous-Fox-62 · 2024-05-21T06:17:17+00:00

No, misogyny is not systemic.

Yes, misandry is systemic.

What's the difference? Attention of mainstream media and ostracization of dissenting views. Modern western media is clearly "men-bashing".

Sutanrei · 2024-05-21T01:51:15+00:00

I have no disagreements nor counters for any of this and thus, concur.

Scarce12 · 2024-05-21T01:56:44+00:00

If it's not systemic, what will happen to all the government funding and non-profit organisations making a killing over this?

Title	Is Misogyny Systemic?
Author	DarkBehindTheStars
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Comments	54
Date	May 21, 2024 1:24 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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