Is TRP really amoral?

soylentblueissmurfs · 2014-12-26T14:19:17+00:00

RP-philosophy is useful to men with many different systems of morality. I doubt a single guy who just wants to fuck a lot of women is going to have much in common with the christian husband who wants to be the head of the house when it comes to morality.

Archwinger · 2014-12-26T17:51:55+00:00

This post wrongly equates how some men feel about some things with an official red pill stance on morality.

The Red Pill explains how the world of relationships works. It doesn't proclaim that the way the world works is morally wrong. If you do X, a woman is more likely to cheat or leave. Some men might feel that this is morally wrong, but it's still how the world works.

The Red Pill advises men to do X because it is likely to work. Whether men do X, Y, or Z, and whether they do or refrain from that for moral reasons is their deal

cxj · 2014-12-26T17:36:44+00:00

Tbh, im not interested in the question of whether any items on your list are moral or not. Thats the subject of an ethics class. What interests me is the incentive structure and social dynamics behind these actions, and especially how to manipulate these things to get what i want out of it.

EVILEMU · 2014-12-26T21:36:11+00:00

All answers to questions are my own opinions are may not be shared with TRP. I can only speak for me.

1.A man cheating on his girlfriend

I find this immoral. If you enter into a formal relationship with someone, you agree not to cheat.

2.A girl friendzoning a boy or sending a boy into orbit

I don't care either way, that's the boy's problem. Girls do this because you don't like someone but don't want to lose the attention (friendship). I don't blame the girls, you're not obligated to give anyone anything. There's a clear difference between friend zoning and leading someone on. If it were me though, I would just move on to a different girl unless I value her personal qualities and conversation enough that i'd consider her on par with my other friends.

3.A man spinning "plates" or having more than one partner

If he isn't in a formal relationship where he promises someone that he will remain monogamous, then I don't have a problem with it.

4.A woman having more than one sexual partners

Go for it girl. Again, just don't cheat on anybody or promise monogamy. If someone asks you if you are seeing other people, don't lie about it though. same with men.

5.A non-working wife getting half of a rich man's wealth while not deserving it.

It's not often that alimony cases give a flat 50% in divorce cases. This would only be after very long marriages of many years with the wife not working and with no other way to support herself and if the wife didn't intentionally cause trouble. Imagine if there was no law to cover this situation and you had been a wife for 20 years while staying home and raising children. Suddenly you'd have no house and no income. you'd be 40 years old with nothing to show for it. But at the other end of the spectrum, a golddigger marrying a multi-millionaire for just 2 years and then ripping his bank in-half is just a terrible heist and a manipulation of the system put in place to help those whom otherwise wouldn't be able to support themselves. Alimony shouldn't be a paycheck that comes with a divorce or a way to get revenge for something. Marriage would only persist while you like your husband better than the money he's worth. It's a monetary motivation for divorce. I think it is a far from perfect system in today's female-biased family court system, but I also understand how in some cases it is necessary. I'd prefer it it didn't affect any future earnings or factor in non-liquid assets. Pull off the band-aid, lump sum, bye bye, and you're on with your life.

6.A man declining to take financial responsibility of his offspring.

This is a case per case basis and also depends highly on the ethics of the man. If I got a girl pregnant accidentally and neither of us were trying to conceive, I would certainly push for an abortion. If she wanted to keep the child anyways, then she can pay for it. If a man wants a baby but the women doesn't, then the man should have the option to take sole custody of the child after birth IF the women agrees to go through the pregnancy and child-birth. A women shouldn't be forced to birth a baby and adoption is always an option if people want kids. Women should not be able to rope in a man by getting pregnant and blackmailing him to stick around. Women should not be able to force a man to pay child support on a baby he didn't want to have. If a father or mother that earns income decides to have a child and then stops supporting the child, then they should pay in a form of currency that would be restricted to purchases that benefit the child, not cash that can be spent on the child's guardian. The amount of payment should be a % of the income of the leaving party. this should be equal for men and women.

7.Screwing with a married person.

I personally wouldn't do this because I find it ethically wrong, But I don't really mind if someone does it to someone else unrelated to me. This is because when two people are married, they enter into a contract with each other. This random outside party has not entered into any agreement with anyone so they aren't breaking any obligation when they help someone cheat. The person whom is married should take full blame for their cheating on the person whom they swore not to. You don't get mad at the party your spouse cheated on you with, you get mad at your spouse.

8.Not telling a woman her guy is cheating and vice-versa?

This depends on what side of the equation I am affected by and goes along with the same logic stated before about entering into relationships. If my friend/family is the one who entered into a relationship and then broke it by cheating, then I probably care more about them than whoever they're dating. If a random party cheated on my friends/family and I found out, I would tell them because I care more about family/friends than non-family/non-friends.

9.A woman who is only financially motivated in a relationship

It's a blurred line because finding a gold-digger is a witch hunt. How can you be sure it isn't love or wasn't at the beginning? I think taking a better look at alimony laws so that divorced parties don't have their assets taken unjustly would help prevent this by removing the benefit from solely seeking money in a relationship.

10.Lying about the number of sexual partners you had and your sexual history.

This is your own choice. You have freedom of your own mind. I think lying about this number in order to manipulate someone is wrong. but otherwise you cannot force someone to be truthful about anything. Instead derive your own interpretation of someone. Judge their actions, not words.

11.Pretending to be someone you're not just to get a girl or a guy.

There's a difference between an unnatural aura of confidence and outright false information. When looking for a partner, it is expected you compose yourself in a certain fashion that is inline with the social expectations of the partner as outlined by societal norms. This isn't required, but it helps. If you're not in with the pack, you're an outlier and a sore thumb. Even if you don't act that way in a relaxed environment, you need to follow the customs of the "mating dance" in order to impress your potential partner and to fit in with the rest of your culture. Saying you're a millionair doctor however, is immoral.

12.A married woman who cheated with a guy outside her marriage ,falls pregnant but hides the paternity from her husband

That's clearly immoral as fuck. Especially to pass off the child as if it were the husband's. They entered a contract with each other, etc etc... i've said all that before. If a man got another girl pregnant outside of the relationship then he doesn't have to carry the child at least so physically it's less severe and apparent, but it's still immoral to cheat in a relationship.

Replies are appreciated. I'd love to discuss my conclusions and beliefs.

powerkick · 2014-12-26T17:33:01+00:00

Nope. It's basically a giant moral judgement on women and responds with counter-normative values.

namae_nanka · 2014-12-26T10:21:28+00:00

And I'm baffled by the use of cognitive dissonance; if they're suffering from it they surely aren't showing it.

Doublethink is the word you guys are looking for.

pillburt · 2014-12-26T15:27:31+00:00

Is gravity really amoral? Think about it. Just yesterday a boy fell from a tall cliff, gravity bringing him to his death.

Is fire really amoral? Somebody used fire last week to burn three women to death calling them witches!

Is water really amoral? I heard that lots of people drown who don't even deserve it.

homo_homini_lupus · 2014-12-26T14:13:22+00:00

None if it is immoral or has anything to do with morality, a concept that has no merit outside religion. Female sexual nature and strategy are just as amoral as male. Human relationships are about reconciling male and female nature as much as possible, not being morally outraged by each others nature

Number 5 doesnt fit because there is an actual formal relationship with rules that are agreed to beforehand involved. A rich man knows his resources will go to his wife upon divorce, by marrying he agreed to it

Number 12 doesnt fit in the list because it a woman breaking a formal agreement with legal consequences.

Absent formal agreements none of the issues listed are anything at all but icky to the person they happen to

stats135 · 2014-12-26T17:21:20+00:00

ALL amoral, because ACTIONS are always amoral, only the RESULTS and consequences of these actions can be basis of judgment. RPers are consequentialists. The ends justify the means, always.

lxnarratorxl · 2014-12-26T19:59:45+00:00

TRP is amoral, red pillers are individuals and vary in degrees on this.

wombatinaburrow · 2014-12-28T12:16:13+00:00

I think they like the idea of calling themselves amoral or immoral because they think it makes them sound edgy. Most TRP behavior is just shitty entitled spoilt brat behavior, rather than indicative of some sort of moral compass or lack thereof.

jsalathe · 2014-12-26T10:36:10+00:00

These are all answered from first person perspective because morals are ultimately a personal thing and everyone must adopt their own code. 1)immoral; 2)amoral (it is a woman's natural tendency); 3) moral, not even amoral; 4) amoral; 5) immoral (due to the government intervention in a personal relationship); 6) immoral (but this is highly contextual and may be completely fine in specific circumstances, like if he did not want or know about his offspring); 7) immoral (though many TRPers disagree); 8) immoral, depending on which partner is your better friend); 9) amoral (most relationships fall into this category even if the woman doesn't admit this to herself); 10) amoral (we expect this to be the case); 11) amoral (mostly because I take issue with this wording, "someone you're not" does this mean that you are not a fireman oir that you are not deep); 12) immoral (this is one of the oldest crimes in existence and is widely held as immoral across all cultures)

Antiteetotaler · 2015-01-04T05:43:33+00:00

I wouldn't call TRP amoral. TRP is all about the sexual marketplace, and the sexual marketplace has its own alien morality. Propagation is all. Whatever aids in propagation is GOOD, and whatever does not is discarded either through death or celibacy.

Ferelden · 2014-12-26T16:36:11+00:00

Three and four were the only moral ones where I have no reservation about it. 5 is based on how long the couple has been together. Woman was married two years...amoral. 20 years, moral.

Title	Is TRP really amoral?
Author	BlueboyPill
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Date	December 26, 2014 10:10 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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