Men and weakness

haircombsnightmare · 2015-05-08T00:57:20+00:00

Is this a bad thing?

"According to literature on gender and suicide, male suicide rates are explained in terms of traditional gender roles. Male gender roles tend to emphasize greater levels of strength, independence, and risk-taking behavior. Reinforcement of this gender role often prevents males from seeking help for suicidal feelings and depression."

dejour · 2015-05-08T01:56:57+00:00

It's unfair to men that they have to repress their emotions more than women.

However, because of the way that men are treated when they appear weak it is a smart strategy for men to avoid appearing weak.

andrewisgood · 2015-05-08T19:26:41+00:00

It's weird, like, here's where feminism gets into men's rights territory that I'm actually for. I think it's bad that it's not as acceptable. People are different, everyone is brought up a different way and I'm not a fan of how society almost demands one act a certain way based on them being a man or a woman. I feel it's pretty misandrist actually that men should just be told to "toughen the fuck up" depending on a situation. We want to put people in these boxes and say "this is how you should act based on your gender". So I would say it's a bad thing.

Wolfsouls · 2015-05-08T14:48:38+00:00

Bottling up powerful feelings is horrible for mental health, I think getting rid of the stigma against psychiatry and therapy would help a lot of people. A therapist will never judge their patient for showing weakness and will help them through the emotions, because that's their job.

Men should toughen the fuck up around their significant others, unless they want their wife/girlfriend to become their new mommy. No woman wants a whiny boy for a partner.

GayLubeOil · 2015-05-08T00:46:49+00:00

You need to think of women as Penis Investors. They are investing their ovaries in you in the hopes that you will pay dividends. When you meet with venture capital you dont want to show them fat Diane in accounting or the intern who farts. You show them the good stuff only. And never ever fucking ever complain to your investors about your company.

fiat_lux_ · 2015-05-08T01:27:43+00:00

whether it be anger, sadness, or fear,

Men aren't looked down for anger. Anger itself isn't perceived as weak unless it's accompanied by impotence. That "anger is weakness" is an idea that people promote because unrestrained male anger is dangerous. It's still socially less acceptable, but not because it's weak.

Open expression of anger is machismo and men do it more openly than women. Women tend to express it more indirectly/subtly and can come off as catty.

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2015-05-08T06:01:07+00:00

Look at this, even a broken clock is right twice a day:

http://np.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/1k0izp/what_is_it_like_for_a_man_to_have_to_hidesuppress/cbk64sr

Overdramatic, but true.

adrixshadow · 2015-05-09T07:27:52+00:00

If you have the time to be emotional you have the time to improve your situation.

Men DO, that is how we are built, women adapt that is how they are built.

The reason women are emotional is because they need it, it is a process that helps to adapt to a situation.

Villaintine · 2015-05-08T02:05:06+00:00

or should men toughen the fuck up and stop being such a pussy?

I think everyone should have to "toughen up" and "stop being such pussies." Society would be so much better not only without political correctness but without the desire for it- for people to be so desensitized that even blatant faux pas and insults don't bother them.

ProtoPill · 2015-05-08T00:43:27+00:00

Depends on the situation.

In business, it is rarely appropriate to show your emotions.

At home, I will let some slip through to satisfy my wife's curiosity about me. Otherwise, I remain the rock.

beer77 · 2015-05-08T01:15:56+00:00

should men toughen the fuck up and stop being such a pussy?

If men want to get ahead in life, sure.

Whisper · 2015-05-08T19:30:50+00:00

This is a pointless question.

That unacceptability is hardwired in and you cannot culture it out. There is absolutely nothing you can do, short of very sophisticated genetic engineering which is beyond our capability, which will make the female vagina stop drying up at the sight of male tears.

Therefore the only thing to do about it is for men to stop shedding them.

Whether you want that to be the case or not does not make any difference at all, and is therefore not worth talking about.

Postboned · 2015-05-08T11:30:45+00:00

It is and it isn't a bad thing. You said it yourself in the first line.

what do you think of the fact that it is not acceptable for men to show their emotions as openly as women?

Showing your emotions as a man is something you shouldn't be doing 24/7 as you'd appear very weak and sensitive to a woman. If you do this a lot, then she has to take the role of the stern, stable person in the relationship and she might end up resenting you or finding someone else that allows her to be emotional. A woman needs a man that shows least amount of emotions possible so that she could be free to express hers. However, if you show your weakness every once in a while, then you appear human and more likeable. While women love men that know how to hold frame, they find that dating an emotional robot is annoying and opening up to them every once in a while for a little bit makes the connection grow stronger.

..and honestly, if you're worried about what your special someone will think of you if you show emotions then you are not that much of an alpha as you claim to be.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-05-08T15:15:04+00:00

I think men should toughen the fuck up, and that they should be socially rewarded for it.

The problem now isn't that men are told to man up, or that their emotions are unattractive. The problem is that men aren't given the respect that being tough and putting your needs and well-being aside used to entail. There's less and less incentive to 'man up'.

Because there is less incentive to man up, less men are manning up. The problem with that, is that the 'manning up' metaphor is very powerful, and if a society structure itself well, they can harness this power to incentivize useful things like working hard jobs, financially supporting a family, etc.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-05-08T05:37:49+00:00

Emotional men piss me off.

nomdplume · 2015-05-08T01:03:46+00:00

is this a bad thing?

It has made things rough for me a times (particularly in the sexual dynamics department and in my childhood, but everywhere else, too), but nothing in life is tailored to fit my needs, so there is no "bad" about it.

or should men toughen the fuck up and stop being such a pussy?

"YES!!" - author, my wife.

exit_sandman · 2015-05-08T09:42:30+00:00

is this a bad thing? or should men toughen the fuck up and stop being such a pussy?

The alternative - not telling men they should toughen the fuck up and stop being pussies - is plain and simply worse. Until we enter a progressive utopia where emotional men are considered competent and desirable, curbing these tendencies is the way to go.

Lol, who am I kidding, we'll never see that utopia.

Title	Men and weakness
Author	Fuschia19
Upvotes	2
Comments	96
Date	May 8, 2015 12:34 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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