''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than women

Eastuss · 2019-01-08T11:11:39+00:00

That's right, and the thing is we don't actually want women to come and be part of that competition. We want men to opt out of it and choose more balanced lifestyles.

daveofmars · 2019-01-08T14:10:17+00:00

Where do you all come up with this stuff?

First, you didn't define toxic masculinity. How am I supposed to agree/disagree?

Second, everyone seems to have different and contradictory definitions of toxic masculinity, and here on this sub it's been discussed with no definitive conclusion.

Third, having sociopathic tendencies isn't toxic masculinity. Women can be sociopaths and psychopaths too.

Fourth, there are plenty of other traits that make men CEO's over women, one of which you already defined at the bottom.

This is a terrible post. You should at the very least add a definition of toxic masculinity so we know what the hell you're talking about. Then point out what CEOs have those traits. You gotta dig deeper if you want to have a productive discussion. This post is way too shallow.

goldmedalflower · 2019-01-08T12:06:25+00:00

Feminists will never win with the term "toxic masculinity". It's too offensive to too many people, especially when there is so much resistance to even acknowledge the concept of toxic femininity (which is made even worse when they further double down with 'internalized misogyny' meaning even when women behave badly, it's men's fault).

However, back to the this thread, it's not just more men becoming CEOs, you see women enforcing this "toxic" behavior across the spectrum. In dating especially, women overwhelmingly punish men who show their emotions, ask for permission for each kiss, men who don't prioritize their careers, men who show weakness, etc, etc.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-01-08T16:20:37+00:00

People who believe in toxic masculinity are also leftist/marxist/commumist/socialist/collectivist--whatever term you prefer. They despise hierarchy (and reality) so what are you saying to them? Oh, toxic masculinity is evil for even more reasons than they thought

wtffellification · 2019-01-08T15:53:01+00:00

The most socipopathic people I've met were all men

but I've met more sociopath women than men

goatismycopilot · 2019-01-08T18:04:11+00:00

I find it hard to tell the difference in personalities between the men and the women at the executive level at my place. Nice pleasant people do not reach spheres of influence at the corporate level.

Workaholico · 2019-01-08T20:45:11+00:00

is because toxic masculinity is now just being masculine. Period.

You see. Toxic masculinity started by representing how men would consider violence and dominance by force as integral part of masculinity. Which is a bad part of it, even if it is. But each feminist wave and autor it became more and more about how masculinity as a whole is toxic. Their reasoning being that any masculine trait in excess is toxic (And forgetting that any trait in excess is toxic, not restricted to masculine ones).

Thus, ambition, power, activeness, leadership, savings, etc. Were pushed into toxic masculinity. Now toxic masculinity and plain 'major' masculinity are mostly indistinguishable in feminist literature. Even being born as a male is sometimes mentioned as being toxic. Rare or inexistent are the the traits which male have higher than women that are not considered toxic in some literatures.

That is why "toxic masculinity" seem to always be related to success in romance, study, career, sex, etc in today's studies. Because for all intents and purposes. it is just plain old masculinity. Which has many things which help in those, like ambition and leadership.

This is a problem to TRP. As this becomes a quite strange situation, when men criticize feminists for their definition they point out that the original definition is "violence and dominance by power" then continue to criticize masculinity as a whole and try to destroy this traits. Just like feminist was once a ideology about equality but now is about superiority.the problem is. These traits are desired as you seen yourself. Which works against most individual woman desires. A paradox of the movement. Not of the person

BiggerDthanYou · 2019-01-08T11:00:11+00:00

Toxic masculinity is also the reason why men drop dead at 55 and why they have such increased suicide rates.

"That's why guys drop dead at 50, from like 40 years of not being able to admit a puppy's cute" - Bill Burr

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BiggerDthanYou · 2019-01-08T11:45:08+00:00

How about toxic feminism

Tedesche · 2019-01-08T22:04:52+00:00

First racism, then mass shootings, now psychopathy is being chalked up to “toxic masculinity.” Sexist garbage. There are female psychopaths.

[deleted] · 2019-01-08T23:12:56+00:00

Gaming office politics and being a backstabber are not masculine, at all.

moccochi117 · 2019-01-08T23:54:44+00:00

Men are far more likely to be sociopaths

https://www.quora.com/Who-s-most-likely-to-be-a-sociopath-a-woman-or-a-man-Are-there-more-men-who-are-sociopaths-than-there-are-women

RedPill-BlackLotus · 2019-01-09T01:11:49+00:00

Capitalism is like a honey badger. It doesn't give a fuck about gender only profits. If a woman had what it takes to be successful and make better decisions at that level then they would be.

Investors dont give a fuck.

energexer · 2019-01-08T13:27:33+00:00

I think toxic masculinity can run through organizations as a whole. Even the mildest amount of it can be toxic, that's where the terminology gets it's name. What puts male CEO's up there in higher numbers isn't their personal toxic masculinity but patriarchy.

BiggerDthanYou · 2019-01-08T10:59:54+00:00

Toxic masculinity is also the reason why men drop dead at 55 and why they have such increased suicide rates.

"That's why guys drop dead at 50, from like 40 years of not being able to admit a puppy's cute" - Bill Burr

Cenomaniac · 2019-01-12T21:19:07+00:00

I thought it was because statistically there are double the number of male geniuses than female geniuses.

Title	''Toxic masculinity'' is actually the reason there are more male CEO's than women
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Date	January 8, 2019 10:47 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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