TRP is not morally objective or objective in general

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-09-06T15:31:45+00:00

where did TRP ever claim to be "objective" or "morally objective"? its EXPLICITLY TEAM MAN. the only claim TRP makes is that SEXUAL STRATEGY is amoral. RP holds that female sexual strategy is amoral too, moralizing tradcons, mgtows and incel who ruined trp forever and made it gross moralize female sexual strategy as "evil" and "wrong".

Red-Frostraven · 2016-09-06T15:51:51+00:00

What are we going to discuss here..?

Just like a debate on chrisitianity vs islam, it's pointless to just start out by saying one is bad.

Source examples, and counter the argumentation. Don't quote conclusions, and exclude the arguments that led to said conclusion.

"They also seem to paint everything women do in a negative light. Even housewives are lazy fucks"

What were they talking about?

"Housewives without kids work 2 hours a day max!"

Well. THAT is lazy as fuck compared to having an 6 hour job and THEN taking care of the home for two hours.

crowbird_ · 2016-09-06T15:27:37+00:00

I'll C that V.

TRP is objective in the sense that it is a set of traits, behaviors, and characteristics in men which tend to make them sexually attractive to women.

TRP describes a sexual strategy which is designed to get sex for men. It says "when you do X, you increase the chances of getting laid. When you do Y, you decrease the chances of getting laid. XYZ traits are attractive and increase the chances of getting you laid. ABC traits are not attractive, and are neutral or decrease the chances of getting you laid. Women have a base nature, and here's what it is. Men have a base nature, and here's what that is."

So in that sense, TRP is objective.

The rest of your post really doesn't pertain to much of anything. TRP doesn't claim moral objectivity. It doesn't claim, as a subreddit, that a thing is "good" or "bad". It leaves moral questions aside. Bad female behaviors are condemned because they interfere with male sexual strategies, not because they are morally bad (though they might also be morally bad). Bad male behaviors are not condemned when they don't interfere with male sexual strategies.

TRP isn't the moral police. TRP isn't there to tell men what they should or should not do. TRP is there to describe what works and what doesn't work.

SkinnySweaty · 2016-09-06T16:33:40+00:00

You sound very naive.

A lot of Red Pill men are, by their own admission, misogynists. /u/Archwinger just put together a comment explaining that TRP is obviously misogynistic, and that the real question is instead whether misogyny is a bad thing.

It's okay to rant and "hate" on women.

Individual and group behaviors change, so to imagine that all this hate and vitriol has no effect on people is ridiculous. It has been proven time and time again that getting a crowd of people all fired up with hatred has very real world repercussions. To think otherwise it to ignore human social history in its entirety.

And for you to just say "it's all good, girls do it too" is to demonstrate conclusively your own ignorance on this subject and many others as well.

GridReXX · 2016-09-06T19:10:04+00:00

TRP claims sexuality is amoral. That's their claim.

That said I agree that almost every red puller claims to be this bastion of rationality anti hamstering and objectivity.

And in the same breath be mindbogglingly biased, irrational, and logically inconsistent.

They are Team Man.

Which means they will gerbil / hamster to the death and throw rationality and common sense to the wind to defend Team Man.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-09-06T19:58:56+00:00

And you know what, it's okay. It's okay to rant and "hate" on women. There are also some places where some women gather and belittle men and male interests. However, TRPillers in my opinion need to admit that they're not objective and that they enjoy "hating" on women. It's not a bad thing. Everyone has occassionaly the need to belittle others to feel better. I do it, you do it, everyone does it. It's not bad to admit it. Hating on people is fun.

Maybe it's just a forum for venting or banter between guys. One thing you might keep in mind is that it seems obvious that it's really just a men's forum. Women shouldn't even be reading stuff like that; it's like a woman traipsing through a men's restroom and then complaining about the smell. Some things should just be left alone.

I once came across a forum called "All About Poop." I don't think it's still up anymore, but it also had some health information in there - along with people posting a lot of weird poop stories. It's not the kind of thing one would discuss in polite company, but in a forum where that was the topic of conversation, then sure - why not? Nobody is forced to read it.

TheUniverseis2D · 2016-09-06T21:00:01+00:00

there was an issue some months ago where some members were fighting because some RP dude said he was sleeping with married women and some other RP dude didn't like it and of course a mod stepped up and said they don't allow moral criticisms...of the men

This would be a fair criticism if not for the fact that men have to work to get laid. To pass up an opportunity with a married women after presumably working for it, is, while not a demonstration of great character, still makes sense from the perspective of male sexual strategy.

rathyAro · 2016-09-06T21:28:47+00:00

In ideal TRP theory there should be no morality (they openly support dark triad and eschew typical male responsibility like supporting wife and kids). Ideally RPers should look at women objectively without judgment and except them for their nature while playing around it. The issue is that many RPers are still upset about their beliefs in their old paradigm. They are upset because they feel lied to. So they bitch and moan about every bad thing any female has ever done.

I also want to note that while TRP emphasizes how awful women are they don't really praise men very often. They more frequently mock blue pillers and betas in general. They even mock other RPers who aren't RP enough or are too RP.

redmachines · 2016-09-06T16:07:27+00:00

A real misogynist wouldn't break their backs at the office, the bar, and the gym just to get female validation.

SipsSparklingWater · 2016-09-06T15:21:59+00:00

They just want all the good parts of a person and non of the bad parts. It comes in a package. It is also a forum made by "men" for "men".

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Title	TRP is not morally objective or objective in general
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Date	September 6, 2016 3:19 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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