Being a "lone wolf" will absolutely destroy you on the inside, see the value of a social life and acquaintances before it is too late!

JJMcgray · 2016-10-14T03:38:44+00:00

Some of you need to stop thinking your view is the default standard.

Being a lone wolf is fine. Having friends is fine. It's whatever you are happy with. It's your life.

If you personally can't deal with being solo, then that is you and act accordingly. But don't go around telling people they need to have a big social circle to be happy.

OFAFV · 2016-10-14T03:26:35+00:00

While having friends is healthy and all, remember that you cannot count on most of them, if any, when you need it. If you find a friend that actually will, cherish him/her. That is why self improvement is the focus here on TRP. You can always rely on yourself.

Funnily enough, the better you are, the easier it is to make friends. The better your friends (and people in general...) are to you. The better quality of friends you can keep and make.

Besides, "talking to everyone" is good practice for cold approaching. This also helps with fitting in to any crowd you want to. I do not believe you have to try so hard to make friends with everyone. Connections are great for sure but... Have some standards. Remember the saying, you are the average of the people you hang out with.

Ofcourse this depends on what everyone has set as a goal for themselves and is comfortable with. Not everyone likes to party (A shocker for some). I am an introvert, for instance. I do love a good dose of social activities but... You know what I love more? Me time. Especially after parties.

Not saying even introverts should isolate themselves though. They HAVE to get used to that "fakeness" and the drain. I myself love being fake. Its like a game and I am good enough for most to get surprised I call myself an Introvert

You are right that having a social life is great. However for new RPers? I say get your shit together first and go Monk Mode. Worry about it 6-12 months later when your life is in order. Much easier too.

FreeRadical5 · 2016-10-14T02:19:46+00:00

I am going to fully disagree with this one. If you are focusing on your life and your own interests, friends will come as a side benefit. I have always been a loner and till my mid 20s I will admit I was actually lonely. But then I went hard core self improvement mode. The more I improved the more people gravitated towards me. Suddenly every wanted me to come to their parties. Naturally with choice I started to became more selective and only associated with the best people I met. Every year or so I go through this cycle of shedding low quality friends and I end up somehow making even better ones. At this point there is so many that I regretfully have to push away even great friends just to free up my time to continue to grow.

Tl;dr: Friends come dime a dozen when you are focusing on your life. Do not piss away any energy trying to make em.

iektop · 2016-10-14T04:29:45+00:00

I understand the sentiment of the post because I used to think similarly. I don't think most people people here want to be miserably lonely; that's obvious. But being able to spend time alone, without feeling miserable because your BFFs and connections haven't invited you to a party or hang out, is somewhat illuminating.

Being alone per se isn't a good or bad thing: it's good if you have time to yourself, to think, too understand what's going inside your mind. It's bad if you're doing because you read some bullshit post here saying that being a "lone wolf" is cool. And maybe you even start feeling smug about it, and think you're above everyone else (almost live levitating above the rest of us lulz), you're better, etc... when in reality you feel empty inside, like you're rottening.

Man, I will hang out with ANYBODY just as long as I have a good time, not in the stupid YOLO kind of way... but will I hang out or actively seek to hang out with anybody with a pulse just because it's friday night and I'm feeeeeling aloooone and if I go out alone everybody is going to think i'm weeeeeird (read in a whiny girl voice please)? Nope, that would be stupid... That's one of the differences between man and women. Bitches would rather be with people they don't really like just as long as they are in the company of someone than being alone. A guy like me? Meh, who gives a fuck? I fly solo because I choose to when I go to parties; not because I think it's cool... and that doesn't make me any less beta or more alpha...

vengefully_yours · 2016-10-14T15:10:19+00:00

You're saying you can't be alone. Ok. You think that someone is unwilling to learn which is why some of us old guys are lone wolf'in it. You might think differently in 20 years after you've discovered that 99% of the people on the planet are not worthy of your friendship, which is being extremely generous. Think about it, 1% of 7 billion is a fuck ton of people, but the rest, well fuck them.

In my near 50 years I have made five friends who have been worthy of being in my life. My family did not make the cut. Two from the military, two from before, one is a girl from Dubai I was engaged to 25 years ago.

I know a few thousand people all over the world, 350+ per military unit (7 units total, and lots of people I knew in others), and a bunch of car guys that I hang with. 5. Only fucking 5 get to stay, the rest, I do not give a fuck about. They are a means to find parts or get laid. What I've found is most people suck. They're stupid, uninspired, followers.

That's where the difference between you and I resides. You're a follower. The leader, by definition, is out front cutting the trail, and used to being alone on the trail. People will follow almost anyone, like the fuckwits following Forest Gump across the country. It's a nice little example of human nature, because you don't have to be smart, know where you're going, or have any fucking clue, and some twat will follow you wanting to be part of something. They have a need to fit in, most do. Some of us don't.

You do. It's not a problem, it's simply how you are and doesn't make you less of a man. The question for you is how bad do you want to fit in and what will you do to achieve it?

If you're not happier alone, then no you shouldn't be. If you're like me and unable to find many people who don't annoy the fuck out of you in mere minutes, you'd better hey used to being alone.

As for the learning part, I've learned more after 35 than before it, and still learning today. If you stop learning, you're as good as dead.

Solistx · 2016-10-15T08:41:55+00:00

I've spent the better part of the last quarter of the year tossing out friends, both close and distant. Let me tell you, I feel so much better about myself because I'm not trying to appease anyone anymore. I'd rather be alone than have to keep fucking censoring myself on every word, and feel like I'm walking on eggshells with people.

I'll do a little coding, work on my game, perhaps write some music. Occasionally I'll even talk to myself for a few minutes just to get some thoughts out and organize myself.

I don't sit there anymore and fake laugh at people's stupid fucking jokes. I don't sit there anymore listening to other people's mindless hobbies when they wouldn't pay back the common courtesy of listening to mine. I don't worry what these fuckers think of me anymore. Its not because they're fake or some bs like that. News flash, everyone is fucking fake bro. Ever heard of a "first impression"?

I've never had a friend I was 100% truly comfortable w/ & trusted. Very few people's company interests me because frankly, I find most of the people I meet to be fucking boring. Very few seem to be able to hold a conversation about anything that doesn't involve a video game, banging, or doing drugs/drinking.

I've had infinite times more fun and meaningful expierences when I was by myself exploring/observing, than when I was hanging out with some brain dead chump and his girlfriend. Both of whom get revelations when they watch a Prince EA video on some current year propaganda dump fuck.

So yea, Lone Wolf will not destroy you. I'm tired of this faux-psychology on TRP and everywhere in day to day life. There's a reason why actual scientists take a shit on psychology. Its not a hard science and generalizing is too fucking easy in this field. We may not be special snowflakes, but every one of our brains is unique. Your out the ass science does a disservice to everyone.

Besides, life is all about suffering. Perhaps you didnt take into account that some people who are lone-wolves, would rather suffer a lonely existence than be surrounded by inflated ego, neo-humanitarian, entitled dip-shits who think Prince EA is inspiring?

OneRedYear · 2016-10-14T04:25:48+00:00

Older guy,

have friends and enjoy them while you can. People get married, have kids, get bogged down in career, disease, taking care of aging parents...life. Friends drift way over time, only a few will remain.

I used to dj and throw raves. Made a lot of good friends, some of which turned out to be valuable connections that led to jobs and more opportunities. They all drifted off, but we have good memories of good times. I'm glad I spent my 20s out having fun and meeting people. I spent my 30s on some hard times but some of those friends came through for me. It was worth it.

StoicCrane · 2016-10-14T06:52:46+00:00

Weakness. Absolute weakness!!! To be a Red Pill man in an effeminized societal matrix is to be alone!! When will you newbies learn to stop posting nonsense and read the damn side bar. When?!

[deleted] · 2016-10-14T08:06:45+00:00

Some people are fine being loners, some are between the two, and others are social types. It's fine being a loner.

samenrofringslikeLBJ · 2016-10-14T12:52:33+00:00

I´m a loner mostly cause I was raised right, read Kant and others at a young age and just can´t be bothered with the bullshit on my free time. Sure, in the workspace I´ll pretend all these psychopathic, left-wing, wrong-side-of-80/20 assholes are great, but that stops after work. I´ll give you an example: proposed to a bunch of "friends" that we should do a weekly athletic thing beside the gym, maybe join a corporate-league in whatever sport or whatever cause its a great networking and physical activity. Nah, that doesn´t fit with the TV schedule, the "what are people like kanye up to " schedule, etc etc. I ended up joining an evening class for fencing solo instead and met some cool people. But most people are sloths, egotistical, uneducated, dumb, jealous, petty etc. 80/20

Why would i feel bad for missing out on all these cocksuckers?

serael · 2016-10-14T03:22:01+00:00

Agreed wholeheartedly. Find like minded people but they don't need to be at your level, everyone is different. Good friends keep you on track. My circle is my best motivator for lifting, my gym buddy always keeps me pumped and we make sure neither skips out or bitches out on reps. My circle smacks me back into place if I get hung up on a woman, if I skip class, and I do the same. You will always be stronger in a group, the problem is recognizing when a group is conducive to your life choices vs limiting you.

AmazonExplorer · 2016-10-14T06:50:37+00:00

It's not that I want to be lonely, but after 3 full years of having no friends in college, I've gotten used to being alone and I don't know how to make friends. I didn't used to be like this, but now I have social anxiety, I stumble when I talk, I sulk, I keep to myself, I stay up until 2:30 am most days and sleep during the day.

limpingrobot · 2016-10-15T01:54:59+00:00

And if you are over 30, remember that it is NEVER too late to begin anew.

YouReekAh · 2016-10-14T02:12:29+00:00

I just started living with roommates about two months ago since I moved to Baltimore to pursue a masters in biomed at Johns Hopkins, before which I lived with my parents and brother. I was pretty lonely in the latter and didn't see much of my friends often.

I hang out with my friend group about every other day at least, and have interactions with my roommates all the time whom I both like.

It's made quite a big difference in my general well being - when I'm down (which I can be quite severly due to cyclic effects from the meds I'm taking), I can get a pick up quite easily by just going out and seeing people. Even working in groups with them on homework or studying for exams helps.

Your post is definitely making a good point, and I pity anyone who isolates themselves out of some idealized fantasy of someone that "doesn't need or want" other people (because in reality they often do, unless they have the assburgers).

AnnoyingOldGuy · 2016-10-14T08:03:28+00:00

The longer you go by yourself the weirder you get, and the weirder you get the longer you go by yourself. ~ Jim Shepard

I googled it. Guess where I found it? "Lonerwolf.com"

MentORPHEUS · 2016-10-15T06:46:52+00:00

I don't think you fully understand the concept of Sigma male or "lone wolf" archetype.

For reference, an Alpha is an extroverted leader of the group.

A Sigma or Lone Wolf is an introverted leader, who doesn't need a leader, and doesn't want to interact much with others socially. When pressed, a Sigma can and will lead a group or socialize, albeit more on his own terms and for his own needs.

Perhaps you are lumping lone wolf types in with all other non-Alpha types, such as Betas who won't lead and tend to be submissive and followers socially, and socially inept/aspie types who can't lead or socialize.

fantasmas05 · 2016-10-14T06:22:54+00:00

Mate, I'm 35 and consider myself a lone wolf. I have a good circle of close friends but we all live apart. Some are married, in serious relationships and having kids. It's what's happening at our age. We catch up here and there, message/talk every few days and that's fine.

I have no interest in gaining new friends unless they are female and I can fuck them. I have no time to start a new social circle and the problems that come with it. I tend to go a few months in my town, drifting in and out of mini-relationships/plating, just biding my time until I can travel again. That's my purpose.

Lone wolfing is great. I do whatever I want whenever I want. As long as I can create some kind of meaning and happiness in my life, I'm fine. At this point in time I travel internationally 3-4 times a year, go to bars most weeks and attend weddings/parties and shit every month or so. It's fine. It's enough for me.

chahmana · 2016-10-14T03:29:37+00:00

I can't write much here as already a good amount of material has been written on these topics. The only thing which matters to any one of us , including you is that life is fluid. It's not some textbook case study. Not all days are the same, so drawing objective conclusions from you recent past is a bad idea of evaluating any philosophy. In finance its called historical myopia. You need to experiment with different weapons before going to combat, that can be either AR 15 or M4 A1, or any other weapon. You can't just take a Gluck pistol and try practicing with it and then think of surviving any action. Life is pretty much the same, were supposed to learn and add new things to our arsenal. And thankfully, our brothers here help us become a better person. Just like you sergeant and Gunny, who keeps kicking on your ass until the day you become a marine .

OzzyDaGrouch · 2016-10-14T07:43:04+00:00

The true beauty of becoming a real man is the ability to live according to your own opinions. But at the end of the day, we should always try to live in this moment and not in the past or in our feelings. I have loved the ability to be social af with literally anyone. But the past couple of days I'm a little burnt out on it. I'm taking a break from that mindset to focus on myself and my body.

wataDs · 2016-10-14T08:28:07+00:00

As someone who fits as a lonewolf but sees the benefit of having a circle, I agree with this post. I spend the majority of my time alone, but once in a while going out with some friends and being generally rowdy really adds spice to your off time.

tio1w · 2016-10-14T11:20:58+00:00

What sucks even more is that people generally perceive you as weird and low value when you're alone for a long time, and how you're perceived absolutely matters (after all, that is what status is!).

This is the only truthful part of this diatribe. (and a painful one for "lone wolfs")

Everything else is laughably false.

AdventureIsHere · 2016-10-14T12:11:30+00:00

Theres nothing wrong with being alone if you enjoy it and are happy. Some of the most interesting and sociable people I know really like their alone time and have a small circle of friends. You can't force a way of life on someone and tie it to the red pill. Sure benefits exists from socializing and everyone should be able to do it when they need to, but not all the fucking time.

makechangegreatagain · 2016-10-14T12:41:56+00:00

I had a pretty large social circle back when I wasn't doing much with my life other than hanging around friends. But as I got older, I went to college and that began to consume most of my time. My workload is insane and I can't really find the time to go out much on the weekends.

I also learned over time that a lot of my friends didn't respect me. Some of them were shit talkers, some of them had this tendency to just flake on plans last minute without even giving me a heads up etc.. After a while I just got sick of the blatant disrespect and felt like a bitch calling them every weekend to hangout. So I stopped.

Having friends has nothing to do with TRP to me.. I enjoy having friends and socializing, even with blue pill types. But hanging around a crowd who doesn't respect you or your free time can often be as detrimental and isolating as having no friends.

troghin2 · 2016-10-14T14:30:01+00:00

Law 48. Don't be a lone wolf but don't become needy for a social life too.

Hydris · 2016-10-14T14:32:34+00:00

I was quite happy as a lone wolf, I was one for years. Not having a responsibilities/obligations to others, doing what ever the hell i want when ever i want with no one to bother me about it. It's not for everyone. There is no default way of living your life. Now in my late 20s I have more friends and relationships than i used to ever have in my late teens/early 20s. And thats nice too. Both have ups and downs.

BlackVale · 2016-10-14T20:43:38+00:00

What your saying is all well and good and all but some of us lack the social skills to get friends. Advice like just talk and etc won't work because some of us just don't have that personality or are natural introverts. I hope your next posy about this will address this problem some of us have.

TheChadicus · 2016-10-14T20:43:58+00:00

I highly recommend reading the book "Quiet". It makes a fantastic case for why being introverted can be extremely beneficial (for both yourself and society). It goes into detail about how herd-thinking in social situations often dulls critical-thought; and how some of the most astounding inventions & scientific discoveries known to man, have been the direct result of "lone-wolf" introverts brain-storming in complete isolation.

Hell, even Roll Tomassi said something along the lines of "The true test for a man, is how he spends his time alone." in the Rational Male.

While you have some good points, your advice isn't a "one-size-fits-all" cookie-cutter-esque mood that's applicable to everyone.

Ardubinston · 2016-10-14T22:57:56+00:00

When you have autism, you quickly realize that lone wolf is the only way you can live without wanting to off yourself.

Appreciate the advice, but I'll still go lone wolf.

TelemachusRising · 2016-10-14T22:38:32+00:00

...as sexual strategy. That's what the fucking sub is about. As such, "lone wolf" is dogshit; 80's/90's blue pill cinema fodder, "He's so mysterious...." drivel. By all means be enigmatic, but you have to be socially adroit to get women (or any other than alley oops with your sister's friends). Anybody can build an ethos around the path of least resistance and indulging anti-social behavior due to being a misanthrope (understandable) or not inclined to interacting within and intra-groups. What's difficult and what OP is talking about is getting out of that comfort zone and facilitating some shit socially. You sitting by yourself looking oh so enigmatic=SMV 0. You chatting up a group of dudes, leading the conversation, getting chuckles-- raise that SMV by 1500 jigowatts.

iPash · 2016-10-14T02:39:31+00:00

in 2 years ill be reaching 30. I only have one good social circle and thats it. I can easily make new friends but I have trouble keeping them. Can you give me tips on where to meet new people and how to keep them without being creepy?

SomeGuyNY · 2016-10-14T03:41:30+00:00

If you're in a big city like NYC with lots of foot traffic you don't really need friends to get laid, even above 30 (which I am).

I'm a social loner though. I meet people at parties all the time but it's rare for me to stay in touch long term, as both of you don't tend to offer super much value to each other, especially when the other person is moving somewhere else (the turnover is just crazy).

I see most people as giant time sucks and meeting focused people where both of you see a mutual benefit for staying in touch long term is kinda rare for me.

richardguy · 2016-10-14T04:06:40+00:00

I have to agree with this one, most of it.

I always thought of myself as "that guy". Up until I was 19 I never spent time around anyone- it wasn't until a year or two after my first break up that spending two weeks without human contact I was desperately lonely and went to bed with a pain in my chest from all of my anxiety.

It wasn't until this year that I realized I was wrong about myself. I enjoy social contact- I'm just not good at it, and now I'm suffering for it.

AceBenedict23 · 2016-10-14T05:32:23+00:00

Random observation. Every time I log into TRP or AskTRP I see this same user with a new thread posted. I don't think a day has gone by in the last month where as I'm casually scrolling through I don't see a new thread.

No hate, I'm just curious. How can you practice what you're preaching, being a very social creature, while (assuming you work full time and also have the time to write out so many detailed threads.)?

On top of working out, handling other responsibility etc. I also have to disagree completely with this post. If you hit the self-improvement avenue, and have even average social skills, friends will come and everyone you need will be there.

studentbodyright · 2016-10-14T08:33:41+00:00

Two thumbs up man.

There is a lot of good material shared on personal development on TRP, but don't become hyper-focused. I feel bad for those 'alpha lone wolves' who are on the extreme end of the spectrum. David Foster Wallace has an incredible speech on people becoming caught up with themselves: This is Water

You will get set in your ways and before you know it, you will become that weird and strange guy who creeps out women and is laughed at by most other people.

As you stated, if you isolate to a certain degree you will begin to feel alone. Then you'll get angry because there is this negative feeling inside. But how can that be? You are so alpha? You are so strong from lifting? You bang everything? At this point stubbornness will take over and you'll head farther down the lone wolf path over the years, then people 100% forget about you because there is no altruistic interaction coming from your end, then you're old and it's too late to form a true friend circle because let's face it old people have been developing these for years and are focused on their grandchildren or something, then you die and it's all over.

Like most things in life, there needs to be a healthy balance. I love the moments of personal achievement and growth. But I also love the moments when I look back and see group pictures, and we're laughing our asses off, and not one of us has the term 'alpha' or 'beta' on the mind.

tb87670 · 2016-10-14T04:23:35+00:00

I was a lone wolf for many years. Introverted nature, social anxiety as a teen really bad. PTSD in my early 20's didn't help with my social life. There was at least one time a week during those years I would sort of howl at the moon of a sort, not literally but on the inside I would be sitting in the garage sipping a drink and realize even though I hate crowds I was lonely.

Guess what? I didn't need friends, still don't need them. It's nice. Don't need them. I can make friends easily, people like talking with me. I'm much more social now post-TRP too. If I feel like making new friends I'd make a concerted effort to do so. Right now I'm making an effort to smash pussy and make more money because those are higher up on my personal mission priorities.

Jaxx_Teller · 2016-10-14T05:24:26+00:00

It is a polarizing subject. I think from a place of self-interest, having lots of acquaintances actually allows you to have an expansive social network, giving way to lots of opportunities and good times. The true brotherhood bonds aren't always what they are cracked up to be. People change and move on, and many times they end up disappointing you in the long run, especially if you are under the impression that you can rely on them for things. It is rare for meaningful relationships with friends to last forever, in which you rely on each other for one's help/support.

Something always happens, which either leads them apart from each other, or their relationship changes in one way or another. Close acquaintances might actually be the best type of friendships, in my opinion. At least I think that is my personal preference.

sinkmyteethin · 2016-10-14T06:56:59+00:00

Thank you. Sometimes I have more fun and feel much better when I find a cool guy to talk to. Makes the night more enjoyable than knowing I chased some girls. Having friends is awesome. I found that when I stopped judging people on their behaviour, goals, motivation etc I had a better time with them.

VicVineger16 · 2016-10-14T07:53:50+00:00

Wow. Dude. Not a single time in your post did you mention having sex. This a subreddit for sexual strategy, and I don't think you have one.

"Social Lives" are for women. I don't have one. I have passions, bitches I fuck, and sometimes I sleep.

ArthurVonL · 2016-10-14T08:26:15+00:00

I lost you at "what you think can destroy me".

ShouldersofGiants127 · 2016-10-14T14:23:36+00:00

Stop trying to tell me what to do unless you're paying my bills.

dickinlipss · 2016-10-14T15:18:22+00:00

This is a fantastically timed post for me. I've been shedding my lone wolf ness and finding the benefits of being social. We are social people. It's easy to realize how important it is after many girls being initially attracted to you and then losing interest and going to more social people.

feminists_are_dumb · 2016-10-14T15:33:26+00:00

After college, I went all out and did all I can in a big city to make new friends (a post on that coming later).

LOL. Hopefully OP comes through with that, because it would basically be the only useful information in here.

_LoneWolf37 · 2016-10-14T15:51:09+00:00

Then I have a question for you, however before that I need to note that I want somewhat of a social life at least with good friends, now as for the question.

How is it that all my life I've been treated by people with complete utmost contempt? I am not a model, neither am I that ugly, I look normal. I am not aggressive or violent, however I do not have many friends, I hangout with a small number of people (2-3). I have never been given a chance to socialize with people, they've outcast me without knowing me or have given any chance to meet me.

I am a 15 year old teenager now, I apologize for saying a life story but my question involves it.

Every damn fucking time I bring it up and ask about it, people tell me "Don't you think you're the problem huh?"

"Well why don't you take the other person's perspective? See why he thinks it's fun to joke about you, see why he looks at you with disgust" as if I have never thought so all my life as a kid and even til now, it's only the damn moment I fucking get out of it and self pity and criticism that they come telling me "stay thinking like that, you're always the problem" to keep control of me, so if that's your answer, I heard it before.

"Oh you're so victimizing, you think you're such a victim huh? Say that to the kids in Africa starving to death, to the kids in Syria *continues irrelevant lecture about completely different situations"

Being a "lone wolf" is tough, but it dosent mean it would break you, human beings have the CAPABILITY to be social, but it is not a must.

It's like, people decide who you are and who you will become, it's like people do what they want to do with you and that's the utter truth to them, that I was born to have no choice. Then I go and look at YouTube, seeing all these people like Prince EA and "Charlie" from Charisma University promote freedom of thought, choice, creating your own career and being who you are and a better version of who you are, yet the people I'm talking about would place me as an "exception" to all these things that the 2 examples preach.

Fucking pisses me off, the amount of reasonless hatred, contempt, arrogance and bullshit towards me is absurd, what the fuck.

Even my own fuckjng family (I'm the youngest, my siblings are 10 years older than me), tell me shit like "Oh but you can't be that", especially my sister (She's known to be a jealous person), she'd come up with every fucking criticism about me yet whenever I say something contradictive to what she says, the reply is "Just shut the fuck up you just wanna argue because you think you know everything"

Let the world burn in hell.

_Insidious_ · 2016-10-14T16:15:37+00:00

I'll take porn and hookers anyday over some piece of shit friends who are worthless.

jackandjill22 · 2016-10-14T16:49:14+00:00

Always value your perspectives & well-written posts. Thanks again.

Kafkaevsky · 2016-10-14T17:13:32+00:00

What is wrong with people here, you were a beta loner and now you want to be an alpha loner. Fucking hell!

TheYeti01 · 2016-10-14T18:06:11+00:00

I always view it as unfair how we have to "Fight like hell" as OP put it just to get into some social scene. While women have it so much easier and basically just need to exist to be in a social circle.

Paradigmond · 2016-10-14T18:28:38+00:00

I'm only 25 and I am face to face with this fear that I will never have a social life. I didn't even try when I came to college. I thought that friendship had to be 100% genuine and expected people to come befriend me. I started hating weekends, and usually spent them alone listening to podcasts. Of course, I didn't get laid. I lost my virginity at 24 and have only fucked black hookers for $40 and $60 dollars. My whole life has deteriorated. Not only do I feel stupid in social settings, I feel dumber in school as well. Everything is hard for me to learn now, because I've never really learned directly from teachers. My lack of emotional intelligence has constrained everything. I'm slowly adopting the habits we preach on here, but I am largely just a vessel of antisocial thoughts now. If this doesn't scare others into socializing I don't know what will.

GosuBen · 2016-10-14T18:34:25+00:00

That's a pretty hard hitting and understandable post. I would agree with you. We're social animals, it's hard to deny.... and we might agree that superior social skills are learnt by frequent socialising, not going 'lone wolf'.

That said, I think trying to be hard to be social and being rejected through lack of 'worth/value', or being seen as the bottom rung in a group is a terrible thing for someone to go through, especially over an extended period of time

I know a few people that are openly considered 'low value' but aren't lacking social groups, and have highly active social lives... and in most cases they end up being treating fairly badly by 'friends';Constantly getting used for lifts, constantly being the target of banter/group in jokes and the target of back stabbing (amongst many many others). And all the while said person is trying to treat people nicely and contribute to the group.

Quite often the people in these positions find themselves being held back from self improvement, either by discouragement, crab in bucket syndrome, or simply being encouraged to spend time poorly when they could be focusing their efforts on themselves.

For someone who has low self worth, and is easily preyed upon, I'd say they need to seek validation from themselves before they attempt to seek gratification & validation from others. Otherwise, they'll always be a victim.

I guess its a balancing act.

mickey__ · 2016-10-14T21:45:23+00:00

I did this mistake, no i'm paying price

ninjapurplerare · 2016-10-14T23:36:06+00:00

In what concerns you much , do not think that you have companions, know that you are alone in the world. -Thoreau

Novembercriminal · 2016-10-15T04:48:45+00:00

Between university and work I have very little time for socializing like I used to. It's a choice I make and has nothing to do with not wanting to do something fun with others.

coolsilver · 2016-10-16T23:56:40+00:00

I see introversion something different than being a lone wolf. One can very much be introverted be fine in many ways. The difference in a lone wolf and a red pilled introverted man is goals and methods of introspection.

A lone wolf would indeed tear themselves down. They might feel that they aren't accepted or welcome in conventional social norms. Often you could put all this in the beta, blue pilled world of being rejected and unable to take control of what you can. They sit around, don't socialize at all if they don't outright reject any notion of it. All the while they will act like the lost dog orbiter that would do anything for attention when in their social circle.

A red pilled introverted man will have frame. They will accept their outside role. They use it to work on themselves. A lot of times these are the masterminds within your social group. They hold a cornerstone, being more reserved but the alpha resource such as when planning an event. They might even float among other groups and taking time for themselves while on the edge of the social activity. They don't need the social interaction but they don't need to be the center of attention to hold social status or power. Even so a introverted person like this may not look to go out with bros.

Both situations the man could have few to no good friends. This may or may not be a product of their introversion. One could claim a true lone wolf is one that can stand on their own frame and control their own way.

1Maverick1 · 2016-10-19T03:21:28+00:00

Well I think you are taking the whole "lone wolf" term to its extreme. To me a masculine presence is adventurous enough to want and go explore the world for itself. It will busy itself with things that interests it. However, the "wolf" also belongs to a "pack" and it will share experiences with it or even "hunt" with it. Thus, it's really a balance. I'm not sure what triggered your emphasis on making friends but it might be a bit overzealous. If anything really I think you are trying to say is:

tl;dr Make sure you make friends when the opportunity presents itself. Also, don't forget to take time and meditate on life as there are moments you will cherish that only you were able to experience on your own.

thisornothing · 2016-10-20T00:01:16+00:00

To any guys in the late-end of their twenties or early thirties - it's not too late. Move somewhere more exciting. Do things that initially make you feel awkward. You can build the social life you want, and you can fill it with friends that do nothing but enrich your life.

At 28, I was close to suicide - loner, beta, used and fucked over by women. Now, I don't even recognise that guy.

You can adjust your life however the fuck you want. You just need to actually do it.

hahayeahthatscool · 2016-10-20T21:49:32+00:00

The constant up keep required to maintain friendships make it not worth the while for me. Though I do have a few close friends who don't mind me dropping by every other year. Other than that, people are just loud.

limpingrobot · 2016-10-14T20:15:06+00:00

I generally keep to myself because I find that most folks interact by mocking, and I don't like being mocked.

WarriorsSpaceship · 2016-10-15T01:10:28+00:00

most male friendships are extraordinarily homoerotic and co-dependent. It's embarrassing

straittripping · 2016-10-19T13:52:46+00:00

absolutely backwards post. you do need brothers, those are the only type of friends that a man does need.

you don't need a huge social circle of acquaintances, you need a circle of associates. i'm not saying to isolate yourself. if going out and being social feels like work for you, then treat it like work. networking is essential to professional success in any field, socializing is easier and more rewarding when you have a business motivation for what you're doing. the trick is not letting that overshadow your personality and presence.

Tweakfix · 2016-10-14T04:45:23+00:00

Being constantly alone murders your soul and social skills. Take it from me.

-IIIII--------IIIII- · 2016-10-14T10:59:50+00:00

The social game's rigged against me, I'm 5'8" and I have a myriad of mental illnesses from a fucked up childhood.

For some people, being a lone wolf is the most viable option. And a wolf doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep.

clear_lights · 2016-10-15T08:35:08+00:00

Why the fuck was thread this upvoted so much? Being a "lone wolf" is absolutely fine - you don't fucking need people or girls if you focus on yourself. They come to you.

Everyone here google "Girl is in a relationship with a wealthy alpha that maintains impeccable frame and doesn’t put up with her shit tests. She feels neglected and hurt "

It had 1000 upvotes in this same sub. Dude was a lone wolf and he has absolutely no problems.

Title	Being a "lone wolf" will absolutely destroy you on the inside, see the value of a social life and acquaintances before it is too late!
Author	ShallITinder
Upvotes	259
Comments	162
Date	October 14, 2016 2:05 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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