Don't Fall Into the NoFap Trap.

Fnaut3187 · 2017-01-17T08:26:45+00:00

As you mentioned balance is the key. There are some Fapstranauts who advice investing your time in productive habits like reading, meditation, working out, etc. which is exactly similar to TRP.

Moreover, porn is not natural. If one is having orgasms by watching some other people have sex, he has to realize something is wrong.

faudeywauda · 2017-01-17T15:21:27+00:00

Try masturbating without porn. Remove your phone from the room. See how hard it is to even get it up, nevermind finish. If this is you, you have a problem. NoPorn is the most important aspect of NoFap imo, as the accessibility and perversions of modern day porn is the root cause of excessive masturbation. Everyone should at least remove it from their life. Masturbation is at the end of the day natural, albiet in moderation, but porn is something wholly alien to our psyche's.

GentlemenMindset · 2017-01-17T16:09:27+00:00

I NoFap. Here are some benefits:

Morning erections harder than the rock holding Excalibur.

Increased energy in the gym to crush more reps/higher weights.

You start to look at women like pieces of meat and ironically treat them that way subconsciously.

Instant erections during sexytime with a plate/LTR/ONS. (I've had a couple tell me wow I can't believe you're this hard this quick as they proceed to gush)

If you're a beginner at game and you're not ready to shoot for 7+, NoFap sets realistic standards in your mind and allows you to have great sex with 5s and 6s while maintaining a rock hard erection. Couple that with no porn and she'll think you're a god.

Increased discipline.

Here are the downsides:

Sometimes lose focus as you think about rubbing one out for quite a while.

May be extremely sensitive if you've gone for a while and you decide to have physical contact.

I follow Kat Williams rule: before you're about to go out and get laid, let the first one out.

Do it to no porn, take your time, and treat it as a journey, not trying to get to the end product.

Hope this helps.

79811996 · 2017-01-17T16:14:07+00:00

After fap i'm nervous peace of shit, my voice is higher, confidence falls down, get few acne pimples on my face, can't keep up the smalltalk at work, my bodylanguage is weak at all. When i'm on two weeks streak my face shines, my voice and body language is confident, people respect it more in general. I relapsed on last friday using porn and personally I feel more like a man, than fapping once a week without. Seeing some naked piece of ass makes me more horny. But as mentioned before, the key is not to overdo fapping, because you'll transform into androgynus aspie introvert beta.

Salted_Pretzel · 2017-01-17T16:15:47+00:00

What I recently realized with nofap(as well as other things) is that; you have this amazing energy, you're mind is less foggy, you are willing to be more bold, the "superpowers" that Nofap users believe. However with that "power" comes with a price. Constant urges and discipline. The voice in your head tells you and try to convince you that you need to masterbate. The voice gets suppressed the longer you do NoFap. Any thought can snowball into something greater and then your four faps deep looking at older Milfs and wondering how you ever found this hot. NoFap is a great tool but has risk as well.

Paladin2903 · 2017-01-17T08:23:50+00:00

Agreed. If you completely abstain, you're going to go absolutely batshit crazy. Moderation, moderation, moderation.

Penguin327 · 2017-01-17T13:35:53+00:00

It occurred because I went out and fucking got it.

I think the thing with Nofap is that it restores your desire to get out there and do productive shit. Nofap isn't supposed to turn you into the shredded alpha who is at the top of his class, but the energy and motivation to do so. You still have to put the work in regardless to achieve what you want to achieve.

Personally, when I'm on Nofap I tend to wake up earlier and less groggy. The first thing on my mind is what can I do that is productive.

King-Macbeth · 2017-01-17T15:32:55+00:00

You're general point is correct; moderation is key.

If my girlfriend and I are planning to stay in a hotel room during the weekend, I won't masturbate during the week leading up to it. I'm going crazy and I unleash all of my sexual energy on her which leads to amazing sex.

However, I won't go longer than a week. Masturbation is healthy and NoFap has become a near religion.

riffermaddness · 2017-01-17T13:19:59+00:00

I've been reading a lot of NoFap stuff on here. I'm am neither for or against it.

One thing I will argue is you need that Condition 1 Weapon in your pants, loaded, chambered, on safe. It will drive you out of your comfort zone in order to satisfy that desire.

It's a balance. If you're creaming your boxers at night like a 12 year old during puberty because you haven't fapped in 2 months, you're doing it wrong. Rub one out once and a while and reset.

chillledoutnumber · 2017-01-17T14:58:49+00:00

I think the main perk about nofap is that if you can do it, then you can do far more with your life. It's like quitting hard drugs with just sheer willpower.

I'm only trying out nofap to see if my voice will change.

CavemanDeluxe · 2017-01-17T22:28:14+00:00

''It occurred because I went out and fucking got it.'' Ever considered that this drive might have been a benefit of NoFap

Also as mentioned, NoFap is more about NoPorn then anything, dopamine level etc..

Koryphae_ · 2017-01-17T12:26:54+00:00

I think there were some studies suggesting that if people start out watching normal porn they will soon move to the freaky stuff because the normal porn will not make them feel good any more. I believe that is the infamous 'fast dopamine release' trap which our society has fallen into. So I think not watching it at all might be good idea.

alexman91 · 2017-01-17T12:58:36+00:00

nofap have become a religious cult. the point of it is to quit the porn addiction. guys can fap 5 times a day which is unhealthy. also porn messes up your head. its fine fapping once a week to your own fantasy. the first weeks of nofap is just to cure the dopamine sensitivity.

Gay4Pancakes · 2017-01-18T19:03:45+00:00

I'm not a NoFap zealot, but I do practice it. Here are a few reasons why:

I prefer sex, and when I masturbate I don't feel good about myself the way I do after I have sex.

I have an image of myself that I want to maintain, and a guy sitting home alone masturbating isn't part of that image.

Now that I don't do it, I feel more at ease about my social life. It's just an unnecessary guilt that I put on myself. Something that is so deeply about yourself you can't share it with anyone, and that makes it feel like a dirty secret.

If I want to have sex, I have to try to interact with women. This gives me a drive. It makes me way my options, and work on myself to get women I actually want. I've been so horny I've had sex with women I don't even like, and that's not something I want to do. Not masturbating helps me learn more about myself with these types of situations. It'e raising my standards.

I admire other men and strive to be like them. I can't picture these men that are my role models sitting around masturbating in their free time. I picture them conquering the world. Take Sean Connery as an example. Do you think he spent every night jerking off?

I believe in NoFap to improve my masculinity which is becoming more and more important to me in life.

SeedGoose · 2017-01-17T21:40:09+00:00

I've gone over 250 days without any form of sexual release and it sucked the life out of me. I unsubscribed NoFap because it became a cult and there was just too much negative influence in the form of beta males blaming everything but themselves for their failure to build some discipline. I now masturbate around 2 times a month, sometimes less. It keeps up the sexual drive while simultaneously draining the system. I haven't gone back to porn though, and I'd advise anyone who is thinking about going back to refrain from doing so. That shit is toxic and fucks with your brain.

p_121 · 2017-01-18T04:39:08+00:00

While I agree with your message overall, I would like to add that I believe there is a bit of biological "magic" that helps you get laid just from quitting masturbation.

When you masturbate, you are basically tricking your brain into thinking you have had sex. When you do this, why would you want to get with any girls to have sex? If you're already uncomfortable around girls or have anxiety, than masturbating literally gives you no reason to go out of your comfort zone to try and get laid because your sexual cravings are satisfied by yourself.

When you stop yourself from masturbating, then you literally have no choice but to go out and talk to girls in order to sexually satisfy yourself. Your body is going to be working with you instead of against you, and it basically forces you to go out and try to get laid.

stumje · 2017-01-17T06:55:34+00:00

agree but is much more better if you did semen retention

Sinth42 · 2017-01-17T16:02:01+00:00

I have to say that giving up PMO certainly was among my best decisions. I agree with you that not jerking off is not all you have to in order to grow as a person but it is a key element. Fapping/porn releases dopamine you normally acquire only through sport/food/sex. You are basically making your brain lazy. You are teaching it that it can get this extreme stimulation but do nothing, which is what I did for many years. I am on my 120+ day. I stopped obsessing about counting my days so much cause now it's a part of my personality. I actually stopped watching porn about 2 weeks ago. I do not want this cheap dopamine anymore. I realised how empty I was and where I was heading and also that my testosterone was shit. I am 100% sure I would be one not even beta piece of shit right now if I had not resisted my urges. But the main point of this comment is that YOU WON'T GROW IF YOU GET EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING. Cheap dopamine = No growth!

judo_ftw · 2017-01-17T17:26:03+00:00

I'm not a fan of porn, as my post history suggests, but if you kids want to know something even more important, practice your fucking kegels while young. I'm just starting at 44 after years of decline.

ManChooses · 2017-01-17T17:26:13+00:00

There is truth to what you're saying. For me, I've noticed almost immediately while abstaining from porn and masturbation that I have more energy generally, and that energy helps me to do the things I actually want. You gotta ride that test high

Normally I would be jerking off with porn in the morning upon waking and at night before bed. When I do this, I honestly feel lethargic 95% of the time. But like you said, abstaining for too long is also bad, I get too focused on wanting to get laid that it's distracting. So the plan is to jerk off once a week without porn

Compeliminator · 2017-01-17T17:59:37+00:00

if you arent getting regular sex its good to masturbate atleast once a week to keep your prostate healthy. im prone to prostatitis. my problem is the opposite of most of you. i just dont want to fuck with it.if i wake up with a hard on most of the time i just ignore it untill it goes away. ive allways been like this and i frequently wonder what is wrong with me that i have no desire to do that. i could make the excuse that im older but it was no different when i was younger. i have to be with a woman im attracted to in order to want to have sex otherwise i just dont give a shit. wish i did

chooseaburner · 2017-01-17T19:10:41+00:00

As with any addiction if you are not planning how to replace that void your life now has, you're planning to become an addict again. Maybe not to the same thing, but to something. Many people who get their stomachs stapled as a last-ditch to make them lose weight, for example, fall into alcoholism because the underlying issue was never addressed.

Nofap is like virginity. The perception is worse than the reality, the more self conscious you are about it, the worse it becomes. Nine times out of ten your 'addiction' is actually just you being a lazy fuck who can't be arsed to fill a day.

uniquevoid · 2017-01-17T20:06:35+00:00

For me one fap a week in the shower (no porn) is working wonders. Now I get turned on more by irl women and I wake up with a nice bone

Swole_is_life · 2017-01-17T23:17:44+00:00

Agreed, what helps guys is likely not the removal of masturbation but rather procrastibation. Lots of men watch porn and jerk off out of boredom more than anything and when you're bored is when you should be finding ways to improve yourself.

bastardstepchild · 2017-01-18T00:30:17+00:00

Doesn't abstaining cause prostate cancer, too?

__ROOSTER__ · 2017-01-18T01:48:07+00:00

I'm confused. When did anyone say nofap was some magic that would change everything?

Strawman

redolas · 2017-01-18T03:10:26+00:00

Why only Americans think that porn is bad for you? I'm sure we can find some ad campaign which is at the source of this. I'd like to know who paid the money for it. I'm sure there will be some feminist/globalist tycoon hiding there.

If you learned anything on TRP, you should realize that the sexually frustrated male is a lot easier to manipulate than the one that is happy. Prostitutes are illegal, porn is bad for you, masturbation is disgusting. Be nice and pay for your girlfriend. Then marry her when she's ready, and wait for further instructions.

That is NOT what we learn/teach here.

emeraldlock · 2017-01-18T08:25:01+00:00

I figured some guys from NoFap would also be in this sub haha

PissedPajamas · 2017-01-18T17:14:58+00:00

Porn rewires the pleasure circuits in your head. Dopamine receptors become desensitized and you'll need porn more often just to feel good about life. The highs get higher and the lows get lower but you're never at balance, I'm speaking from experience as a past addict. I killed that vice and my motivation improved ten fold. I still jack it sometimes but I'm a happier and more self-disciplined now.

Of course this was only part of the self improvement puzzle. Eating healthy, working out 5x a week and sleep hygiene has helped the most. As a matter of fact, cutting out caffeine past 1pm and limiting my workouts to intense 45mins sessions did more for my life than no fap ever has.

SW9876 · 2017-01-18T17:35:05+00:00

The problem with r nofap is that the people there are the scum of the earth. Most of them can't make it a week without fapping, but constantly talk about how their relapse has made them stronger while continuously repeating the same behavior. Talk about pathetic.

sepelion · 2017-01-18T22:37:34+00:00

Blowing a load once per week is the sweetspot. Ideally with a woman, but if not, jerk off.

Sex is an anomaly in the fact that it is a requirement for a good life, but at the same time it also must be something on the backburner; a side-effect of everything else going on.

When sex becomes the front-burner, then depression and other nasty shit crops up, because it lacks the certainty of things like lifting weights and getting fitter, or building some other sort of skill in which the variable you're manipulating (your body in fitness, a piano in learning to play, etc) doesn't react autonomously. Women do, they have hormones, they have personal tastes, they have ideals, and they can be thrown off of you for the silliest small things.

For all of these reasons, the only way to not go nuts is to treat sexuality as "if it happens, it happens, if not, next." All women are used today anyways, the moment you blow your cum in her or on her, you're no Christopher Columbus on new territory, you're just another fucking guy riding on a bike path a dozen others have.

The greatest value a woman can offer you "intimately" -- that they covet and try so hard to market -- is really a car with a dozen previous owners; or more. While that doesn't affect the materialistic reality of "tightness" necessarily, it does affect the reality that she's not going to appreciate you intimately, and that's a pretty shitty feeling, knowing you're "just another." That's compounded by the reality that her feelings were probably more intense for some previous guy, when she was "fresher" psychologically, rather than the heart-scarred pincushion -- who have less capacity with each poke to retain pins -- all women are by their mid-20's.

People chasing that "new love" feeling are deluding themselves into overvaluing it for something more than it is: it's nothing more than the reality that you don't want to go to the same restaurant ten times in a row, and while "that pizza was awesome, let's get that again," eventually -- maybe not the 2nd or 3rd time in a row you order that pizza -- eventually, you'll be saying "fuck that let's get wings today." It's the raw psychology that everything gets boring with repetition.

Even my college biology teacher -- a post-wall solid 7 -- opened with her first line to me "my marriage hasn't been going so well this past year" in our first private convo. Hearing that from a college teacher, well, all I could think was "how many students have you been dicked by?"

If only we could speak unfiltered in the real world.

AkKURTI · 2017-01-17T16:52:33+00:00

I agree that quitting masturbation shouldn't matter as long as you do it like once/twice a week and not a day. Porn, however will well and truly fuck you up. It changes the wiring in the brain and dulls you.

First time I tried nofap, I didn't jerk off for 5 whole months and it was horrible. Then I decided to just quit Porn completely and it was less than a quarter of that time before I started feeling great and had more drive than I ever had before.

AshByFeel · 2017-01-18T03:51:39+00:00

No fap? People actually do this? If you're having sex every day you don't need to, so I get that, but 90 days without getting off? That's just making yourself a weak, pitiful man.

yummyluckycharms · 2017-01-18T07:16:20+00:00

No fap = sterility and lower sperm counts.

Really - its a total mystery how the nofap circle jerk keeps going when there are little benefits to it unless you are prone to addiction.

MGTOWtoday · 2017-01-18T08:35:09+00:00

I'm not gonna lie, I fap fairly regularly, but I'd like to see some real hard evidence that looking at porn is in any way harmful at all. I've come across this argument before outside TRP, and it's typically just Christian fundies try to talk up their religion or traditionalism with the worst pseudoscience I've ever seen. If you really think looking at naked girls is psychologically damaging, then I think someone better have some damn good evidence for this, because in case you haven't noticed, you can find porn everywhere on the web, and I haven't seen the apocalypse going on outside. I actually see a lot of positives about porn. It's probably making guys less horny and less angry, so crime rates are down and guys are less likely to become a blue pill mangina and put up with women's nonsense. I read an article a while back that side that millennials are having the least amount of sex out of any generation since the 1940's, and the result is that we finally have some real push back against feminism. I have my doubts the Manosphere would have emerged without porn.

circlhat · 2017-01-18T15:23:03+00:00

NoFap is a attempt to gain control of men, men seem to have a issue with complex emotions and tend to error on the side of female.

Let me explain, a woman wants a man to quit looking at porn, man goes online reads pseudo science and believes porn is causing relationship problems.

Man stops looking at porn, girl breaks up with him and goes to chad thunder cock anyway.

Jamal-RedPill · 2017-01-18T16:12:13+00:00

nofap only works for porn addicts. There is no reason to deny the penis an occasional orgasm though. I've experimented with it several times and I can say for certain that after ~90 days you can actually FEEL your testosterone drop. You become introverted, home-dwelling, soft, non-confrontational. Literally all of the things that masturbation was supposedly doing to you. "all or nothing" mindset is unbalanced and stupid.

ArkAngelEV · 2017-01-18T18:53:18+00:00

Only the stupid deal in absolutes

Title	Don't Fall Into the NoFap Trap.
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