Feminists throw Joss Whedon under the bus: Beloved creator of Buffy and Firefly is, apparently secretly a dude.

JP_Whoregan · 2014-09-11T19:09:06+00:00

We need to seriously, seriously stop direct linking to websites like these. It's getting fucking out of hand.

From the "About Us" of that website:

The Mary Sue sits at the nexus of pop culture and the uncharted universe. We love and live geek culture, comic book movies, genre television, space exploration, emerging technologies, the coolest video games, and the weirdest finds on the internet. We promote, watchdog, extoll, and celebrate women’s representation in all of these areas and work to make geekdom safe and open for women.

This place is an Anita Sarkeesian wet dream, and TRP is literally feeding them money with clicks. Learn the art of donotlink.com.

If you wanna financially support women, go stuff a dollar bill in a stripper's asscrack. At least you're getting the lapdance for your money.

anonlymouse · 2014-09-11T17:22:27+00:00

And that's why I like Buffy.

Of course if you want to present it that way, you can, but that's what happens when you make a balanced show where everyone has strengths and flaws.

No character was perfect, each main character had strengths (even Xander from the start was socially the most adept), and each female character had a male equivalent (Buffy & Angel/Spike, Willow & Giles, Cordelia/Anya & Xander). So if you subscribe to the dictionary definition of feminism, it absolutely was feminist. Whedon showed strong female characters by comparing them to strong male characters - as opposed to Xena which could only make Gabrielle look strong by bringing in Joxer to be her object of abuse - which is what you would expect equality to be.

She's right, Whedon's not a feminist in the sense of what feminism actually is. He's an egalitarian. Feminist media can only have flawless women and only have men who are entirely flawed. Anything more balanced is misogyny.^TM

BetterToBeFeared · 2014-09-11T17:43:27+00:00

Your gender must really have it good in our society when you start complaining about a dude who makes shows where the women kick ass and take names.

Silverbacked · 2014-09-11T17:45:24+00:00

Can't help noticing she doesn't mention the first show Whedon was a writer on. It was 'Roseanne'

trudatness · 2014-09-11T21:25:31+00:00

Feminists will always drive a bus over their white knight supporters.

Always.

Why?

Because they hate men. No matter how much you kiss their ass, they're still going to hate you.

Inevitably time comes for every white knight when they become the low hanging fruit for a feminist to unload on. When that happens, they become the target of feminist hatred for all men.

2014-09-11T17:36:32+00:00

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areyousrslol · 2014-09-11T18:32:42+00:00

It's always fun to see feminists throw their own under the bus. Like recently, one girl falsely accusing Max Temkin of rape was all it took for the walls to come down on him.

It's pretty sweet.

87GNX · 2014-09-11T18:55:45+00:00

I have to say I like Whedon's female characters.

Yes, they're strong women who kick ass and take names. But they all remain resolutely feminine. Kayley's room on the Firefly has a girly hand-lettered sign with her name on it, Inara is a whore who went to whore school and fully understands the SMP/MMP, and Zoe, even while being the "strong independent" self-identified bitchy woman, doesn't ballbust her man. She's a cunt but she clearly respects him.

I wouldn't necessarily call the show "red pill," but the women are decent role models.

HeadingRed · 2014-09-11T18:55:33+00:00

If there ever was an example of the "never happy meal" this is it. This guy writes and puts a ton of really tough, smart, ass kicking women in everything he does. So-

Step 1 - write\direct\produce a string of critically and\or publicly well received shows and movies, each of which has balanced strong male and female leads.

Step 2 - Admit you like pretty girls

Step 3- Hamsters engage. Set weapons to "destroy career"

kick6 · 2014-09-11T19:59:12+00:00

I can only comment on firefly as it's the only show she comments on that I've seen, but holy fuck does she get things amazingly fucking wrong. I'm actually Anchorman-impressed at how her ideology has so warped her perception of things that she could write such a steaming pile of dairrhea. Prostitution is the highest job for a woman in Firefly? Did she even fucking WATCH the goddamn show? Mal mocks Inara endlessly for it.

ChuckBlizzy · 2014-09-11T18:46:04+00:00

This "Nice Guy" link was more offensive to me than the first article. It's almost like they're saying, "It's so childish, stupid, and offensive of you to generalize about women. I can't even believe anybody would do something like that, what is wrong with you?... but since you you did it I'm going to make a bunch of generalizations about men and everyone needs to cheer for me."

Whisper · 2014-09-11T21:38:12+00:00

Feminism always eventually turns on even the most compliant and submissive of male "allies".

That's because feminism is a simple equation. "Construing an injustice" == "power". The more "injustice" they can find, the more power they have. In fact, feminists are more inclined to pick on "allies" than us horrible, horrible misogynists. Why? Because the only weapon they have is whining, and that doesn't work on us.

So, the more they use their weapon, the more power they have, and the more vulnerable their target of choice, the more power they have.

Being an "ally" is therefore the best way to maximize your expectation of being targeted by feminist criticism. This is why feminists attack the tech community non-stop, and keep their pie-holes shut about Saudi Arabia.

Of course, feminism would be doom the moment a large portion of men woke up to the fact that it's more dangerous to be feminism's friend than its enemy.

RPstudent · 2014-09-11T19:51:24+00:00

Paraphrasing the wisdom of the Joker:

These feminized people - they'll eat each other

23490865243879526487 · 2014-09-11T17:09:06+00:00

Probably relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57tXyqPCOCM&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A

Brudus · 2014-09-11T19:56:15+00:00

Do since buffy wasn't an all powerful God and her enemies weren't laid low by the power of her vagina whedon is a shit lord.

Patriarchysaurus · 2014-09-11T21:56:53+00:00

Isn't this par the course for "allies"?

They're useful tools, to be disposed of when they are no longer useful or prove inconvenient.

pick-a-spot · 2014-09-11T17:22:10+00:00

Even other feminists are calling the author out on her bullshit;

Don't worry, I think she has the whole thing completely wrong. I am a huge feminist, and am an obsessive Buffy fan. She's cherry picking her arguments and ignoring how Whedon refutes them himself.

Forced interpretation of events to fit the agenda in question;

Buffy, for all her killing vamps and breaking stuff, is rather a weak character. Let’s consider that she, as a Slayer, descends from a line that was literally created by men – a formation that stems directly from the male anxiety over an inability to create life the way that women do. And inherently problematic is the idea of the Watcher, a predominantly male presence that is the male gaze made manifest – a source of constant looking that is an explicit form of control.

This was my favourite show when I was 12-16, and I can tell you the 'watchers' were rubbish. The audience was made to dislike them, the only good watcher was Giles. It was presented like one of those government agencies that fuck everything up and the protagonists gets to do a told you so and saves the day.

In my personal opinion Buffy saving the day had nothing to do with her being female. She just did - it still is a feminists wet dream, although they won't be able to pin point why. The watchers weren't annoying because they were men, they were just old cunts acting in self interest.

In fact, during the 'army guys' season, the leader of that faction was an old woman and she fucked everything up. Screwing over her male subordinates , kind of like how the male watchers screwed over buffy.

This is as 'equal' as you can get - characters being completely A-sexual except in their relationship sub-plots.

edit - But now I think about it Buffy breaking loose from the shackles of an old white man society probably is supposed to be empowering to women. Wow, no wonder people shy away from female protagonists in entertainment, their own team could misinterpet what they are doing and try to burn them for it

Zanford · 2014-09-11T21:26:34+00:00

You could interpret literally every point the author makes in the opposite way

"The Watchers, the Alliance, the Bollhouse customers are all men..."

...b/c Whedon is a Patriarchy-Paranoia Conspiracy theorist and loves to make heroines sticking to the Man (not the Woman)

"...the Dellhouse episodes repeatedly show the heroine getting punched..."

...b/c Whedon plays up the problem of Violence Against Women and, again, his villains are 99% male. Perhaps she thinks the heroines should get to beat everyone up without the villains fighting back without any competence ever?

"...presents Buffy riding the cock carousal, and he lauds Inara's whore status..."

...b/c he's a sex-positive You Go Girl -er who considers sluttery empowering

foolery · 2014-09-12T01:46:31+00:00

Oh for the love of god, stop moving the goalposts.

cbeeman15 · 2014-09-11T22:47:52+00:00

My biggest complaint is with the companion part of the firefly section, male companions are just as important and powerful as female ones. And I think that the companion plot line was more to express that sex isn't just a dirty thing and should be beautiful and honorable. And this viewpoint is commonly shared among feminist, and Joss is trying to show that this belief is commonly held yet debated in the future setting.

Diabolo_Advocato · 2014-09-12T00:09:10+00:00

serious question:

Where are the Feminists and women that support and back the work that was at one time heralded as forward and new age thinking; or do these same women just believe whatever is put in front of them?

SariaLystra · 2014-09-12T00:56:56+00:00

If you've been following the #gamergate discussion for the past 3 weeks, you're noticing feminists and other people throwing nerds, geeks, and gamers under the bus, even though they are the type of people who will write "OMG IM SUCH A NERD" for attention. I'm pretty sure this is just a subsequent fallout from that.

As a result, I don't think this link really deserves that much attention.

bsutansalt · 2014-09-11T19:11:42+00:00

I'm reminded of something Bernard Chapin said, leftists always attack their own.

MustangGuy · 2014-09-11T19:47:18+00:00

I'd like to know what they have to say about Charmed.

serialstitcher · 2014-09-11T20:55:16+00:00

Mods, remove the link ASAP. Thanks.

2014-09-12T05:34:01+00:00

I read this years back. It's literally the feminist tactic of finding reasons to ev offended by everything. It's like The recent spider woman fiasco, where all these feminists claimed "you wouldn't draw Spider-Man like that" except they did, and they drew him in far more suggestive positions, but still haven't seen any feminists take back their words.

Feminism is no longer about equality, it's about Demonizing men and pushing an agenda that paints women as victims but also independent and capable. They literally want all the protections of gender norms while shitting all over them.

The hilarious part is they ignore that when women cosplay, they overwhelming choose the sexy characters. Real fans love it. Cause like male super heroes, female super heroes are wish fulfillment. Men aren't all supercut with ridiculous muscles. We don't walk around in nude body paint spandex.

Feminism is a disease. It's Demonizing men.

Zosimasie · 2014-09-12T09:20:25+00:00

Relevant video about feminists and Joss Whedon. He absolutely prescribes to the feminist bullshit.

dicklord_airplane · 2014-09-12T18:37:37+00:00

irrelevant, but goddamn that first photo is hot. ain't nothing like choking a girl who wants it.

2014-09-11T21:21:09+00:00

For someone who apparently hates Buffy the Vampire Slayer she sure has watched a lot of it.

AllWerewolvesAreLike · 2014-09-12T03:01:38+00:00

if you're not using some sort of adblocker like ublock you're already behind in the game

Incubuns · 2014-09-11T20:31:12+00:00

April 2011.

Title	Feminists throw Joss Whedon under the bus: Beloved creator of Buffy and Firefly is, apparently secretly a dude.
Author	IanIronwood
Upvotes	139
Comments	68
Date	September 11, 2014 4:44 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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