I slept with around 70 women by the age of 24. Back then I used to make it kind of a mission to sleep with lots of women out of my league. Its not any more but I still learnt stuff. I often went out alone. Some of my best results (only in terms of one night stands and rapid escalation with strangers, if thats your thing) came from:
On the dancefloor find two girls dancing on their own. Have good eye contact and body language. Be a little beta and ask them: "May I dance with you two for a while? No funny business though.".
They would nearly always say yes. I was a good dancer and would not touch them or anything. Would not do anything that construed a move or escalation. I would just have fun and smile. Maybe make small talk if its quiet enough. I would even offer to wingman for them.
Once you've done this: all the other women in the venue have noticed, and you have social proof. Night and day results from approaching and talking to women in the venue now. You've been approved even though you never made a move on those girls and explicitly said you would not. Many women have noticed that you have gone up to two attractive girls you dont know and have been "accepted".
Several (yes) times while I was dancing with these first two girls I would have an attractive girl walk up to me, be very flirtatious, and we would basically walk up to a wall and we would be making out within 5 seconds without talking or anything. From her perspective she needed to make a move fast as I might be about to escalate with the girls I was dancing with.
If and only if you have escalated with another group of women: you can now sexually escalate with the original women. If you were to attempt to escalate with the original women without ever escalating with other women then they will recoil and reject you (learnt this the hard way) even if they were flirtatious with you - because you set an explicit boundary with them and broke it. It still is probably best not to escalate with the original women at all.
It really isn't worth not doing it this way. Totally disqualify yourself and be beta with the first group of girls you connect with, just in order to visibly have social proof amongst other women in the venue. You aren't 'using' the first girls either, they are getting validation and attention from you too.
Extra variations:
I already mentioned offering to wingman for them. Its a blunt thing to say and offer and if they reject it just laugh it off. You also get an idea of their goals/motives for the night when you ask this. They typically admire you for it as it shows total lack of jealousy which is high status. You also are directly offering to provide value to them which is actually pretty rare for a stranger to do.
Say "May I dance with you two for a few minutes? Nothing sexual I just want to have fun". I also used to simply say "I'm dancing with you to make the other men jealous, Im not looking for anything romantic though".
When talking/dancing with larger groups: A hugely powerful move when done well is noticing the social dynamics of the group and talking alone to the alpha female of the group and telling her she must be the alpha female because xyz. They will then welcome you into the group with open arms for reinforcing their status. I once did this and she got 3 of her hot friends to kiss me on the lips while dancing with me in the space of a few minutes. This was seen by a few girls from my university whose view of me totally 180'd, and word spread of me "grinding and making out with 3 girls at once in X club", and that interaction single handedly caused months of positive results as if my physical attractiveness went from 7.5/10 to 9/10. I never talked about it openly and acted like it was really nothing when women who werent there brought it up in passing. It built "mystery" around me and people seemd to want my "secret" - I never told them but Im telling you.
When I think back to the times I had success on nights out they almost always followed this pattern. And the times I failed are when I did not follow this kind of pattern. You should deliberately "lose the first battle" in order the win the war. You often do things that actually lower yourself in status to the first women you approach just so they like you, then use that anchor to escalate on others.
So find ways to offer or reinforce status to women on nights out. Be totally blunt about it, shock them a little, demonstrate boundaries and sheer lack of jealously. Sometimes they will just think you are really cool and you get free high grade social proof, but sometimes if you are lucky they will give you outlandish favours in the form of wingmanning.
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I feel this only works with rules #1 and #2.
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How is that your takeaway from his comment? I thought he made himself sound average/slightly below average but with great game and a good personality
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5’11” is 5’11”. It isn’t “basically” anything. That’s around average height for a white male in the US.
As far as “good facial aesthetics” goes, he also said that he had shitty clothes, a trash haircut, and was skinny. That clearly cancels out whatever gifts he might have had facially.
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That's like olympic level gymnastics. We just lift... different sport.
This is all the pick up skills you need.
Eye contact, angled body
Depending on the energy level and her ego - go harder or softer.
Pre-requisites. Be someone that she can brag about fucking - to herself if she is a shy nerd or to the whole world if she is Kim k. You must look like a man.
You must also talk like a man. Slow, confident clear delivery of the lines - with a dead pan seriousness - she must crack first, before you can smile and reveal it was just a pickup line and you have self awareness and a sense of humor.
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