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Men who brag on this subreddit about being a player or being promiscuous haven't burned out yet, and will.

erickson712

December 29, 2013
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Title Men who brag on this subreddit about being a player or being promiscuous haven't burned out yet, and will.
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erickson712

Upvotes 296
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Date December 29, 2013 1:20 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
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Comments

[–]MSoftHarem113 points114 points115 points 12 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

Relationships are TRP on hard mode. Plates are fun, and I recommend the new guys spin for a little while to really internalize Game/TRP concepts, but eventually you'll want to pursue monogamy. Once you're RP aware and avoid any legal ties you really can make a relationship a net increase in your happiness. Women who are worth it are rare, but if it was easy none us would be here.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, when I stumble across threads that really remind me why I am subbed here. This is one of them. This is the stuff I think about when I defend TRP in /r/askreddit threads that are bashing us.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why defend anything? Live your life how you wish, if they hate you, so fucking what.

[–]ItsYourHandInMine10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep.

[–]Ommin2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But he should give a shit about the lion cubs, and not allow them to be raised by sheep.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuckin right.

[–]MSoftHarem5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I appreciate the sentiment, when people put TRP theories into practice they stand on their own merit.

[–]roue_ 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple as. If i want to bang girls and some men on reddit dont like it who cares?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Women who are worth it are rare

I can't stress this enough, most women deserve to be old and alone because since they've been given all the freedoms in the world to do whatever they like, they've not used that power to become people who are remotely desirable, likeable or respectable to men or even themselves. Women never have a good word to say about women, with good reason. They're selfish deceitful cunts.

Most of them make no effort whatsoever to fulfil a man's wants or needs, they are totally fixated with their own needs, they bring little and expect a lot - they're a bad deal. They are big, over-sized, over-entitled, manipulative little children who answer to nobody, walking around up on some over-inflated faux sense of self-importance and dispense nothing but shit tests when you insert kindness coins, only responding well to those who are disrespectful to them, as "egalitarian" as such behaviour clearly isn't.

Be careful of the women who pose as unicorns or "good girls" but have a hidden agenda. Women can pretend to be someone they're not for a long time, some of them although always seeming impatient can subvertly be very patient in the long game if the personal reward is high enough for them, if they want to divorce you, trap you with a kid or any crap like that they will play a very long game and bit by bit win your trust with small gestures. Relationships are war.

Some of these women actually believe they're different from other women hence the chanting of "not all women are like that" - let me tell you now, for every 10 women who claims to not be like that, you might find 1 unicorn, if even that (OK let's get real, it's a lot less than 1 in 10 - they're fucking mythical.)

A lot of women are so illogical and ignorant they truly believe they don't do the terrible things/have the fucked up flaws that we talk about other women doing and having because they simply can't see it within themselves; however do not confuse their inability to see their flaws and thus the false confidence they exude in not having those flaws as fact. A woman can indignantly believe in her own self-righteous beliefs, like religious zealots believe their god and all their lore is real and that their way is the "true way", they can have all the passion in the world and be incredibly convincing, but it doesn't make what they think or say real as in - observable or credible. It's merely subconscious lying. They are deluded.

At the end of the day, logic is the only thing that's impartial so you must trust that above opinion or anything else. That's why we have science, it's logic demonstrated by observation and reproduction. You can be so ignorant that you believe a lie as truth, that you'd pass a lie detector test saying the inane crap you spew because you truly believe it, but it doesn't mean it's an objectively observable truth.

Even the realest smartest seeming chicks, when you start digging into who they are as a person and shit testing them, observing them and connecting their answers with their actions you'll see that realness goes out the window, they are totally deluded, a lot of the crap they do simply doesn't match up - they are fucking deluded people. DELUDED. "Oh but what about the fields full of unicorns that be russian/eastern european/asian women?" sure they're often better looking and better educated than western women but they're still prone to the same achilles heel, believing in self-delusion. Women are women. Unicorns are individual beings, they are outliers, they are not groups/demographics. If you want a good credible woman, go look for your outlier because society will not force inherently selfish women to be decent anymore. We had terrible women before feminism, feminism just increased the quantity and concentration of them by removing all controls society previously placed on them.

The truth is many women are in total denial about who they really are and just feed off of bullshit to make themselves feel good. They are emotional sloths, they feed on good emotions truth be fucking damned. This is why they aren't credible or even loyal, they will often choose their own happiness over the needs of a relationship, the caveat is children, most women are great to children, shame they can't treat men with that same love and sacrifice (again, with the exception of unicorns which most of you think you have met, but haven't.)

The noobs who can't see this and question that are not deep down the rabbit hole, you've got far to go - a lot of you think you can use TRP to make you desirable to a woman and then go and have a disney fantasy. That is you still being ignorant, still unable to accept that women are unilaterally self-obsessed, selfish, solopsistic, using motherfuckers. You are deceived by their image, your eyes lie to you. You are deceived by your weakness, your wish that "things weren't this way" by your hope "it can be better" ... all of this is unfounded bullshit. They are who they are. Your desires are not tangible or even provable, merely hypothetical - and if you find a methodology to make it so, then by all means, make it so and come share it with us so we can all live the dream and start turning hoes into unicorns; but until you do that (which you probably won't, this is a huge fucking hypothetical) then simply accept women for who they are, don't project onto them who you want them to be and claim its possible because you projected it and had a minor success in one brief moment, that's doing the same shit we accuse women of - hamstering/backward rationalising.

Expecting and believing things that are bullshit are only going to lead you to disappointment and ruin, it's almost as if, half of you men here are settings yourselves up for failure, you're willing to risk and sacrifice for a crack at "happiness" a crack at "an idealisation" fuck that, I rather never have a crack at the bullshit fantasy we're all fed our entire lives then get raped by the realisation that shit ain't even real. Call it jaded, call it bitter, I'm a young guy. Never been divorced or married. No kids. Still in university. Don't blame the baggage, blame reality, blame feminism, blame our ancestors for letting everything get this shit. Women need to be subject to standards, expectations and controls like men are and because they're not anymore we have absolute anarchy now.

Look, here's an exercise for you. Next time you're with a woman you think is hot, talk to her with your eyes shut or just not looking at her (she can't even be in your peripheral vision) see how you interact with her and what you think of her words when you're not constantly bombarded by her beauty, scientists have said a hot girls face has similar effects on the male brain to cocaine. Google it if you care enough. Female beauty intoxicates males, it stops you thinking correctly. If you used nothing but logic and scientific suspicion you'd have no internal struggle in dealing with women, you'd see them clearly for what and who they are as a majority.

It would be nice if you could be a team, and with a unicorn, that's possible - but if you've not got a unicorn stop wishing the opposing military would just call a truce fire, it's like North Korea and South Korea the best you're going to get is a 50+ year truce and a DMZ buffer and eventually it's back to war and one of you is going to lose. It's not a matter of IF it's a matter of WHEN.

The best way to find out if a woman is secretly fucking bonkers is to really fuck her off (do it, on purpose) and see what tactics she starts throwing at you from her mental warfare arsenal. When she's mad she can't control herself so you'll get to see the real core of who she is. If she starts twisting things, gaslighting you, threatening you or anything like that... red flag, next the bitch not worth it no matter how nice the hole is. If she just cries, apologises or basically doesn't do anything deeply head fucking, you're probably safe.

NOTE: The reason you're pissing them off is because when you piss them off they show their true colours beneath the make-up and the bullshit, you get to see who the real ugly spirit/soul is behind that facade, that illusion, that fake ego and that bullshit persona. Women are the masters of illusion, manipulation and fakery, you literally have to cast a fishing rod into their soul and pull out who they really are to see who you're actually dealing with. You can think you know a woman for years but until you've had the most terrible of fights with her, you do not know who she is.

EDIT: typos

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The best way to find out if a woman is secretly fucking bonkers is to really fuck her off (do it, on purpose) and see what tactics she starts throwing at you from her mental warfare arsenal. When she's mad she can't control herself so you'll get to see the real core of who she is.

But... But... If you don't like me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best!

[–]WAFC6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's easy. Any woman who quotes the life advice of a drug addicted slut who died in a puddle of her own vomit gets a real quick "NEXT!"

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That old chestnut.

[–]Foster_Poster2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Duuuuude, I've experienced the shit you're talking about first hand and I'm still in high school (senior). I was in a relationship with a girl a couple of months ago, and she WAS DELUSIONAL. Some of the shit she did might have been because she was a sophomore and still hasn't matured enough, but god damn. The first red flag , in retrospect, was when we were at a party once. Everybody's talking, having fun etc... Later we decided to play man hunt. As we're waiting for everybody to group up so we could walk to the park near by, she suddenly starts hugging her guy friends (who are my friends too, by the way) and she has the "comfortable" kind of look on her face, the type of look you would have after you go to bed after a tiring day. I didn't think much of it at the time, was sedated by the blue pill. I thought "Hey man, it's fine, she's just hugging her guy friends. Nothing to worry about, or get jealous of." DEAD FUCKING WRONG. The second red flag was when her, her friend, and I were talking in the hall way, and suddenly the subject changed and became about this popular, good looking guy (he's pretty good looking, and I'm pretty damn straight) at our school. So apparently, before we were together, someone asked the guy what he thinks of my ex-girlfriend and he said something along the lines of that he wouldn't hit that and she's ugly (she's a solid 6, dated her because of how our personalities were so fit for each other). Then someone told her about what the guy thought of her (read: ugly). Anyways, after he was brought up, she said the guy was "so hot" and that he's "dreamy". BITCH, I'M RIGHT HERE. Notice how she said that after he called her "ugly". I was pretty heated after that, and I talked to her about it. She said it was because her friend wanted to go for him and she wanted to support her. I knew she was bullshiting and I knew I wouldn't get an apology from her, so I stopped pursuing. I bet that's what she told herself. I mean does this even make sense? Someone openly called you ugly and you go ahead and think of them as "hot" and "dreamy", even if it was just to "support" your friend? On top of your hot, and high value BOY-FUCKING-FRIEND next to you?

The stuff you were talking about here was always in the back of my head, yet I couldn't put it into words as beautifully and bluntly as you put it. This shit should be put in a catalog and handed to every single 13+ boy/man out there. It's true illumination.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit should be put in a catalog and handed to every single 13+ boy/man out there.

I agree. The absolute shitfest that would cause...

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

[–]redpilldude1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

There are tons of PUA books, but are there any good books that explain how to apply TRP to a LTR?

[–]MSoftHarem53 points54 points55 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I always see people recommending http://marriedmansexlife.com/ for marriage game, but I cannot in good faith recommend ever getting married in the toxic legal climate of the west. Monogamy is fine, but there is absolutely zero benefit to getting the State involved in your relationship. I do not know of any books offhand, and honestly I'd like to see our community tackle girlfriend game. There have been a few posts recently and I hope to see more.

[–]red_tux14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree, but it is worth noting that if you co-habitate and act in a manner similar to a married couple you can be considered married via common law after a period of time which varies by state. The biggest difference however is that common law does not carry with it a prenuputal contract. However on the flip side a good RP woman won't wait around forever, she knows she brings value to the relationship and wants the support a long term commitment brings and thus may bug out if there is no legal binding after a period of time. In a way, it's a catch 22.

[–]elduckbell6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's become much less of a problem. Only the following states recognize common law marriage:

Alabama, Colorado, District of Columbia, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, Utah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common-law_marriage_in_the_United_States

edit: and most require 'a holding out of each other as husband and wife to the public'

[–]PrefersDigg9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she knows she brings value to the relationship and wants the support a long term commitment brings and thus may bug out if there is no legal binding after a period of time

This is a very valid and underrated point.

It's simple risk/reward logic. If you refuse to take any risk (committing to marriage) then you give up a lot of potential reward, because a woman who will stay with you through her late 20s without commitment - giving up her best time for marriage - is probably on some highly unequal footing with you, which for me at least sounds like a very unrewarding relationship dynamic.

So I guess the "solution" would be to cut ties whenever marriage becomes an issue in the LTR and look for another woman who is younger and not at that crucial "decision point" yet, but is it really all that satisfying to still be dating a string of twenty-year-olds when you're fifty? Sounds like a big headache to me.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you bear all the risk, she bears very little while reaping the benefits, if she leaves because of that, you don't want her anyway.

I fuck women between 18 and 39, but not all of them. They have to meet certain criteria which are not arbitrary, but entirely disqualifying if not met. I have the resources they want, I am not about to give them away just for some stinky wetness on my turgid member. Very few meet those qualifiers, but those who do are fun and become good friends.

[–]_whistler4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

MMSL is still a good resource. Athol Kay does a great job of laying out the mixture of Alpha attractor traits and Beta provider traits necessary for a healthy LTR, regardless of marital status. His MAP was my first non-PUA introduction to the Red Pill back when I was trying to figure out why my LTR wasn't working.

[–]MSoftHarem1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, I'll continue linking people to it in that case.

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[–]MSoftHarem1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Link me something better.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd post about girlfriend game but I'm a dick about handing my commitment over. I just don't trust 'em enough.

Mixing attraction building with beta game = girlfriend game.

[–]LumpyPUA6 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Black dragon's blog is a great place to start: http://www.blackdragon-blog.com/

[–]awfulorangecreature[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida. I recommend it to my friends when I find out they're getting married.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

but eventually you'll want to pursue monogamy.

Not me. Just replace monogamy with LTRs though. Right now with 2 girls that don't seem to mind to share although I can't exactly get them together in the sack at the same time, sadly. Well, not yet anyway. But there are periods of drama I could do without.

[–]MSoftHarem8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Outside of very rare circumstances most people will be pursuing monogamy. I have not seen one post in /r/redpillwomen where the women were interested in sharing a high value man. I'm not saying it isn't plausible, just not very probable.

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[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can also confirm. Spent my first 2 years in college chasing tail and doing the booty call thing. It gets old quick. Quantity will rapidly forfeit to a desire for genuine quality and passion. You start to realize too, that in order to get the girl you really want to end up with, you're going to have to start working a little harder in your own life and organize your priorities.

Welcome, OP, this is a great time time in your life.

[–]12FAM0US27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

are you me? but for real though, i wonder how many of us share this exact same story.

[–]ScannerSloppy19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Casual sex was something I did when I was a teenager in the 90s. My current interest in TRP has very little to do with PUA. And yes, the guys in this subreddit who think of themselves as natural alphas (as if this stage of life will last forever) make me laugh.

[–]Katoska20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Had a LTR for 11 months, got out, laid 4 different girls in a 7 day period. Got bored. 4 months dry now.

[–]1RXRob5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LTR for 7 years. Got away from the selfish woman and her family that got upset whenever I said to no to any of them. Woke up next to 13 different girls in the next 12 months (The joys of being the DJ, guess who's family hated that).

I'm now in a 2 year (and still strong) relationship

[–]OKJaded11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm much of the same mind. The one night stand lost its charm. However, from my current perspective it seems any RPR requires plate spinning to keep your SMV high. You don't cheat. You just maintain female friends that are interested in you.

[–]ScannerSloppy1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Does "maintain(ing) female friends that are interested in you" make you an "orbiter" if it's a strictly platonic relationship?

[–]lightfire4092 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the opposite, you keep a few women in 'orbit' around you, which continually demonstrates how much of a catch you are to your SO.

Its not platonic, because the women would jump your bones if you let them.

[–]OKJaded0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You friendzone them. They orbit you. If I were to call someone an orbiter it would mean they are orbiting someone. Not the other way around.

[–]TRP VanguardVZPurp3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]mrpoopistan58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the things that differentiates TRP from PUA is this exact point.

[–]redpilldude32 points33 points34 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I'm 30 and got tired of sleeping around several years ago. Now, I'm mostly MGTOW. I might marry if I can meet a very high quality female, but that is probably unlikely.

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[–]redpilldude25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Are you serious? A man's prime is around 40. At that age, he still looks good (assuming he works out and follows a good diet), has mastered game, and has a good career.

There are plenty of 40-year-old PUAs who regularly sleep with 20-year-old women.

[–]cagethepepper 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a troll, look at that username.

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[–]redpilldude15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

That's a blue pill way of thinking... that a 20 year old man would get more pussy than a 40 year old man (assuming both men are in good physical shape).

[–]PeachyKeynesian7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop feeding the troll

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[–]redpilldude11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you new to r/theredpill? Being in good shape and physical attraction is a big part of attracting women. The other part is good Game.

Also lol at the thought of a 40 year old getting more than a 20 year old.

Don't believe me? Go to r/asktrp and ask them who would get more pussy, a 40-year-old man who has mastered Game or a 20-year-old guy who is a novice at Game?

[–]Realworld9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at his username. He tells you right up front that he's a 15-year-old troll. Let it go.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol what is your obsession with men in good physical shape? Why do you keep bringing it up? Can't get it off your mind?

1998... Yup, we have a 15-16 year old master of poon right here. I was going to say 14, because 14 is when I grew out of gay jokes.

I have to congratulate you in your massive advancement in just a few short years, since undoubtedly just 3 years ago you probably still believed touching girls would infect you with cooties.

[–]2emptyform8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm only a few months into legitimately spinning plates and I can feel it coming, though having three girls on rotation is still pretty damn fun. I believe the strategy will remain useful as a vetting process so I can compare & contrast while keeping my confidence high and my judgments more objective--avoiding oneitis. Eventually I do want to transition to an LTR with constant flirting to keep my game sharp and maintain that ambient sense of options, but I won't settle.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate to say it but this is a great point. Look at what Wilt Chamberlain said about how he slept with 1000s of women and how he wasn't fond of it looking back.

[–]Laughing_Jelly_Bean6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sleeping around is fun for about a year or two. Then, casual sex becomes predictable, uninteresting, and one slowly begins to embrace MGTOW

I'm pushing 40, and I agree 100%. Thanks for posting this. I was just about to post something similar.

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[–]snwborder52 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's where I'm at too.

Flirting is fun and exciting right now. I get a massive high from pushing my comfort zone. But like any high, you have to keep doing more and more to get that high. I used to get a rush from just approaching a girl, now I really have to do something bold to feel the same. I'm gonna enjoy it while it lasts.

[–]Ethan472 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i'd liken it to the reaction to anger on this sub. It's there because it's a necessary step. Learning to control relationships takes practice, when you don't need practice anymore, I guess you've made it.

[–]slcjosh1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The jar is dope my friend. This summer and fall was a crazy whirlwind of poon, concerts and parties. It ain't stale if you catch my drift

[–]subgamer907 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ITT: Guy beta-backslides and tries to pass it off as alpha

Yeah erickson she is your special little "rare,high quality" angel. She will always be loyal to you and will never screw you over, I promise.

[–]draketton15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Benefits of a relationship, from a TRP perspective:

1) You get to train a girl to have sex with you the way you like it, which is way more rewarding and pleasurable than any one night stand.

2) You get a girlfriend to show off to your family and social circle, if they care about that sort of thing.

3) It's cheaper than plate spinning after a certain age. A young 20-something man can fuck around with his unambitious peers basically for free, but as you move into career age and your looks start to reflect that, it's more expected of you to use money as a foot in the door to impress women. The less women you have to do this for the better.

As you get older and more jaded by short flings with women who suck in bed, and as your close people start to put more pressure on you to settle down, an LTR looks better and better.

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[–]erickson712[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

many upvotes deserved for reference to classic literature. read first 100 pages of "On the Nature of Things" a year ago.

[–]Arbitrage848 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW for sure, bro. Just coming around to accepting that women will be in my life for 3-10 years at a clip if I'm unwilling to marry. So be it.

[–]sadshark14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Please let me enjoy my promiscous years thinking that plate spinning will never get old. I'm enjoying this too much to think that MTGOW will inevitably come. I will never look for that rare female gem, i know I will go alone on my way, but for now, i will fuck as long as my dick stands up.

[–]r_trees_is_spreading2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

New reader here. What is MTGOW?

[–]destroythepoon1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.mgtow.com

[–]erickson712[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

more power to you

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get these threads in the first place. Why would I be interested in your bragging on TRP? If you want to brag you should go to Seduction.

[–]FortunateBum4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like Ali G said, the worst thing you can get from casual sex is a relationship.

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[–]erickson712[S] 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

valid. just seems like some people seem to think they're "living it up," that they've achieved pure manhood because they're sleeping around, when in reality it's just an experiment. a phase.

[–]Dream4eva7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

While I'm sure your opinion is common it is not ubiquitous amongst everyone. You are no authority on what people find interesting or fun or how people should live their lives.

[–]erickson712[S] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

you act like this is the first time you've read an opinion on reddit.

[–]Dream4eva1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yet you're parading around like its some sort of fact.

[–]erickson712[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

forgive my impatience with redundant and mansy pansy disclaimers and caveats. take my thought for what its worth and move on.

[–]Dream4eva0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

See I don't want to do that because maybe next time your not spouting your opinion on TRP but something else, you cant just go around acting like you opinion is some god sent miracle bestowed upon what ever community you decided to bring it to.

[–]erickson712[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When it comes to relationships, do whatever you want and pursue the ones that actually add something to your life.

[–]alt303134 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Relationship branch swinging and 3-6 month throwaway relationships are an option too.

[–]1ron_giant4 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This hits home.

Got divorced and started trying to fuck anything I could. Succeeded more than I should've, unfortunately. Now I'm focused on improving myself and looking for the next future wife. I don't want a slut and I'm sure whomever I end up with isn't going to want some man whore with little self control or heaven help me a baby mamma in tow.

[–]Futsushi2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, I didn't come here until long after I was married and I think RP has little to do with how much casual sex you get. It was easy to get casual sex in my 20's, but I got bored even then.

/r/becomeaman is a great sub and is where most of my focus on RP is.

[–]trunks746 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this very true. Casual sex becomes dull. Very dull. All of college I had a new girl every weekend. But starting the summer before my junior year i met a girl who I've been dating and it doesn't compare.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

..it only takes bagging a few girls to realize that the reward/esteem from conquering a woman is self-defeating when the girls are easy. You realize you're king of shit mountain

[–]Necromaze4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I figured someone else should say that, but I've pretty much noticed this the entire time on this sub. Most guys just talk about gaming chicks left and right trying to get a hard dick. Trust me you'll get burnt out and you'll be left alone with no RP LTR because your mind frame is all fucked up. Step it up lads.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

High quality female. So you may be burned out on casual sex (I did too, 24 years ago) but you have yet to become cynical. That comes too, unless you are so easy going and beta but bare tall, wealthy, and not fat, so one stays with you and hides the extra dick from you.

Cynicism is coming....

[–]Jovianmoons6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and yet people still hate this subbreddit. Thats a mature and rational realization. I will never understand the human capacity for irrational hatred.

[–]Guano-6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Still virgin, used to hate myself for it, not anymore. Studied the red pill and realized most guys on here were just like the blue pill cock carousel woman; just looking for sex. I also realized that a lot of threads were dedicated to this and not solid relationships. I didn't want to be that person, and from the relationships I had early in life before sex was a thought, I enjoyed the connection between myself and another. From what I have viewed on both blue and red pill sides is that both parties tend to eventually go toward that one on one relationship status, not everyone. This thread completely confirms this with me.

Red Pill has definitely taught me what to stay away from in a woman. As painful as this will sound to most of you, I rather stay a virgin than sleep around with a plethora of woman and end up without a deep meaningful relationship or at the time being reverting into that more beta state of blind love relationships. I'm glad for the redpill as it has taught me to connect better with woman from the get go, I have had a great deal of more dates due to the mindset of self confidence toward myself. A few woman that I wanted to pursue more were not interested, but those who tended to pursue me where those looking for providers while they continue down their road paved of shit. Quickly threw them away. It's a continuous path for me, but a relationship is my first priority, not sex. Great thread topic, thanks.

[–]sadshark-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

HA, you naive little idiot. You will fall in love with the first woman that will fuck you. You can read as much theory as you want, you lack experience, you will make mistakes and get burned. You think you can compare to OP who probably has fucked women in the triple digits? OP can pursue a 'meaningful' relationship because he knows how to... You dont know shit and by posting what you posted you're just filling yourself with 'feelgood bullshit'.

[–]Guano-4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Probably, we shall see, its a journey.

And why are redpillers so hostile all the time.

[–]sadshark-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hostile? No, real. I called you a naive little idiot because I believe you are one. I'm not going to watch my words in order to protect your feelings, I couldn't care less about how you feel. Thats why you probably view us as hostile. You want feelgood bullshit, go to /r/relationships, here we dont reserve ourselves.

[–]Guano-1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, then fuck off, if you would like to actually have a respectful conversation instead of being a two-bit bitter dick about my views and how you think they should be, I'll be waiting.

[–]dixiedownunder2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm basking in the glow of youthful Kiwi poontang found by a pool table in the sport fucking paradise island called Koh Samui in Thailand. Maybe this will be down voted to hell, but it's psychologically healthy to have sex. Everything in moderation I suppose.

[–]Theophagist2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's psychologically healthy to have sex.

I am not sure if that's in question here, but I think it's worth repeating. I'm all for MGTOW's rights and reasons but I also think stimulating your sex drive makes you a more vibrant person well into your elderly years. (Many years as a swinger, I met lots of very sexually active senior citizens and they're not just your average spunky grandpas and grandmas)

[–]forbiddenone 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd type a refutation but the crumbs are jamming up my keyboard.

[–]SuperNinKenDo5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thankfully skipped that phase myself. Brought up in a very anti-promiscuity household.

[–]WAFC1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly think being 'natural alpha' in my younger years would have caused me more heartache, as I was very blue pill and really wanted to believe in unicorns. It would have taken much longer to see the nature of women if sex came easily.

[–]Olipyr6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I'm way past that point and I'm only 27. I'm in the triple digits of numbers of different partners and, while I LOVE sex and fucking, I'm bored.

Don't get me wrong, though. If a hot woman offers herself to me, I'm not going to turn it down. Well, If I'm out with my buddies and have to jump a grenade for them, I will.

[–]trudatness 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ha ha...

I don't know what you're talking about - new pussy never gets old.

Why? Because it's NEW!

At 26 I got jaded with how easy it got to get laid and decided to get a rare, high quality female companion and it turned out to be an extremely bad choice. As it turned out, I was just fodder for a woman who was in panic mode accelerating towards the wall. That was a fucking HUGE mistake. That doesn't mean I love my kids she bore me any less, because I love them very, very much, but it was a mistake regardless.

In retrospect, I would recommend continuously fine tuning one's game to keep things fresh.

In the beginning of game, one is a carpet bomber. You just open the bomb-bay doors and drop bombs. Sometimes you hit a high quality targets, sometimes you land in the fat farm or nutty-ville. You get a mix that is purely random. If you stick with the game and try to continuously hone your skills, you'll be able to filter out the unwanted targets. At the same time, the sexual compulsion you feel that drives you will lessen somewhat with age. What makes you obsessed at 21 chills out enough for you at 35 (the same age at which single malt scotch becomes delicious) where you can begin to savor it. The blood fever compels you to fuck and fuck hard, but as you age you become like the Jedi, able to control the power with the aid of your cognitive powers.

I would say the best strategy would be to avoid that 25-30 trap. Women of this age are NOT sincere in their affection and adoration. They are flying towards the wall at a million miles an hour. They'll do and say anything to avoid missing their cash-in window of opportunity. They can't be trusted.

Even if you are a successful alpha with money and easy pussy on call, don't think you have it all figured out. Be patient. Wait. Chillax until you get into your thirties and go either high or low. If you're on the early side of 30s, look for the young tender who's got her self-respect in tact and exhibits /r/redpillwomen behavior and attitude. If you are in your late 30s or early 40s, look for the post-30 hottie who has a decent (but not life consuming) career and has both the genetics and the will to keep and stay hot for good amount of years. That post-30 hottie will likely be over her accelerating-to-the-wall crisis mode, but still be young enough for you to have a couple of kids.

If you are a guy with no (or a small, non-consequential) criminal record, a good career making decent money, decent credit with no foreclosures and/or bankruptcies who goes to the gym regularly and keeps himself fit - you'll find yourself in a highly desired minority.

There are a fucking ton of losers out there and after 30, the pool of attractive available men begins to thin dramatically. If you are doing it right, women will chase you so much to the point it will become annoying.

I see much talk on TRP about the traditional provider role, however in this modern day and age, that really is becoming less of a reality. I would also suggest to target women for LTRs that aren't financial losers. If you get with a woman who is clueless about earning and managing money, you'll have to bear the full burden of support - and that means during marriage and post-divorce as well.

Take it from personal experience, being with a woman who is financial independent and acts like an adult with finances is not a bad thing. Having money is good. You can still use your TRP philosophy of prioritized, and ultimately enlightened self-interest to keep your relationship healthy and stable. I personally think that's the best case scenario. Being a true alpha male in a power couple relationship (which I think is the only way a power couple happens and is function-able) is not a bad way to go about things. Unless you're pulling down $150K plus and are content with the money of a single earning household, dual income households are the reality. In a world in which dual income households are the norm, I say why fight that? Part of life-game should be about making that work for you in the best possible way.

[–]erickson712[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

very enlightening. saving.

[–]cipahs 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In a fraternity, still banging out rando's constantly.

Still having fun. Could be because all the love I need i get from the bros

[–]geenomike1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was just wondering when trp turned in to r/seduction

[–]EeeeeeevilMan1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, you know, you get herpes.

1 in 6 people have it and condoms only cut the risk by 20%.

You can't dodge the bullet of statistical probability forever.

[–]nubswag4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree, however I don't think there is any reason to be condescending to those braggers. This is important information that they can use to grow.

[–]erickson712[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

possibly. but in the words of another poster here, "you'll get burnt out and you'll be left alone with no RP LTR because your mind frame is all fucked up."

[–]dub1216863 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this post. This is how I've felt about the subreddit lately

[–]10J18R1A0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's an alarming amount of posts in this thread that imply marriage equals commitment

[–]DaddyMonster2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Reeks of troll.

I almost don't know where to begin when describing how disingenuous the OP is.

It's concern trolling to put it simply. The post is a red herring, a semantic bait-n-switch and an appeal to consequence, with some shaming thrown in for good measure.

Quite well constructed truth be told, but it's no different from shit tests and generic "who do you think you are"-put downs.

Example:

Sleeping around is fun for about a year or two.

"Having a nice body from all that going to the gym is all well and good. For now."

Then, casual sex becomes predictable, uninteresting, and one slowly begins to embrace MGTOW and/or patiently look for a rare, high quality female companion.

"When you get older though, it'll be difficult to sustain your physique, and you'll either crash and become obese, or, if you're smart, you settle for something (I think is) more reasonable.

So please stop flaunting your naive ego on this subreddit.

"So stop flaunting your muscles."

You're like a child who has learned he wont be punished for taking as many cookies from the cookie jar as he wants.

"(Who do you think you are, anyways?) You're being childish. Just because you can it doesn't mean you should (or that you're better)."

The implication is obvious.

The OP completely (and I would guess intentionally) misses/disregards why a lot of men at TRP starts sleeping around and spinning plates. When you consider that, it becomes obvious that the OP is a troll.

Addendum: It doesn't matter if the appeal to consequence is valid or not. That is not important in this context.

TRP is about learning how shit actually works. It's about maximizing one's options and freeing oneself from socially imposed programming that limits one as an individual. What one does with that knowledge is up to oneself and one's own best judgement. It is up to every man to find out what works for himself, and for many, that involves experimenting and opening doors that were previously closed.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sleeping around is a boon to getting a LTR. It gives you skills in bed, raises your SMV, and overall is a valuable experience for actually using the Red Pill in the real world.

Let's not be like jealous seddit faggots because we're on a dry spell.

[–]usku3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn straight and well spoken.

[–]slcjosh2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. I dont really see it getting old for another 10 years for me

[–]autoNFA4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck your bullshit moralizing condescension, I like fucking around and I'm taking as many cookies as I want. I'll figure out how many that is on my own.

[–]phx-au1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I have a mate who hasn't really figured out RP stuff - he's just read a bit of PUA. I honestly cannot stand the constant bragging of how he managed to trick some unattractive emotionally damaged girl into fucking him.

When I'm in a party mood I'll often get to the stage where I know that I could be going home with someone. Then I realise I've got better things to do (one of them being an awesome girlfriend).

If someone will let me pick them up and fuck them without any sort of connection, then I have zero respect for them. I've only had one one-nighter in years - and that was at a wedding, where all behavioural bets are off.

[–]Remerez1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Had a ex-friend divorce his wife he had a kid with to date a younger woman. He sourced TRP the entire time i asked him why he was doing this. I hooked her up with a bunch of lawyer friends out of spite because this dude was having a mid-life crisis at 32 and was blaming his recklessness on us. Moral: use the skills here to be a more aware, BETTER person.

[–]cozycoffeecake1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This topic doesn't need to be here.

[–]narcissus881 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ridiculous post. I have no interest in monogamy or LTR and a good argument can be made that a woman will ALWAYS consider her LTR to be a chump. It's a scam and I recommend you look into women's nature to understand why. Marriage and monogamy is a raw deal for men and has always been, which is why men have always been given so many financial and social incentives to marry.

[–]CreateTheFuture1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is bullshit. You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion.

[–]erickson712[S] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yes, its a complicated situation. i dont pretend to address it comprehensively. just adding one perspective into the mix.

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[–]1Zackcid1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL, I've never heard of this!

[–]-Conflict-0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Life and learning is a process, and while perspectives can be shared with those lacking in relative experience, many people don't truly learn something until they've done it. It is every mans right to life his life how he wants to, whether you agree with it or not

[–]General_Fear0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the natural course of men development. If you are young and red pill you will try to lay as many women as possible. But the day will come when you are bored with it. This is the point in time when most men marry. But if you are red pill you know that marriage is a scam and living with a woman is a scam. So what do you do?

If you are true red pill your credo is, never marry, never live with a woman and don't make babies. It's all scam. So then you become a MGTOW. Ya as a MGTOW you might date a woman every once in a while, but you will focus you life on yourself. Chasing tail will not be your first priority.

But unlike the OP. Post your opinions players. Enjoy your young life. Brag. Have fun living your red pill life.

[–]Endorsed Contributor303030303030300 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you always want what you don't have

[–]SSTUPNC0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cosign, for me personally it gave me a kind of Al Bundy syndrome.

[–]nophoney 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what I'm hearing is....being promiscuous is part of the process, and once you figure that part out, telling everyone to shut up about is the next step?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying I disagree, but I need to have sex at least 3 times a week. And I do mean need - it's a biological imperative. If I don't, it's like insomnia, it affects every area of my life negatively. I'm under 30 and the frequency may decrease with age, but this is where I'm at and have been for 14 years. I don't give a fuck about lay count or impressing men and honestly, I put exactly the minimal required effort into achieving this. I get what you're saying, but sex is necessary for me.

[–]Senior Contributorwhiskey_bearfist0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is garbage concern trolling. go back to /r/relationships

[–]ThisisMalta0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said....

[–]P0eticJustice0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why the fuck was this upvoted to the top

[–]PrisonerOfLife-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's funny how we delude ourselves into thinking along the lines of "I lack element X in my life, therefore, once I bring X into my life, everything will be perfectly ideal". It doesn't matter what you substitute in this sentence for X (sex, high-paying job, six pack abs, huge muscles, nice car, good social life etc...) - the law of diminishing returns eventually kicks in and you seek a new dopamine rush.

I'm still a virgin at 24 but I've noticed that most of the major milestones I idealized in my head weren't so special once I achieved them; they either left me wanting more or convinced me to move in a different direction with my motivations. Somehow I don't think sex will be any different so I've reluctantly avoided it for this same reason.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No judgement on the virgin thing, to each their own, but you seriously sound like you need to take more pleasure in the little things.

[–]Jedclark12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this is the most delusion I've ever seen in one post.

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pickup is a never-ending journey, as cliché as it sounds. It's not something you just reach one day.

[–]Ethan47-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop hamstering.

[–]abcd_z-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why you're being downvoted; you make a perfectly valid observation.

[–]Laughing_Jelly_Bean-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the way it is. You are correct. But few will listen.

[+]watersign-6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

go get a hooker dude, srs

[–]seanjohn12117 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Who are you to tell me how to live? I'm 19 why would I want anything more than casual at this point. This was incredibly condescending.

[–]erickson712[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i apologize

[–]1Zackcid1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming from the mouth of a truly enlightened 'Señor', huh.

[+]Ethylparaben-7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Betas with poor dick control. It's annoying they consider themselves alpha.

[–]abcd_z-2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys know that there's a third option, right? A way to have your cake and eat it too.

Develop emotionally fulfilling open relationships. That way you can continue to sleep with any woman you want, while getting the sense of love and affection that you crave. It's Pickup Artist Polyamory.

[+]Captain_Crunk_-6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If your sex is becoming predictable and uninteresting then you're not doing it right. I don't need a high quality female companion to have great sex. I've built comfort with plates to experiment and be the freak I am.

[–]erickson712[S] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

okay

[–]Captain_Crunk_-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't believe your thread got upvoted so much.

Don't push your own experiences on other people. No, not every player will get burned out after only a year or two.

[–]erickson712[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll try to use kid-gloves next time, just for you.

[+]Clauderoughly-17 points-16 points-15 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh look, more bitter MGTOW's

http://i.imgur.com/ruh7Z.gif

Awww... did someone get blueballed again?

[–]1Zackcid-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't remember the last time I downvoted a TRP self-post, but the shit index was too high on this one. Who even "brags" about banging chicks on this sub anyway?

[–]roue_ -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When I complete my legacy il stop being promiscous. A 100 girls,a girl from all races (4) and a girl who is a hard 9. Until I do im not going to get in a relationship.

[–]lanfearl0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your legacy????

[+]j_arbuckle2012-13 points-12 points-11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wooo concern trolling. That's new.

[+][deleted] -20 points-19 points-18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

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