Stop Being A Beta Orbiter To Your Inner Voice

bl33dingr3d · 2015-10-10T16:30:25+00:00

This is related to negative self-talk, which everybody has to a certain degree. Learning how to shut your inner voice the fuck up when it starts in on self-pity or negative statements is critical for personal growth.

Like when you set out to do 4 circuit of something while exercising, and on the 3rd circuit you start to justify "dude, 3 times is a good place to stop, 4 is excessive" you need to be able to say "No, you set out to do 4 so you're not going home until it's done you fucking pussy".

ShounenEgo · 2015-10-10T18:21:52+00:00

I've read about the "you are not your inner voice" concept in a book about meditation. He dared to take the projecting test.

What he was suggesting was to attempt to project your inner voice as another person sitting on the couch or anywhere and debates you. Pay attention how often he is wrong, how often he's scared shitless over unimportant things like approaching the hot girl or asserting yourself.

After I did that exercise, I admit that if the voice inside my head was an actual person I'd kick his ass.

I suggest you to really get into meditation, not to quiet the voice - it's impossible - but to learn to control your level of attention towards it. Because, after all, your mind is all you have.

In case you're not meditating, this might convince you.

thewrightstuff88 · 2015-10-10T14:52:30+00:00

Agreeing and Amplifying yourself doesn't seem feasible long term as a man because we are more logical than a woman. A&A is great for women because it changes their emotional state from a shit testing one to one less aggressive because you flipped the script on them, didn't back down in frame, and subsequently made them laugh (most times, leading to good "feelz").

As a man, it boils down to self discipline and being in control of your feelings through logic. Yes, men hamster about many things but at the end of the day, simply abstaining from vices and using the logic that you were born with is what will get you through the day and will help you build discipline. I am not saying it's easier either but its the only approach that will sustain long term success.

nicechallenge · 2015-10-10T20:42:40+00:00

To be honest meditation imo it's better than any other activity. When I first tried it I was like wow this is boring and total bullshit. Left the practice after 3 days then I began to read some scientific studies and I was convinced there were real benefits. Now Ive been meditating 15 min daily for 1 month and let me tell you I'm already feeling better, calm but the most amazing benefit is being conscious of my negative thoughts and critiques of my environment during my day. My inner voice is now something I can more or less control instead of a constant spiral of negative thoughts.

let_terror_reign · 2015-10-10T20:12:10+00:00

TYOC(Taming your Outer Child) talks about this in great detail. There's rational You, the childlike inner(which is basically just your feelings) and Outer, which is the devil OP talks about. Outer throws tantrums, convinces you to take that extra bite of ice cream, to skip that last set, to jerk off just ONE MORE TIME.
You set down the law with outer, and stick true to yourself and your beliefs. The Adult in you knows what's best, let him lead.
I am not condoning blaming it like a split personality, however - don't fuck up and say OUTER MADE ME DO IT. Understand that you have different motivations until Outer comes to rest and accepts the adult as his master.

sir_wankalot_here · 2015-10-10T15:17:53+00:00

I think you need to get a new inner voice.

kaelle_sc · 2015-10-11T02:41:12+00:00

just like shutting up the egoic mind in “The Power of Now“

Chrience · 2015-10-10T15:42:25+00:00

"You are not your inner voice."

This is the VITAL difference between men and women. I don't know whether it's because men are born with larger pre Fontal cortexes in their brains or not, but men have this ability to separate themselves from their emotional minds, which allowed them to fight through struggle in wars or any other general hardship for example.

But for women, it simply isn't POSSIBLE to do this. Any 'discipline' from a woman must come from a place of comfort to start with, where there are no BAD FEELS to deal with in learning what to do. Most women can't pass the rigourous tests to get into the military, but men can pass thanks to their ability to ignore their inner voice bitching to them as they wade through the freezing mud. (Well, that was BEFORE standards were lowered to let women in.)

To succeed in university , for example, they must be prepared for it from age 4 by public schools with a comfy environment, feminine teaching styles and lots of 'extra chances' on tests and lenient punishments. ALL that time is needed for a woman, any less and they will not have built up the attitude or learning ability(and as Illimitable Man said, this 'ability' mostly just comes to Rote Memorisation with no real problem solving skills or creativity, they'd need even more time for a deep mental change like that). Most men were bored to death by the lack of challenge and slow learning pace there, but the schools were never REALLY for them. You're spending so many years in education not for YOU to learn, but for WOMEN to learn.

A guy can change his attitude in an instant to succeed academically after poor grades, by separating his mind from the addictive thoughts of indulgence and laziness. Theyre 'not their inner voice' as you say.

But for a woman, attitude changes can take years. Ever heard of a girl who was the school delinquent but changed her life to become successful? I didn't think so. If a woman didn't have the parents train her to be good from age 4 to 18, there's usually no hope for her. It's where the importance of a strong, consistent father figure to a daughter comes from.

This also explains why women spend so much more on therapy than men do, they NEED someone else to manage their minds and stop them obeying their own inner voice.

FueledByHerbs · 2015-10-10T15:13:48+00:00

pretty deep post dude - its all the way you think, ill keep this mindset next time i get depressed and rebound on junk food and skip the gym for 4 days.

fitslikeaglove92 · 2015-10-10T22:31:18+00:00

Your inner voice is your mind. However, your mind is NOT your consciousness. It is not you. It was created as a tool for us to use but due to a lack of awareness of the separation of these two concepts, has started to be thought of as our identity. This problem is evident in statements like Descartes' "I think, therefore I am." and causes great detriment to mental state.

There's a great exercise in Eckhart tolle's The Power of Now where he advocates 'watching the thinker'. Any time your inner voice starts talking or disparaging, recognize who is speaking and tell yourself "this is the thinker's opinion, not mine." Rather, focus on your body (similar to meditation) and you will always be grounded in reality.

anoobaccount · 2015-10-10T15:29:07+00:00

Man this would be great if I wasn't currently at the gym.

Seriously I can't stop going. Don't help me because this addiction is good.

nastynasthrowaway · 2015-10-10T19:40:23+00:00

Alan Watts is red pill as fuck.

boredepression · 2015-10-10T16:56:42+00:00

I consider myself fairly fortunate in this reguard. My inner voice rarly ever speaks.

RU_Crazy · 2015-10-10T23:02:58+00:00

Glad you made a thread out of your earlier comment.

I prefer to think of the inner voice as my advisor. Its the past me (all of my experiences) trying to depart wisdom. Rather than ignore the advisor I must listen and make a decision. The key is to not let the advisor become my boss or to dwell too long on any particular piece of advice. Instead I try to practice listening, contemplating, and deciding as quickly as possible.

When your advisor is giving you information and you don't make a decision that's where stress and anxiety builds. In essence you have an internal conflict between the executive (present you) and the advisor (past you). Until you resolve that conflict you will be stuck outside of the present and trapped in your own mind.

If you ignore the advisor you will have an internal conflict build up in your subconscious that will pop up again and again until you resolve it. On the other hand, if you listen to the advisor and let it control you without making a decision you're likely to become too complacent or anxious. That's why you have to listen, contemplate, and decide. Preferably as quickly and decisively as possible.

If you do this long enough, and sort out the bad advice from the good in the process, you might even be able to reprogram the advisor to be more inline with your present self.

Nature_Made · 2015-10-11T11:28:35+00:00

I think my inner voice is like a small child that remembers everything I say & everything I do & then tries to help by reminding me of how bad I said something was the last time I did it.

The inner voice needs to be led by example. If you don't want your inner voice to whine next time you have a job to do then you should not whine this time.

yungkillah · 2015-10-11T01:10:48+00:00

You could also relate this too "oh I shouldn't talk to this girl" JUST DO IT - Shia

mada0207 · 2015-10-10T16:44:53+00:00

I like to refer to my inner voice as my Inner Child.

redditmoose · 2015-10-10T18:30:46+00:00

I instead decided change the words that my voice uses.

"I do not wish for a lighter load, but instead for stronger shoulders"

It's not that you silence your voice or goad it. You just change what it says by correcting yourself and being mindful of what it should say.

franklyforthright · 2015-10-10T18:59:02+00:00

At the end of the day we are all a little bipolar / corrupt. But we can defeat it or you can succumb like an old friend did when he offed himself this week. Your choice

LukeMcFuckStick · 2015-10-10T20:49:07+00:00

This is so fucking important to success. I've witnessed my older brother will his way to whatever he desires. Graduate of West Point, pro qualified triathlete, army ranger and much more to come. Sure he is pretty talented but the deciding factor is his mental strength.

Aiadon · 2015-10-10T21:04:19+00:00

Is the inner voice supposed to talk by itself instead of it being consciously controlled?

BinarySolar · 2015-10-10T21:04:49+00:00

"You really should work out instead of just siting here looking at cat pictures"... Well, fuck you inner voice, I will not let you motivate me!

"You don't need pizza right now, just have cereal"... yes, I am going to have so much cereal the farmers are going to send me christmas cards.

If you inner voice is whining at you, WTF is really going on with yourself?

Zebleblic · 2015-10-10T21:23:04+00:00

So you have multiple voices in your head? I don't quite understand what you are getting at. Do you talk to yourself and not just think and act?

dname17 · 2015-10-10T21:28:27+00:00

Dude. I think you just perfectly described and solved my biggest problem towards self-discipline. Thanks you.

whenfoom · 2015-10-11T00:07:01+00:00

"I'm aware of this, but I don't identify with it."

kidlat020 · 2015-10-11T01:40:21+00:00

You should treat your inner voice

Satanism logic right there, "do what you will".

kidlat020 · 2015-10-11T01:43:41+00:00

Satanism logic right there. "do what you will".

Luckyluke23 · 2015-10-11T02:53:30+00:00

I've been doing game for the past 3 years or so ( i say game as it relates to trp)

my inner voice as been in control of me more all of that time. but the past 6 months, it's been in over drive.

I really think this is the BIIGEST problem I have right now. I'm in my comfort zone just the way my voice likes it. I'm gunna call him steve. lol. ( my names luke)

steve is a beast I must beat if i am to have any success at what I am trying to achieve. this post now makes that possible Thanks to the op (and the poster below. Steve and I thank you)

should_ · 2015-10-11T03:19:21+00:00

There's a very cool Hermetic text on mental gender which discusses the "I" (your intentions, your mental side) and the "me" (the emotional side, and the side you want to perfect).

I also notice that when I'm by myself and I talk to myself out loud (a nasty habit I realize I should stop) when I talk in the first person I'm often the feminine/me and when I talk in the second person I'm the masculine/I. But it switches too.

"This is fucking hard! ... Holy shit, calm down."

"Wow, I sure fucked that up. ... You better quit that."

"I'm hungry. ... Then make me a sandwich!" ;)

ScoobyGang · 2015-10-11T06:40:59+00:00

The way I always combated these feelings of negativity that we all get sometimes is by looking at the bigger picture. For example, not exactly the same example, but related, approach anxiety, not wanting to say something or go up to some woman for any number of reasons. I would always reframe it for myself in the sense, look do you really want to not say what you want and then think about it for a useless amount of time, of what could have been, about how you were too scared to make your move. On the flip side, maybe what you're going to say will make no difference. It does not matter. Pushing yourself in that way, separates you from external influence. You realize the consequences or the weakness in your gut has no baring on the situation. It is what it is and will be, and your weakness is just that, an impediment. The brevity of the fear of unknown, the embracing of it, and the resulting bittersweet lack of fucks to give is freeing. Inevitably, it gets easier to do what you need to do from experience and your confidence increases and the "voice" crops up less and less.

vengefully_yours · 2015-10-11T13:36:09+00:00

Mine keeps telling me to go after this chick I know, I tell it to fuck off because I have shit to do. Shit far more important than fucking a skinny girl with no tits. She will still be there when my work is done, so will countless others. That fucking inner voice still thinks girls are rare and valuable, hasn't it been watching all these years?

InsanityTrack · 2015-10-12T06:52:58+00:00

This is gonna help me so much. Recently been trying to improve my self especially in the weaker parts of my lifes like dieting for wrestling and this is gonna help me so much.

radio_dead · 2015-10-16T12:15:37+00:00

This is game/life changing advice...I will never forget it. Thank you for the post!

babydocnorman · 2015-10-10T18:09:16+00:00

You're not your inner voice.

I respectfully disagree.

Your beliefs become your thoughts, Your thoughts become your words, Your words become your actions, Your actions become your habits, Your habits become your values, Your values become your destiny.

If your inner voice is a whiny bitch, then you have a major problem. The proper course of action is to shove a huge red pill down that bitch's throat, not ignore it.

iLLprincipLeS · 2015-10-10T22:38:56+00:00

i don't fucking know, me and my inner voice.. psst, best friends forever, can't count the times it saved me from doing some big mistake.

you should really consider telling your inner voice: YOU ARE FIRED. and get something better. for fuck sake, that's all you have. or maybe, we just have different visions about the meaning of inner voice. or maybe, you consider it not your rational voice but your.. childish voice. so maybe, you must.. reconsider some things.

yungkillah · 2015-10-11T01:10:16+00:00

good post. interesting idea, never heard of this before

FutureChild07 · 2015-10-10T15:24:56+00:00

wow, great stuff sir, always struggle with my inner self.

Lemoonpie · 2015-10-10T18:23:21+00:00

If your inner voice is a bitch yes. My inner voice is a solid rationalist, the most interesting debate I have are with myself.

Title	Stop Being A Beta Orbiter To Your Inner Voice
Author	Temuzjin
Upvotes	299
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Date	October 10, 2015 2:29 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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