The T Boost Supplement Stack

prodigy2throw · 2017-05-03T07:05:41+00:00

I feel like all these supplements will lead to small upticks in test levels which are negligible at best. Sounds like a bunch of pseudo science imo.

Just buy some online and inject it in your ass.

throwinghthisoneaway · 2017-05-03T07:01:31+00:00

Ashwagandha root seems to be the most common thing in these supplements. Ashwagandha is also the same thing they put in extenze and other male enhancement supplements that can be found in a gas station. If you want to up your T levels change your diet and lift. Or get T from your doctor.

refusewool · 2017-05-03T08:30:54+00:00

TRP is founded upon logic and rationalism.

It would be very foolish for anyone reading this to believe anything you are saying without references to high-quality scientific evidence to back up each statement.

Otherwise, this is just bro-science, and that's not very 'Alpha', is it?

Shaman6624 · 2017-05-03T11:31:31+00:00

Or eat more fats. Fats get converted to Cholesterol, which is further converted into Testosterone (not a biology major, this is the simplified version). You don't need supplements. Supplements help, but without the diet they're totally useless, or as someone else mentioned they only raise your T levels by a nearly unnoticeable amount.

Here's a guy that increased his testosterone levels naturally and actually took blood tests to confirm his levels:

http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/01/18/how-to-increase-testosterone-naturally/

Basically he ate bacon and eggs for breakfast, high-fat-content foods for a salad at lunch (avocado, nuts, steak, broccoli, olive oil, balsamic vinegar, and spinach for zinc and magnesium), and just finish up your calories for dinner. The phrase he uses is "Whatever, in moderation" for dinner.

He mentions supplements, but they're an after thought at best. Mostly you benefit from diet and weight lifting. Go figure, it turns out that habit and good choices are what make your T levels go up, not quick fixes.

faggotbrains · 2017-05-03T07:44:55+00:00

Do you have any blood test results?

Shaman6624 · 2017-05-03T17:09:03+00:00

Boron seems to work. Found 4 studies supporting it (like a 30% increase in 6 weeks with 6 mg a day) and 1 finding no difference.

But to the other commenters: why would you inject testosterone. I've read that even one time will lower your t levels for the rest of your life?

To raise T:

Excercise with compound lifts (the more muscle activation each rep the better) and explosiveness.
Avoid BPA's and other phyto-estrogen substances.
Eat enough monounsaturated and saturated fats but don't eat polyunsaturated.
Be an alpha research has shown that taking charge gives you more T. So act as if you already have high T.
Don't have any vitamin deficiency's especially zinc and vit. D

Edit: 6. Have low bodyfat. Bodyfat stores estrogen which lowers test. so get <13%

redribbongoku · 2017-05-03T13:58:51+00:00

Many people in America (especially blacks like me) suffer from Vitamin D deficiency. However, taking vitamin D before bed really negatively affects sleep quality. It's been true in my case and in others'.

Just do your research on negative effects of these, and be careful

RedPillFreedom · 2017-05-03T07:22:32+00:00

Hey man, my list is similar. I notice results from the d, zma, fish oil combo.

Please, link me a good b complex and ashwagandha root.

theamazingswayze · 2017-05-03T11:26:53+00:00

Where is the scientific data supporting significant benefits from these?

Red_Invictus · 2017-05-03T11:44:00+00:00

I just wanted to chime in and say, I believe now in the current year, for men living in America, especially urban America, there has never been a greater need for proper supplementation. For the simple fact that the overall nutritional quality of our foods has been deteriorating for some time. Even if you buy straight from a farmer's market, the same damn soil being replanted year after year has been drained of nutrients. Another easy example anyone can point to is grass fed beef vs mass feedlot beef. Sure, it's more expensive, but also better tasting and nutritionally superior, generally speaking here. These are just facts, soil depletion is a thing. I'm not going to write an essay or cite studies here, it should be a logical premise that our food's overall nutritional quality is degrading.

Before TRP, been here for 3 years now, I was firmly anti-supplementation, mostly for the right sentiments - "shut the fuck up and just lift more" as a quick example. And there's a lot of truth in that, there's absolutely no substitute for hard work if you want progress.

As I've continued to learn more and research the science behind bodybuilding, as anyone else here knows, they are forced to learn the importance of nutrition. There's no substitute for that either.

How much supplementation do you need though? That's what each and every one of us needs to figure out for ourselves. With the point being made about soil depletion, I simply believe it's worth it to experiment and educate ourselves very diligently now more than ever, with our own supplementation regimens. You're in a city and never see a farmers market? You probably would see and feel some benefits from supplementing over time. You're in an office all day and don't get even a full 20 minutes of sunlight most days? You definitely should be supplementing some vitamin D.

Back on the OP's topic though, A+ post, nothing to add.

TLDR: the need for supplementation has increased, due to nutritional quality in food overall decreasing. If you aren't really trying to get good quality food in your area, or don't have access, you probably need to start investigating areas you could supplement.

yomo86 · 2017-05-03T13:34:48+00:00

As far as the medical tests show maxing the T-levels naturally includes only three sometimes four external factors:

Zinc (see study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8875519), Vit D (maximum|recommended intake is debated however the point of being toxic is know ie 50,000 international units which equals more than 10 high-dosage pills a day for over 6 months) (see study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21154195), Magnesium (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370) and sometimes but in modern times rarely Vit C (see study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4859110/).

Cost: Less than $ 3 for a 100 pill pack each.

Internal: Sleep, Exercise, Less psychological stress (see study above cross-effects are shown in almost all studies) - nofap is being highly and controversially discussed however a double-blind study is still absent. Cost: zero

If those means still fail you: seeing a physician is the most reasonable option.

imZIB · 2017-05-03T11:52:00+00:00

so you are taking 6 Aswaghanda Pills a day? smells like cancer to me

twatbutters · 2017-05-03T15:55:28+00:00

The only T boost you need is that which you get from lifting. Take a multi, and make sure you have enough calcium in your diet.

djthiago1 · 2017-05-03T16:26:58+00:00

OR.. you could just: Lift weights, masturbate no more than ONCE every 3 weeks, get some sun for Vit D, and sleep like an old dog. No supplements necessary.

baardpastei · 2017-05-03T12:18:02+00:00

I'm 22 right now and I can already feel a massive drop in my hgh and testosterone and my blood test will surely confirm it! I wouldn't expect to have much hormone left in my body while keeping a 9% bodyfat rate anyways.. What I'm planning to do is taking my results regardless of how they look to a good endocrinologist and then getting on some gh and testo shots while also not fucking up my insulin balance. The result will be awesome I believe coz otherwise I always feel hungry and exhausted and look like I'm already 30, on a half-decent body.

Westernhagen · 2017-05-03T12:32:06+00:00

I had low T for years without knowing it. All that time I was taking 2000IU of vitamin D per day and it wasn't raising my T. There are other good reasons to take vitamin D, but don't count on it to raise your T.

Captain_Swan · 2017-05-03T15:44:45+00:00

If you are looking into increasing test I highly recommend Maca. It's a root that Aztec warriors ate before wrecking people. Throw a tbls in your protein shakes and your life will be better. I do this everyday.

JcHgvr · 2017-05-03T20:02:15+00:00

If you could raise your T by substantial amount that would make a difference with just a vitamin stack, there wouldn't be a multi million pro hormone and steroid industry.

MaxwellGaine · 2017-05-10T00:15:10+00:00

Solid stack.

Two things I'd add (from experience):

Maca root, its a powder, throw a tablespoon in your yogurt or whatever in the morning. Boosts your libido and life-drive-energy-whatever you want to call it through the roof. You could use this as a coffee substitute. Doesn't necessarily directly boost test (studies are contradictory), but it does... something that feels similar. After starting maca I went from barely being able to make it through an hour of lifting to easily going 2-3 hours and having to drag myself out of the gym before injury. Black gelatinized is reportedly the best for men. I swear by this stuff.
Vitamin K. It helps Vitamin D absorb, among other good things. It's basically the best part of spinach.

EDIT: typos

mytrpname · 2017-05-14T16:26:06+00:00

The man who can defeat the lion, move the biggest rock, etc. (resulting from high testosterone)

this is biologically false. The testosterone likely is the motivator to be aggressive or to show off. The reason we can (as humans) is because our brains are far more developed than any other species. Yes we can get kinda strong, but in the animal kingdom we're wimps, even our mythological "hunters" and "warriors" were wimps without brains to make and use increasingly sophisticated tools.

T will motivate, but your brain will make it happen.

hva_vet · 2017-05-03T14:32:02+00:00

Without bloodwork showing total testoterone, free testosterone, LH, and estradiol you can't prove this stuff doesn't do any more than placebo.

Testosterone is regulated by the HPTA, or Hypothalamus/Pituitary/Testicular axis. The Hypothalamus senses the amount of estrogen (E2) and testosterone in the blood and regulates the secretion of Leutinizing Hormone (LH) which then in turn stimulates the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone. Some testosterone will be converted into E2 by aromatizing enzyme found largely in fatty cells, and some will be converted into Dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

The HPTA regulates testosterone production in a negative feedback loop. Any rise in testosterone and E2 will result in the downregulation of LH. The only way you can raise testosterone appreciably is to influence your bodies homeostatis over a period of time. If the body's HTPA is not functioning correctly, for a myriad of reasons, no amount of supplements will change anything. One can slightly influence this by losing some fat and lifting to build lean muscle mass. This takes a lot of time and the bodies inclination to reach homeostatis will fight against you the whole time. If one has either primary or secondary hypogonadism building lean muscle is very difficult.

I have secondary hypogonadism as the result of pituitary damage from a nasty concussion. I'm on TRT for life. My natural testosterone levels were never in the higher end of normal but after the concussion they dropped into hypoganadism ranges and I became very symptomaic for low testosterone and low estradiol. Since I'm doing injections now I'm able to basically bypass my HPTA (it didn't work right anymore anyway) and put myself into the higher range of normal. The difference is night and day.

Whitehowlite · 2017-05-03T12:35:25+00:00

Does anyone have much to spare on the supplement 'DHEA'? It's been laying around somewhere in my apartment for months.

Bambam22bam · 2017-05-03T13:27:16+00:00

I have had good results with fenugreek. You can get this online and it is not really expensive if you look in the right places.

EscortSportage · 2017-05-03T14:04:29+00:00

I take a multi v,fish oil, and a apricot seed pill in the AM with breakfast, Then a ZMA or just a plain Zinc pill before bed.

thewrecker8 · 2017-05-03T14:28:32+00:00

The only thing that will boost your test levels is taking test. Even if you manage to bump it up a few points taking whatever "natural" cocktails, you'll never notice the difference. Your levels fluctuate all day long if you're on natural production. Don't fall into the non stop bombardment from media about low T. If you think you have low T and have no symptoms, you don't. If you think you have symptoms because you lost a hard on once in a while or something, you don't. If you have constant fatigue, no interest in sex, foggy state of mind, and a list of other symptoms, you MIGHT. At that point get bloods done and follow the steps.

BusterVadge · 2017-05-03T14:30:48+00:00

I tried a bunch of "T-booster supplements", cycled them like I was supposed to and everything. None of them worked.

What did work was tweaking my diet and lifting heavier in the gym.

-Lowbrow- · 2017-05-03T14:44:00+00:00

I could mostly live with those supplements, but I am not sure about that ashwaganda. Simple formula: strength training, eat testosterone-boosting foods, and stop jerking off.

[deleted] · 2017-05-03T15:42:54+00:00

These supplements don't raise T, they just make you hornier and less tired in general. Ashwagandha especially, is really good for raging boners and better recovery from heavy lifting. The Indians used to use it to get the virility of a stallion, which is how it got its name.

The only way to raise T is by getting injections but you gotta make sure you have low T first otherwise you might end up with bitch tits or a micro penis. If you have low T, it's best not to try to raise it unless you're having trouble getting your dick up and shit. Injections should be your last resort.

hillbull · 2017-06-19T09:55:54+00:00

I've personally started my own TRT regimen using actual Testosterone-Enanthate at 175mg/week. I'm 45, and while my doctor said my T was normal, it's actually on par with the average 75 year old.

Doctors won't do much about it and the Men's Clinics charge so much they offer ways to finance your treatment.

There's a steroids and steroidsourcetalk subreddit with everything you need to know about doing your own TRT.

Since I started, I can tell you the difference is phenomenal. I feel 25 again. My workouts produce real muscle gains, my confidence is way up, and my libido is off the charts.

Yes, T is important, but you won't find real help over the counter if you're actually low.

_Poes_Law_ · 2017-05-03T15:56:14+00:00

I've spent the past year diving into health, supplements, holistic medicine, food as medicine, nutrition, etc. There is just so much to know and so many caveats to everything that I'm far more lost than when I started. That said, D3 and magnesium seem to be the constants that should be supplemented. Magnesium chelate seems to be the most bioavailable form. D3 intake should be determined by a doctor, but 4000 IU daily should be a safe minimum and 10000 IU an upper limit.

Other than that, who knows if this shit'll really help with T levels. It's a crap shoot. All I can say confidently is eat yer fuckin vegetables.

bowserlovespeach · 2017-05-03T16:33:08+00:00

Hey all, I work for a top nutraceutical company in the US and what I can tell you is that our industry is broken. Most of these days, companies are manufacturing junk and using garbage raw materials in their products but with a little bit of help from marketing and branding are able to get it in the hands of consumers. Supplements do have therapeutic effect but it all depends on 3 important things: 1) the bioavailability of the ingredient(how well can your body absorb it) 2) Therapeutic dosing 3) scientific research using the specific raw materials used in the product. You need to look for trusted brands that actually give a shit about what they are selling and most often than not, you can only find those through designated healthcare practitioners. My products, for example, are sold mainly out of doctors' clinics. People who claim that supplements are pseudoscience or "bro-science", more often than not have never actually taken an opportunity to try a supplement for themselves and see what kind of benefit they can actually provide to their health and well-being. Magnesium, for example, is a mineral that is used in over 350 different enzymatic reactions in our body. Due to our high stress lives and lack of it in our soil/food, the majority of us are depleted. Taking my magnesium supplement has dramatically improved my sleep cycle and in turn improved my testosterone levels (look up HPA axis dysnfunction and see how much cortisol can negatively affect testosterone production). Zinc is another one, fundamental to the production of testosterone but main food source is oysters and pumpkin seeds (not a sustainable source that can be consumed daily and in adequate amounts). All of this to say, before you disregard supplementation, I would recommend speaking a doctor (preferably a FUNCTIONAL MEDICINE doctor - https://www.functionalmedicine.org/practitioner_search.aspx?id=117), get some tests done and see what you actually need. For those not looking to spend that much money, EXPERIMENT. Your body should be your laboratory and in order to see what works for you, you need to try things out. If any of you would like studies or any further information, please reach out. Supplements have changed my life and I know they can do the same for many of you.

MrAnderzon · 2017-05-03T17:39:57+00:00

Is it not better to get your vitamins from food than a pill?

Metalgear222 · 2017-05-03T17:51:53+00:00

The truth is that none of these will provide significant changes in T levels. You want higher T? Inject it. Don't waste your time with these supplements.

If you are committed to being natty, the best T boost I'm familiar with is hitting legs so hard that you can barely walk the next 2 days. Because I have experience with extraneous T cycles, I'm very familiar with the feeling when i'm peaking on it. It's never more noticeable than the following few days after a solid leg day.

Dumptruck_mack · 2017-05-03T18:03:13+00:00

Testosterone Propionate, 30-50 mg, ED

Trenbolone Acetate, 50-100 mg, ED

sure way to boost test with least amount of damage to your liver

arthurabyssal · 2017-05-04T08:53:50+00:00

Butter. Grass-fed. Put it on everything. Zinc, selenium as well.

bolupua · 2017-05-04T13:57:55+00:00

Martial arts affect T. Just look at someone before and after one year of jiu jitsu. The body changes, the face changes, The T boost in huge. I could feel it, way more than lifting.

You go from never fighting to fighting other men for hours. Your body goes on emergency mode and start going at T like crazy.

Mckallidon · 2017-05-07T22:18:17+00:00

Way better off eating foods that contain these nutrients lol.

Steak. Brazil nuts. Lemons. Anything brassica but especially broccoli or cabbage. Sunflower seeds. Shellfish. Free range eggs.

drsherbert · 2017-05-03T15:37:51+00:00

Get some deep restful sleep 8-10 hours if possible. You should have morning wood everyday. Also, increase healthy fat intake i.e.; avocados, egg yolks, coconut oil, olive oil. Take mineral supplements; boron, zinc, magnesium, copper etc. eat oysters when possible. Lift heavy weights. Especially, squats and deadlifts. Don't overdo it in the gym!! Eat leafy green vegetables to reduce estrogen in the body. Get at least 100 grams of protein a day! Take ice cold showers 🚿 have sex often. Don't jerk off more than once a week and don't look at porn. Get 20-30mins of daily sunlight without sunglasses. Vitamin D is absorbed thru the eyes.

telenoobies · 2017-05-03T17:18:11+00:00

This post is full of retard.

Tarmyniatur · 2017-05-03T11:35:05+00:00

Vitamins, minerals and fish oil can help testosterone levels IF you are deficient. If you are not, you will not experience any effect. Only way to know is to go to your endocrinologist and get a blood panel, which you should do every 6 months anyway.

Other testosterone boosters range from insignificant to useless. Ashwagandha doesn't even increase testosterone.

smilingbanana · 2017-05-04T04:44:29+00:00

Buddy let me make this short. There are two ways.

Sleep, lift, eat eggs and don't jerk off.

If that doesn't make you right then inject anabolics. You can curse mother nature if it will make you feel better.

Everything in between is pseudo bullshit.

From supps you need whey protein. Eventually creatine.

And secret for the end: there is a thing that is proven to raise your t levels, libido, and all over alphaness. It's called Maca powder. I swear, your girlfriend won't forget those nights.

smilingbanana · 2017-05-04T04:44:29+00:00