Which to do first - lose ~50 lbs as quickly as possible, or lose weight slowly and focus on weight training?

noblepaladin · 2014-07-12T02:41:14+00:00

If you are 50 pounds overweight, then whatever gets you back to looking normal will be best. Adding some muscle with that much fat still won't look good. My guess would be losing the weight. It will also depend heavily on the person (ex: a tall person can carry extra pounds without looking as fat as a short person).

But personally, I would say that if someone has 50 pounds of excess fat, then "getting laid the fastest" is the wrong way to think about it. It is highly improbable that someone who became 50 pounds overweight can quickly lose it or be able to gain a lot of muscle, because there is some lack of self discipline in there. What is most important is picking a program that he can stick with for the long run, and developing mental toughness and discipline so he can avoid bad habits in the future. Abruptly adopting a rapid weight loss program with the goal of getting laid ASAP is usually setting oneself up for failure and reversion to old habits.

Aroooooo · 2014-07-12T02:50:58+00:00

Get on a 3x5/5x5 program, and eat on a -300 caloric deficit every day. Make sure you get enough protein every day. That's all, no need to overthink it.

bobbyontario · 2014-07-12T03:57:16+00:00

As somebody who lost 50lbs in <4mo on keto, just lose the weight first. After that, clean bulk and your ass will be grabbed by Christmas. And you will know how to eat right and balance your macros from reading so many damn labels, so getting swole will be easier too.

2014-07-12T02:36:46+00:00

Keep in mind that muscle burns a good amount of calories. Get dem gainz.

BadgerBurger · 2014-07-12T04:16:18+00:00

Quicker? Weight loss, probably. The lean physique is more universally seen as attractive. Lean with very little muscle is seen as attractive (or at least, not a dealbreaker) by a lot of women. You can also fit into more flattering clothes.

However, I don't want to discourage the "Big Sexy" look. Did you see the ESPN Bodies issue most recently with Prince Fielder? I know a lot of women who were like, "He looks strong. He could protect me ANYtime." You don't have to be rail thin to be attractive. Just know that.

That said, between achieving that level of muscle and achieving lean "ottermode" physique -- lean is more attainable.

redpilltree · 2014-07-12T05:22:16+00:00

There is a right way and a wrong way to do things, yes, but when you are 50 lbs overweight you need to just understand that optimization is not important. Get in the gym, lift weights like a beast on whatever program you like (I recommend Arnold's beginner workout if you are new or Starting Strength with some additional hypertrophy work), do HIIT, walk a lot, drink a lot of water, and eat at a 500 calorie deficit.

To look 2-3 points higher in SMV and essentially look not ripped, but very solid, muscular and masculine, you want to be in the 12% bodyfat range WITH A GOOD LBM.

The shortest road to that is to train both strength and hypertrophy while on a cut, because as a newb, you're going to lose weight and build muscle. Exercise for your strength, discipline, and overall fitness. Exercise to be able to have 30 minute long fuck sessions where you can lift the girl up. Diet for the fat loss. The shortest route to a solid high SMV body (for a 6 foot guy this would be around 185-200 lbs at 10-15% bodyfat) is to use diet and cardio as a tool to create the perfect caloric deficit (while hitting compound lifts like a beast to increase your strength.)

This will get you to a lean muscular body and I 100% believe it's more effective than going from fat -> skinny fat -> skinny -> lean muscle. Lose 1-2 lbs of fat per week and if you start plateauing, up the cardio / HIIT and clean up your diet. You will take longer to lose the weight, but look great when you do and have the perfect strength platform to start immediately packing on muscle mass as soon as you hit your desired bf%.

Trust me, don't avoid weights. Your metabolism will go fucking insane if you are getting in 3-4 intense, short cardio / HIIT workouts and 3-4 strength/hypertrophy workouts every week too. Not to mention lifting boosts your test and dieting naturally will elevate cortisol and decrease testosterone (slowing your fat burning). Lifting is second after diet when it comes to body recomp. Which is what I am suggesting you think of this as (not losing weight, but body recomp).

shebiter · 2014-07-12T08:31:46+00:00

I've lost 115 lbs. over two years just counting calories. I get laid whenever I want now. Bulk up after.

2014-07-12T02:44:23+00:00

I started at about 15lbs overweight and I'm currently eating at a 10-15% calorie deficit with plenty of protein (1g/lb bodyweight) while lifting and doing cardio (10k runs/20 min bike). Weights coming off steadily, and muscle is pretty steady, small gains in certain areas. 50lbs is considerable, but if you are strict in a year you'll be at your target weight, with quite a bit of muscle.

2014-07-12T12:40:08+00:00

I just hit 60 lbs down the other day. It took 180 days (252 to 190) I only lift, bike and do sprints which are the two most congruent cardio exercises to gaining in the gym, and biking is how I prefer to get around. Noob gains are everything. Sure I may still have fat on my stomach because I'm not there yet, but my chest and shoulders are broader and my waist looks better because I have a stronger lower back from deadlifts and squatting. I look a lot better with a shirt on and have a good strength base to continue in the gym. I eat at a 300 deficit on Layne Norton's cutting diet. I would advise you to start in the gym now because I saw my lifts shoot up as fast as others did who were not eating at a deficit. I can upload progress pictures if you like.

PlusGoody · 2014-07-12T12:48:43+00:00

Focus on losing the weight, but workouts from day one are important. 30 minutes of low impact, upper body involved, cardio (elliptical, erg, swimming) a day, 3x a week a program of light dumbbells and crunches to tone and get used to the exertion. When you are at your target waist and chest measurements, then add back clean calories and start to move the weights you are lifting up.

DO NOT ever get on a bulking / cutting or zero cardio body building program. These are psychologically hard for the standard body builder who is genetically / congenitally ectomorohic or mesomorphic -- for a guy who is inclined to be a fat dude, they are impossible.

Occams_Shiv · 2014-07-12T14:44:34+00:00

Talk to your doctor about how much weight is safe to lose. If you go into serious calorie deficit and work out you will drop weight fast. Maybe too fast. Your liver can only process a certain amount of fat at a time. If you fuck your liver that's permanent, so get medical supervision.

Doomsday_ · 2014-07-12T15:27:12+00:00

which would get me laid fastest?

This is the wrong attitude to have. The truth is that you are considering taking on a significant lifestyle change that will take a lot of discipline and will pay off in the long run, not with quick results.

Lifting weights will improve your confidence in ways that walking and dieting do not (in addition to the physical payoff). It also burns calories and stimulates your body to produce muscle mass which uses calories to build and to maintain. It is possible to lose fat while increasing your strength.

If your focus in on getting laid, make sure you start approaching women immediately (if you aren't already), while continuing to exercise and to pursue your mission.

IamAwaken · 2014-07-12T09:07:48+00:00

I highly recommend Starting Strength 3rd edition by Mark Rippetoe.

I really like the program and get a lot more sex when I'm on it than when I'm not on it. I've never kept after weights for more than a few months, but I've picked it up off and on for 10 years.

If you're fat it slims you down and if you're skinny it bulks you up. Most guys who aren't in good shape have a combo problem of a fat gut/ass but skinny arms/legs. This should help you imagine and understand why lifting is more important for the sexiness results.

weag5l · 2014-07-12T02:43:42+00:00

It depends what you want. Do you want to lose weight? Or do you want to gain muscles. Do you want to be strong because you want to do specific things? Or do you just want man-boobs-pecs.

DrakeSaint · 2014-07-12T03:53:21+00:00

I'm not going into detail which one is most efficient or not. I'm thinking of your mentality of choosing whichever gets you laid fastest.

You shouldn't lose weight/gain muscles to get laid. There are a fuckton of betas which are pussy-whipped gymrats. Testosterone alone won't give you a mentality to get laid quick.

GuitarHero07 · 2014-07-12T03:54:42+00:00

I would focus on high intensity workouts with short rest intervals. That way, you will get toned muscles and also burn fat. Lifting weights is great for weight loss too. It has the added advantage of burning calories even when you're not working out (your body has to expend energy to remodel broken down muscle tissue). Don't worry too much about lifting very heavy....focus on intensity.

People who only lose weight by walking, jogging etc. and counting calories tend to look like deflated fatties. You have to tone up all that muscle underneath the flab as well. Of course, the most important part of any exercise program is to actually stick with it!

GerhardtDH · 2014-07-12T05:17:53+00:00

Losing more than two pounds a week can be deadly. Safely get down to a 12% body fat ratio, then begin to aim for muscle gains. Fuck social value, your health is more important.

You cannot gain muscle and burn fat at the same time. You can zig zag between gains and fat loss, but I have found that getting down to a healthy weight THEN going for muscle gains is way more effective than any compromise. Always.

jsl2837 · 2014-07-12T07:29:17+00:00

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bertstare10 · 2014-07-12T07:39:04+00:00

For fast weight loss I would focus mainly on a lot of slow moving like walking/hiking, and pretty strict calorie restriction. For better gym gains I would eat more calories and accept that I'm going to be obviously overweight for the foreseeable future.

What?

Dude, LOSE weight asap. DO NOT EAT at a calorie surplus when you're ALREADY 50 pounds over weight.

A fast walk/hike isn't going to get you gains. The best fat lose IMO is fast paced training. Honestly, the best way to go about this is to sign up for a boxing gym and get the mitt and glove sessions (I used to pay 200 dollars for 12 sessions of 3 minute ring sessions). I lost 10 pounds in 3 weeks JUST from doing that.

If you can't afford that I'd just start doing things like 10 push ups and then go straight to 10 sit ups than 10 mountain climbers then 10 jumping jacks. Something where you're NOT taking a large/long break.

Obviously you can do this with weights too but cardio will help a TON

RebootedMale · 2014-07-12T08:04:32+00:00

My only feedback is this "get down to <12% body fat" business is something that can take a VERY long time for some people without putting their health in jeopardy. 12% is not some magic number. Take a balanced approach. BALANCE.

EDIT: You need to take the LONG view. The goal is NOT to change your life overnight. Work HARD (the workouts should make you feel like collapsing), but stay within healthy, reasonable parameters. You certainly have other things to focus on in addition to your body. Take a holistic view. making substantive chances to your life are not things you can do quickly.

anonlymouse · 2014-07-12T08:12:27+00:00

Losing 50lbs quickly isn't a good idea, the faster you lose it the more likely you are to regain it (and more).

Focus on weight training and slowly losing the weight (or rather fat, muscle weighs more than fat, so you won't notice the loss on a scale, so make sure to measure your waist instead or use a fat caliper), you'll have better odds of being able to maintain it in that case.

Getting laid fast isn't going to do you much good if you balloon right back, then you'll be fat again and pining for something you used to get.

anothercarguy · 2014-07-12T08:16:49+00:00

I lost 50 pounds quickly and saw good results from women then I put muscle on that could be seen. That was appreciated. Just dont take the muscle road too far.... guys end up giving you more attention than you bargained for

Geocan001 · 2014-07-12T09:51:50+00:00

If you're 50 pounds overweight (20-25kg with back of the envelope math,) You don't need to over think it. Just like everyone's been saying.

Look at some of your worst foods and try to cut them out a bit. Hit the gym and get a basic program (maybe a pt can help you with that, otherwise the internet is loaded with programs.)

Be less worried about your weight and google the healthy ratio for men. I think it's chest/hip. You can bring your weight into the equation later.

2014-07-12T10:46:54+00:00

Seriously do an eggs & steak diet (zero carbs diet). I'm lean but I'm cutting for aesthetics. I lost 2KG in 6 days this is my 5th week on the diet. I'm doing a five day split with this diet & intermittent fasting 8:16. I only eat two meals a day (400g of steak & 4-6 eggs) 2PM & 10PM. Don't feel hungry during the day, have a lot more energy. Save money by not buying snacks during the day. Every Saturday is a cheat day which is needed on the diet so your body doesn't go into starvation mode, something to look forward to.

Newbosterone · 2014-07-12T20:51:05+00:00

Which ever builds your confidence faster. Your SMV is determined more by how you interact with women than by what she sees when she looks at you.

redditor1255 · 2014-07-14T02:59:02+00:00

Weight lifting consumes rather few calories. You should enter a "cut," which means you eat at -700 calories net per day and work out like a motherfucker.

OrpheusV · 2014-07-12T02:35:05+00:00

Start building muscle. Ideally you'd want to try to lose excess fat and once you've lost most of it start working on strength training. That said, this is probably a question the fitness sub might be able to field a bit better.

hunotquite · 2014-07-12T03:45:31+00:00

You can do both at the same time.

During the weekdays I do one gym day, one swim day, one squash playing day, repeat. Every saturday and sunday I do 1 km swimming, then go to the gym to build muscle. Eat only meat, vegetables, yogurt, and cereals.

Don't eat before going to bed. never.

If you do this, you burn A LOT MORE calories than normal and build muscle. You get slim in two weeks really.

Tomohawk92 · 2014-07-12T15:29:10+00:00

Eat your maintenance and work on recomp. Contrary to what people say, you can gain LBM while losing fat. This is something that WILL work if you stick to it.

Pull/Push/LegsAbs once a week 3-4 Exercises of 4 sets of 8 reps each day for Push&Pull. Similar for legs but sets of 12 for abs

MUST Include deadlift on pull day and squats on leg day. choose between OHP and DB bench for push Use dumbbells as much as possible

Work to doing this twice a week. At my prime i was doing 6 days a week, and 3 days rest was plenty for a muscle at the rep ranges performed above

RPModulator · 2014-07-12T03:41:07+00:00

Note that losing weight too fast can cause long term endocrine problems. Slow and steady is the way to go . . .

I suggest you go on a slight caloric deficit, with protein-heavy macros, and, as others have stated, a low-rep, high-set program, e.g., stronglifts, or whatever. Just note that some people (e.g., me) can't lift too heavy when in caloric deficit. So, if you are constantly feeling tired, or getting injured more often than you think you should, back off on the weight.

CarrotTrees · 2014-07-12T20:52:33+00:00

lose weight and focus on weight training because, while you won't be gaining any muscle, you'll retain what you have. If you straight up lose weight you'll lose a fat and muscle and you'll look pretty shitty, probably skinny fat. Go check out r/fitness join a gym and do Starting Strength.

Kewl_Kid · 2014-07-12T10:34:00+00:00

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Title	Which to do first - lose ~50 lbs as quickly as possible, or lose weight slowly and focus on weight training?
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Date	July 12, 2014 2:26 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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