Why does TRP get so much hate from other men? You would think they would be grateful that there are groups who are standing up for their rights...

anonysaurus · 2013-10-28T16:22:29+00:00

Because if we're right, then everything they've ever been told about how to treat women their entire lives is a lie.

If we're right, then they are wrong.

I for one know I hate it when my long standing views are shown to be bullshit.

Much easier to just attack us.

TannhauserOverture · 2013-10-28T17:01:26+00:00

TRP does NOT "stand up for men's rights" - it's for people who prefer to see the world as it is instead of constantly whining about how it should be (according to them, obviously)

mordanus · 2013-10-28T17:59:02+00:00

The way I see it there's a few reasons for it.

white knighting.
If we are right then that makes them wrong and no one wants to be a loser.
It is so damn illogical. On paper it makes almost no sense that women should like a man that treats them badly. We think if we love a woman then we should shower them with praise and that will make them like us more. Even in the face of so much evidence it just doesn't make sense and so they fight it.

wakethfkupneo · 2013-10-28T17:53:07+00:00

We live in feminist society. More than 90% males are raised (indoctrinated) to be betas. Some find the right path on their own, but most don't. And most of us here came from the Blue Pill background i.e. opted to be unplugged, for that matter.

Now imagine some bunch of 'weirdos' come, with sound theory and proof to back it up, and basically tell you: "dude, you suck! man up!" - this, I believe, is where the hate comes from. The hardest thing in the world is admitting your mistake. And to make it worse this is not some minor mistake but major paradigm shift.

InfraredPillpusher · 2013-10-28T16:23:29+00:00

TRP is standing up for men's rights?

Edit: I should clarify that this question was facetious, but I appreciate the appropriate responses.

-Fony- · 2013-10-28T16:15:17+00:00

remember morpheus explaining the matrix to neo?

magicalbird · 2013-10-28T17:08:11+00:00

Betas like cypher get jealous when women like trinity don't go with them and go with men like neo if you want to use another matrix reference

2013-10-28T17:28:34+00:00

Cognitive dissonance. That's all it boils down to.

" In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. In a state of dissonance, people may sometimes feel "disequilibrium": frustration, hunger, dread, guilt, anger, embarrassment, anxiety, etc.[1] "

dropit_sphere · 2013-10-28T17:38:01+00:00

Don't forget that some of it is "show" hate, intended for the benefit of any women watching. "Off the Internets with ye, foul misogynists!" ("Fair maidens, canst thou not see thy Knight has come?")

lordofthejelly · 2013-10-28T21:53:46+00:00

Why does TRP get so much hate from other men?

Simply put, because men are programmed by evolution to do so.

Evolution has long programmed men to value women over other men, even over themselves. Why? Because societies that valued the survival and good health of women (particularly young women) over all else would simply outreproduce and outcompete neighboring societies that didn't.

Today, the idea that women are not more valuable, moral, or important than men is one of the central tenets of TRP. This idea violates millions of years of men's evolutionary programming going back to our ape-like ancestors, and perhaps 10,000 years of social programming as well.

And that's why you see the hate. Men are biologically programmed to hate TRP.

The way I see it, men hating TRP is a lot like women's hypergamy. Both are rooted in a primitive biological programming that requires a high level of self-awareness to undo in today's world.

frazzleddd · 2013-10-28T20:35:35+00:00

Because this ideology only benefits the individual who adheres to it. Men who aren't in this mindset suffer from our actions in the traditional beta vs alpha struggle. Alpha fucks beta bucks.

Also its very difficult to change your entire ideology on something when you're brought up a certain way. My switch from a liberal mindset to a conservative mindset took years due to my upbringing. Same with the TRP. Its also why people cling to ideas like the earth being 5000 years old. Its what they were raised on and that process is one of the most powerful methods of brainwashing that exists.

anonysaurus · 2013-10-28T16:25:01+00:00

I think a lot of people have a huge misunderstanding of what TRP is... including many of the new people who subscribe and post in TRP. Alot of shit here belongs in r/seduction

GayLubeOil · 2013-10-28T16:51:01+00:00

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ekjohnson9 · 2013-10-28T18:54:55+00:00

Weak strategy "agree with her she'll line me more!" Men are taught not to "invalidate" women by never disagreeing with them

2013-10-28T20:47:37+00:00

Set aside all cognitive dissonance and Blue-Pilled mentalities, we have to face the fact that most Red Pill ideologies are considered to be unpopular in today's culture. Some of these men don't understand the Red Pill model while others just don't want to listen to it.

GayLubeOil · 2013-10-29T05:30:06+00:00

Men are competitive and tribalistic. Men will defend there in group VS the outgroup even if the entire dispute is retarded. We often talk about whats wrong or stupid about women. This is what is stupid about men. It goes both ways.

eof · 2013-10-28T17:37:40+00:00

I think it's two main things:

people just generally being unable to accept new information that rocks their existing paradigm (see: Structure of Scientific Revolutions, by Kuhn)--ie, like /u/-Fony-'s apt comparison to morpheus/neo.
this particular subreddit; and lots of sort-of post-third-wave-feminism communities where men are reintegrating into their minds the lessons from the last 50-70 years, are chock full of misogyny.. and it's annoying.. just like racism or any hate is annoying.

I came to TRP by proxy of the 'seduction'/'pua' communities, which are sometimes much worse than this subreddit.. but all and all fairly comparable in that regard. But I have stuck around not because I realized "women be bitches and i realize i have the powerz" but because I came to understand, through analysis in my brain and 'field testing' that a lot of my basic assumptions about what is fair/right/good were actually wrong--but I didn't do it with this lingering distaste in my mouth toward women as a gender which I see a lot of in these subs; not that I don't get it. I have been 'lucky' enough to be relatively successful with women my whole life.

I'm a feminist in the same way I'm an anarcho-capitalist, pro-revolution, pro-privacy, open source-loving idealist. I recognize a history of abuse of power, and so the problems that first and second wave feminism brought forward really struck a cord with me; I want all people to be treated well and fairly in the world.

TRP gave me the insight to recognize the idiosyncratic flaws in thirdwave feminism, which dominates feminist dialogue (at least in my experience) today. The issues first and second wave feminism brought forth are basically solved today and I think it's good. It's better for everyone if women can vote and have every right/advantage men do.

But it's not necessarily better for women to do the same shit that men do; that is, everyone can potentially be more happy by embracing some of these 'stereotypical' gender roles, since the feminists in the 1950s-2010s (bless their hearts) didn't realize that some of these gender roles were maybe more biological than we thought (look at the emphasis on gender being a cultural construct in todays women's and anthro programs).

So while I have always wanted rooted for 'the ltitle guy', whether it is the migrant worker, union organizer, or woman; I have done it because I want everyone to be happy and have the ability to have the best life possible. It turns out, (at least, my current working hypothesis) is that embracing some of these gender roles rather than rejecting them (third wave feminism) actually increases net happiness for everyone.

Any philosophy that increases 'mens' happiness at the expense of 'womens' is not for me; because fuck you and your beard, I want my sister and best buddy and platonic homey female to all be happy way before some random dude; and, I believe the universe doesn't need to create a win/lose situation, and a winning philosophy will be one that increases net happiness for everyone.

tl;dr: TRP gets hate because people resist paradigm changes, and TRP idiosyncratically draws a bunch of butthurt keyboard jockeys that are mad at women for various reasons which puts more reasonable people off.

WheelbugScaphism · 2013-10-28T17:31:57+00:00

Who cares why? Fuck em.

2013-10-28T16:54:42+00:00

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mysterioussydney · 2013-10-28T22:43:54+00:00

Just another battle between realists and romantics

tallwheel · 2013-10-28T23:39:12+00:00

The version of TRP on this sub-reddit = hedonistic shallow meatheads who think pussy/notch count = purpose of life.

i'm red-pill, but i don't necessarily like this sub. wtf are most of the threads about? going to parties, texting sluts, banging sluts, feeding trolls from other subs, coming up with new idiotic theories using their psych 101 knowledge to bang more sluts.

TRP is a spectrum. dudes here are reformed betas peddling and repeating nonsense evo-psych bullshit. posting all the time about how many sluts they are fucking, but one has to wonder how they manage this while posting on reddit for 4 hours a day. talking about banging HB 8s, but never any pics. yea, everyone on the internet is very impressed.

the misc forums on bodybuilding forums are more entertaining (and redpill)

if you want intellectual conversations head over to /r/mensrights or mgtowforums

this sub is overwhelmingly full of "alphas" who talk about banging sluts all the time. yea, sticking your dick in a girl is totally an accomplishment. think about that for a minute. men here with all their cognitive abilities, basically wasting time having pissing contests about how many sluts they've fucked, and what the best strategy is to fuck more sluts.

why post about notch counts, or the quality of women you are fucking, if you don't want validation from other men? how is this RP? why the fuck do I care about your conquests. people here often mention the lock and key analogy. a lock that is opened by many keys is a shitty lock. so fucking a slut who has probably taken a dozen dicks before you, and will take a dozen dicks after you....whats so impressive? You just wasted hours of your life talking and gaming this essentially worthless slut to get her to spread her legs.

thro_way · 2013-10-29T04:25:11+00:00

Men impress women by dominating other men. Calling them misogynist, neckbeard virgins is a great way to do this.

MRAfront · 2013-10-28T21:16:50+00:00

Morpheus can explain that very easy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoMXYBztdg

redpilldude · 2013-10-29T01:27:26+00:00

Because manginas have been brain washed their entire lives, and they don't want to have to change their entire ideology.

FortunateBum · 2013-10-29T01:48:56+00:00

Got some examples? I haven't seen it.

GODZILLAFLAMETHROWER · 2013-10-28T22:19:24+00:00

Well, I'm a man, and I really dislike TRP. I think I'm already banned from this subreddit, or at least shadow banned.

If you are interested by an answer that doesn't come from the exact same state of mind that about every other one here, feel free to let me know.

violent_frame · 2013-10-28T21:01:21+00:00

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WheelbugScaphism · 2013-10-28T17:25:52+00:00

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2013-10-29T04:30:49+00:00

Think about it this way. RP hates on MR. MR hates on RP. Seduction hates on RP. RP hates on Seduction. MR hates on Seduction. Seduction hates on MR. Askmen hates on all 3, even though routinely upvoted answers are - surprise surprise - nearly always MR or RP themed in nature.

Notice the pattern - guys on the whole are very sensitive about their label and argue stupid semantics. We as a society have a problem with this - we only know how to look for differences rather than commonalities. Even RP does it - if I linked an article from say Tyler from RSD, say his "Evolve beyond a dumbed down mainstream" half of you would hate on it, because you'd say "RSD is a cult, it's so lame". When in reality, 75% of what comes out of them is completely similar to RP ideas.

When you combine this propensity with humans' tendency to believe other people's opinions about a subject without even investigating it themselves, no wonder you have RP hate. People cannot say "let me take my own life experiences and compare them to my own understanding of these RP articles I've read". They either don't read the articles with clear eyes to begin with, or they cannot be honest about their own experiences, and instead compare RP ideology to the fantasy world they have built up in their head.

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