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[–]lordbyron0001 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Only you know whether it was smooth or not, whether the setting and the moment were appropriate or not. The bottom line, she said no.
Don't message her; if she does, good for you; otherwise, move on.
[–]MO_drps_knwldg 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Number one, your frame of mind. “I was afraid…”
Number two, the weird short speech before the kiss. Just go for it.
Like others said, you were acting like a friend from the beginning
[–]Yerebeets 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Don’t tell her you’re going to kiss her, don’t tell her you pussied out the last time. Show that with your actions. But you unfortunately already missed the chance with this one, learn from it and do better next time.
[–]MrWolffman 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I will, thanks for the help bro
[–]Yerebeets 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure thing! Let me know in DMs if you have any more questions regarding that.
[–]emil133 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its usually a bad idea to tell her that you lacked the confidence to do it the last time. Next time if the vibe is right, just lean in and go for it. Id suggest trying that after something more intimate like drinks or something, and not a badminton hangout
[–]AgileDoughnut555 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The more you text her, the more you friendzone yourself. You need to let her initiate most of the texts. And when she does, don’t respond so quickly. Texting is just a tool for setting up dates, nothing more.
Dates are about one or two things: getting to know each other emotionally and physically. Badminton had little chance of turning into sex. That’s not a romantic date. You need to set up your dates more intentionally.
Then you spilled the beans and told her how much you liked her after receiving little physical affection from her. Meanwhile she is probably banging some other guy. Hard truth, but you put yourself into the friendzone here by overpursuing and treating her like a friend.
[–]MrWolffman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree with almost everything. I didn't overpursue, its her initiating. I just didn't make a move or build sexual tension properly.
[–]AgileDoughnut555 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The next date needs to end at your place. Do a light dinner/drinks (ensure you can sit close enough to touch her), perhaps a walk, then see if she wants to have a quick drink at your place. When you get to your place, you need to start escalating fairly quickly (within 10-15 minutes).
[–]MrWolffman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay, I'll do it
[–]AgileDoughnut555 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good luck buddy!
[–]rhofire 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
What did I do wrong here?
It was over by the time you went on the first date. All the stuff you've been doing has nothing to do with attracting a woman. You were acting like she's a friend from the beginning.
Still, we text almost daily and sometimes in a flirty manner.
You're not helping yourself here. Yeah, that's what people on here will tell you to do. But, it's wrong. You shouldn't waste so much of your time and energy with a girl you're not in a relationship with. That's part of the reason why she sees you as a buddy.
I was afraid to make a move
Until you address this issue, that's what your life is going to be in relation to women.
[–]vroomvroomski 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I agree it was over by the time he went on the first date, but texting a girl can definitely help build attraction if you do it properly and in a fun way. I feel it's outdated advice to just recommend not texting the girl.
It's just don't text about boring stuff and try too hard. When I text girls I send whatever funny/flirty shit is on my mind and I mix it up by sending voice memos back and forth too. Then sometimes they call me or we do FaceTime which makes it even easier to flirt and build sexual tension.
I've attracted models in different countries without even meeting them and then sleeping with them on the first place, all by creating sexual tension over text and video. Don't overlook it!
[–]rhofire -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
but texting a girl can definitely help build attraction if you do it properly and in a fun way.
Men who have options with women don't waste time on this kind of stuff. It's much easier to meet a new girl who's actually down with you.
I feel it's outdated advice to just recommend not texting the girl.
Your feelings don't change the reality that texting is the way guys who are scared of women do things.
Don't overlook it!
I've slept with girls without wasting my time on all this stuff.
[–]warrenrb1981 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
🤣🤣🤣 This is like saying "Why do daygame when you can do night game". If however you do it, you approach, build attraction, escalalate, then end up in bed with her who cares if its through text, in person, skype, or email?
[–]rhofire -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The difference is that I skip all the steps you've put between approaching her and ending up in bed.
[–]vroomvroomski 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't build attraction and escalate? Lmao wtf so u only like fucking whores then
[–]vroomvroomski 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Nah bro you just don't know my vibes. Men who have options do whatever they want. I like texting girls because I'm too busy to go on dates with all of them if we don't end up building mutual attraction. But after texting+facetiming I can gauge if she's dtf or a timewaster
I am not scared of women lol but I am young at 22 and very busy so I know this is the easiest way to get girls I want.
Congrats for fucking but I don't consider texting and calling time wasting if I actually enjoy it and it leads to sex with low effort.
[–]rhofire -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't consider texting and calling time wasting
But what if you can get the girl without all that stuff?
Also, do you mean only calling and texting for a couple of minutes to handle logistics (which I do)? Or do you have actual conversations?
[–]vroomvroomski 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I travel a lot cuz I own a business and also do music. Usually I text and FaceTime girls a week or so before I'm in their city. I'm able to build sexual tension which is fun for both parties and makes it way easier once we are in person.
Also I have some girls I text with a bit more like send a couple flirty messages back and forth every day. It's fun for me cuz before I used to be needy and always crave validation from girls too much but now I have a bunch giving me validation by flirting with me sexually over text, so I don't care about it as much.
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's fun for me cuz before I used to be needy
You still are, that's what I'm driving at.
and always crave validation from girls too
Besides the fact that you're scared to be honest, this is one reason why you like to waste time on this stuff.
I have a bunch giving me validation by texting me
This proves how insecure you are.
Are you going to answer my question? I'm pasting again, for your convenience:
[–]vroomvroomski 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Bro I'm not needy anymore because my needs are fulfilled by pointless hoes so when I interact with women I actually like I'm able to be normal and not down bad. I also just got verified on Instagram which has helped a lot with reaching out to random hot girls that live in cities around the world
I don't have text convos but I do have convos on FaceTime. Texting is just for random comments building sexual tension and setting up date
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, all that's weak.
[–]vroomvroomski 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah I stop being needy when my needs are met, and they are.
But whatever you're entitled to your opinion. I'm getting great results with what I'm doing, actually just started dating a hot asf model with 100k followers on Instagram that I met online lol
[–]MrWolffman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback
[–]eszibit 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
so, let's analyze objectively.
on the plus side, she clearly likes you ( we'll see if as a friend or more )
you had 4 dates
you 2 have fun together
you talk everyday.
On the minus side
you've been a little bitch about kissing her
you told her you're a little bitch
you tried to kiss her and got rejected
So... You're either in the friendzone because you didn't act in time, because you're not her sexual type ( and just wants to be friends ) or you made it weird and when you went for the kiss she got scared and pulled away.
This is what i'd do.
Go into the next date with 2 objectives clear in my mind, to have fun/flirt and to kiss her.
If she let's you kiss her you know what to do
If she doesn't, you need to make a choice if you want her as a friend ( but it will suck balls ) or just start giving the relationship some room. Stop texting everyday, stop setting up dates and focus on yourself and other women. Girls respond different to this, some chase you because they realize your worth, some let you go.
That was literally my plan today and it didn't work.
I don't really text her anymore, this past month she has been the one initiating. But yeah she already said that there will be a next date so I'll try again.
[–]MrWolffman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Okay now I'm just fucking confused.
She texted me and said she had a great time and asked for my number so she can mobilepay me?
[–]rhofire 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Did you pay for the last date you guys went on?
[–]MrWolffman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
This date I paid for the badminton court, but we're talking like 5 euros lol.
I don't pay dinners or such for girls that I'm not in a relationship with.
[–]rhofire 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
It's possible she wants to send you some money so that it's clear she doesn't owe you anything. Girls sometimes to that because they know many men expect something after they take them out.
but we're talking like 5 euros lol
It doesn't matter what the amount was. You still paid after four months of not making a move.
[–]MrWolffman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
That would make sense but she literally asked me out in her words "on our next date" after I gave that number.
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
She's not interested in you. You're falling for her antics so she's enjoying the attention. You keep making up stories to convince yourself you have a chance with her.
She doesn't want you.
[–]MrWolffman 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Maybe, I'm not disagreeing with you here. I'm just wondering why shes asking me out on a date.
[–]rhofire 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
I'm just wondering why shes asking me out on a date.
Probably the guy she is sleeping with is not giving her as much attention as she wants. But, you're always there when she needs an ego boost.
[–]MrWolffman 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Thats harsh but ye possibly.
I'll go on that last date and drop it if nothing happens.
[–]rhofire 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why can't you be upfront about what you want before you go on the date? Call her and talk to her. You'll save yourself wasted time.
Better still, ignore her till she gets in touch. Then, when she does, tell her to call you. Don't agree to texting, let her call.
When she calls, tell her what you want.
Your only hope is to have the balls to be upfront with her. She may still say "No." but you'll respect yourself for not acting like a pussy anymore.
[–]MrWolffman1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What would you tell her?
[–]rhofire2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You are not me.
I don't know what you want, only you know that. If you're not sure, that's part of the reason why you're in this situation. So, take another step back.
Go somewhere quiet, turn off your phone for at least thirty minutes. Be completely honest with yourself about what you're looking for with this girl, or any other girl for that matter. Write it down.
That's what you'll tell her. If she's not down with it, go and look for another girl who is.
Alright man, thank you. Not gonna lie hearing this didn't feel good. But I'm sick and tired of being bad with women. I'll do whatever it takes.
[–]Flashy_Bullfrog_74821 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't agree with everyting you mentioned on the other comments on this tread but I find this part really valuable. Thanks!
[–]Exmerus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she may like you and is just playing games. Some girls play hard to kiss, I've been rejected for a kiss even if the girl clearly likes me. If she is asking you out again, go for it.
[–]BlackSaiyan24 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro she’s just trying to confuse and have you falling for her little tricks. Don’t pull into it. Back away from her Upplay, and don’t mention what she did on the next date if she brings it up.
[–]chad2192 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's not interested and sees you as a friend. Sorry buddy
[–]MeteoraRed 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's alright, you shouldn't have mentioned about guts thing that reduces your status as a confident guy, hence chances are that she will value less, although its fine still you have time, create scarcity next time, let her text you 1st then you reply with a delay that further date will be delayed because you're having a busy week, (it's hard to game of self-control I know but worth, as it keeps her waiting) and yes fo try to read good books on dating, ping me for good ones.
[–]MrWolffman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Tips on books would be appreciated
[–]MeteoraRed 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well here they are : 1)Models by Mark Manson
2)Dating Essentials for Men by Dr. Robert Grover.
3)The Tactical Guide to Women by Dr Shawn T. Smith
4)The Game by Neil Strauss.
Thanks!
[–]mattgk39 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You’ve been on three dates before this and talk almost daily for 3-4 months and you haven’t even kissed her yet. There’s your mistake. Always go for the kiss on the first date unless you’re just not feeling it and don’t want to see her or it’s obvious she doesn’t want to see you again. Also how old are you?
Yeah I admit I fucked this one up. I'm 25.
[–]Humble-Language1269 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You need to relax, keep it to drinks when you are first dating. If she shows up she's attracted to you. Don't act nervous or scared, she's there because she likes you. Once she starts touching you, make the move. No speeches. Text for setting up the date, no texting to flirt. Texts should be used to coordinate the date, that's it
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
> What did I do wrong here?
Someone else's reaction(s) to you rarely have anything to do with you.
She's clearly not fully interested but likes the attention and validation.
[–]MrWolffman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
I have failed with like 20 women in the past two years. It's obvious my game/social skills suck ass. I want to finally drop my ego and fix this shit.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You didn't do anything wrong. It is a sign of incompatibility.
The only thing you could do wrong is put any more effort into an unfulfilling psuedorelationship
[–]MrWolffman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I wish I could believe you but I can't. There is no way anyone is this unlucky.
[–]Iamallthereis 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Drop the poor me self defeating attitude it feels like the right thing to do when you’re having trouble but literally feeling sorry for yourself or looking for comfort or consoling from others 1. Won’t happen the way you want 2. This attitude will have the opposite effect of what you want in relation to pursuing women. You will figure out how to bag women but don’t get beat up cause you don’t bag all of them or are struggling right now just keep moving forward.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not a superstitious person, so I truly believe it has nothing to do with "luck" and everything to do with being incompatible with what seems to be a wishy washy person
[–]LilSkills 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's just not that into you. Move on
[–]Everlast23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think that if a kiss doesn't happen by the 2nd date, your footing is now already messed up.
[–]Iamallthereis 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also 3 dates max if you don’t score by the third date drop them. Save your time and resources. Think of it like this while you’re on your fourth date she’s going home with someone on the first.
[–]wolvtongue 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Move on kid.
[–]bobsbitchtitz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's not a formula, it's not a failure. A woman is allowed to not be interested in you. The game is all about upping your chances but meeting and dating as many women as possible. There could be a billion reasons she didn't want to kiss you, no point in trying to figure out why.
Absolutely, but if it happens every time there is an issue.
[–]bobsbitchtitz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Every-time usually means you're being to passive during the date and not being touchy feely/ vulnerable enough
Probably
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