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Thabackendchild · 2022-04-28T21:18:36+00:00

You can get the same results without complementing

nevertextgoodnight · 2022-04-28T21:32:23+00:00

That is not a low response rate

Also "saying hi is the success" so you had 50 success

There's no way to change someone's mind if they're not into you so thinking not getting the number is a failure is a bit contaminated

You'll only get better and your exchange rate will fluctuate constantly

Some days you'll get 7 #s, other days 1 or 0 if you only do 10-20 approaches

Anyway keep going

alextheanimall · 2022-04-28T20:52:15+00:00

Double compliment may decrease your success

2022-04-28T21:53:20+00:00

3/50 is probably very solid all things considered. I have never cold approached but I would like to try today.

I expect to ask like 5 today and I expect it to be polite nos, but im still excited!

Exmerus · 2022-04-28T21:43:21+00:00

Try indirect approach without complimenting. It works for me. I don't usually daygame a lot, but when I've tried I've had success being indirect. For example, asking for bus routes, actually approaching inside a bus. I do a short genuine routine and end up asking for the number number/instagram after building rapport for a while.

I follow the rule of "never verbally let the woman know you are interested in her before you can feel that she is interested in you". They can imagine what you want, of course, but keeping the mystery in the air is better imo. If you tell a stranger that you find them attractive, most of them won't take it well and will activate their shields. 44 rejections out of 50 confirm that to you.

Impressive_Sport_713 · 2022-04-28T21:56:07+00:00

And like ive said before in my comments numerous times. Beginners will get about 15 numbers per 100 approaches. About 7 numbers per 50 with a 50% response rate

And out of even 15 numbers youre still not guaranteed a date. Dont be at all surprised if you need +100 approaches till date. Although its not rare -It is uncommon & it does happen...

We can even break it down logically. If you were to approach 50 more. More than likely youd get about 6 more numbers. From those youre left with 3 REAL numbers again... could it be possible that you may not get a date from that? Absolutely, youre then at +100 approaches dateless!!

Veteran cold approacher here

Youre stats are whats expected. Keep going. You aint doing anything wrong

CompetitionFair7686 · 2022-04-29T00:14:07+00:00

Here is my analysis:

Me: Hey I have to say really like your ______ ( part of outfit)

Them: Thanks

Me: What's your name? Im _______ You should start saying why you are talking with them first as most girls will be wondering just that and will feel uncomfortable if you start asking questions, without establishing why you are talking to them.)

Them: Hi Im ______

Me: (Try to find common ground) Did you go to ______ HS? or have you tried _______ restaurant? Dont make close ended questions, make open ended questions, and try to use more statements than questions… 70% of your conversations should be statements, 39% can be questions

Them: blah blah

Me: Well I find you cute, attractive etc... Can I get your number?

Not enough investment to ask so early for the number, there is no connection at all at this point, and there is no attraction built… The girl will most likely feel like you are doing this with many other girls, and that you are not genuinely interested in them. So you need at least 5-10 mins of conversation to make a more solid interaction that leads to more success

Them: No, I have a bf, no not interested, walks away(silent), yes here's my number.

Also, you didn’t build any sexual tension at all, which is essential to make her desire you and want to talk to you, the conversation was too safe and platonic, and kinda boring, you didn’t make the girl feel anything at all.

bigmanpav · 2022-04-28T23:40:08+00:00

I think you should try again with black Woman. You’ll probably have more success.

Beginning-Ad-8041 · 2022-04-29T01:26:52+00:00

The problem with these approaches is that you are not actually having a conversation with them, they might in that moment feel very validated and give out a number, but unless you have a good conversation they will not really remember you for anything but that and not feel comfortable meeting with a stranger, expect a to have a conversation that favors for 3-10 mins in daygame before closing

Also just stick with one opener, I recommend just doing the direct opener, not an indirect into a direct as it is too supplicating to do both

Indirect direct is super strong, but you gotta be good at showing intent off before relying on them

jaafarbht · 2022-04-29T13:36:43+00:00

Daygame itself is beneficial because you build confidence, you overcome social conditioning and you improve your communication. But stopping girls in the streets is only one form of daygame.

When you get your social calibration down, you can start indoor daygame. Daygame in bookstores, clothing stores, coffee shops... In my opinion they are easier because you have instantly more topics to go with. (consider reading Day Bang by Daryush Valizadeh).

EstablishmentLimp477 · 2022-04-28T22:33:23+00:00

Yeah bro it's tough being a minority out here. My advice don't take most advice on r/seduction to seriously bunch of white dudes who don't know the harder realties we face in life. Also try moving to a place with more black population if possible. In rich suburban white area's it's on ultra hard mode unless you got clout or 10/10 looks even then most 7+ won't give you the time of day. Not saying this to discourage you with those stats you can 100% find success but you got play harder and be smarter to get those results. Good luck keep it up.

EstablishmentLimp477 · 2022-04-29T01:55:19+00:00

You would have way more success approaching black women

5_7pickup · 2022-04-28T20:59:53+00:00

First of all, good job on taking action and approaching. Thats more than probably 95% of guys.

Day game can be effective. Youre just not doing it right. Your goal shouldnt be to get numbers, it should be an instadate as in you ask her “hey what are you up to right now? Wanna grab jamba juice?”.

If you cant get the instadate then you shoot for numbers.

Your success is low because youre in set for like 2 minutes it sounds like. You want to stay in set as long as possible. You know whats the best way to get a girl to text you back? By spending as much time with her as possible.

Improve your game and youll see more results.

Zealousideal6669 · 2022-04-28T21:54:14+00:00

As a kinda intermediate whos fine with a cold approach, I mean girl giggling, attracted, gives solid, not flaky numbers so some things that I usually do.

Being cocky - okay I'm average looking like a 7-8 but if I'm walking on the street and girls see me in my mind every girl wanna fuck me.

Confident body language- seems to be obvious but makes a huge difference. Smiling, constantly looking at her eyes makes a huge difference.

Statements instead of questions - okay often times I do ask questions but the real goal is to make her wanna get to know you so if its a longer interaction like over 10min I directly live silence and I'm praying that pls ask me something, usually it happens if you did your job well

Stay in a set. What are the main goals? get solid numbers so the more she sees your personality the more likely that shes gonna like you.

Self amusing - if you're using a high-value frame gives you the freedom to talk about whatever you want, okay you have to be specific enough but if she doesn't give a fuck about you but you keep talking the might start to engage after you said something relevant to her

Self amusing - if you're using high-value frame gives you freedom to talk about whatever you want, okay you have to be specific enough but if she doesn't gives a fuck about you but you keep talking the might start to engage after you said something relevant to her.

Using FRED or FAME

DVH so you convey specific attraction switches like comptenence. What you're good at.

Social proof so other people or other girls like you.

Aliveness so you're haveing fun and so forth.

Aliveness so you're having fun and so forth.that complicated to get solid numbers. Okay, I've been studying games for years before I got into the field but still works every time so just to summarize a bit. Use FRED or FAME, confident body language, and DVH if you got all these right I'd be surprised if you still have problems with cold approach

Glacier_Sama · 2022-04-29T02:01:54+00:00

Ngl this is pretty bad. Regardless of what anyone says, attraction is hormonal. Increase your testosterone, lower estrogen and stop jerking it for at least a week before you could approach. You'll have chicks cold approaching you for instant sex

2022-04-28T21:47:49+00:00

Try being more flirty and not having too much of an interview. Open and then try to say as much as you can about why they are unique, then for each question you get you to want to tease and be bold.

Also, it's massively a numbers game. The general idea is that the best day gamers do 30 approaches a week, leading to one date a week.

JellyBubber · 2022-04-29T02:49:05+00:00

Respect on the effort OP. But the 3/50 girls who just say yes to a stranger approaching them and almost immediately asking for their number, Is that the quality of girl you’d like to be with?

HowToStud · 2022-04-29T05:26:54+00:00

Congrats on the approaches man. Do you consider yourself smooth or your interactions smooth?

sMarvOnReddit · 2022-04-29T06:52:54+00:00

how is asking for her name before saying your own good strategy?

2022-04-29T10:36:53+00:00

Oof. It's still a numbers game. Welp! I guess I will die alone. OP, if you do more approaches, we'd love to know how they go. If the success rate is better, what you changed up.

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BarVegetable1512 · 2022-04-29T21:26:46+00:00

OP your success rate is very much expected and although you probably have things you can optimize this low % is not indicative of you doing anything poorly.

The thing is when you approach girls on the street or in the mall you are approaching every women you like. Statistically speaking the majority of women are not available at the time you approach them. Either they have a boyfriend, not looking to date, not in a good mood, in a rush doing something etc. Most of the time the reason you're "rejected" as in no number or number flakes later has nothing to do with you. 10% of interactions ending in solid numbers would be incredible. 1-2% is probably ok. As someone said above 100 approaches leading to 1 date is a reasonable expectation. A guy who looks and talks like Brad Pitt might get 5 dates from 100 approaches. Might...

Night game is much better % wise. Why? Because most girls who are the club are single, many went out to meet guys in the first place etc. so in a sense you've already preselected for single fun girls. Of course there are also downsides with night game but I've said enough about that I think.

Anyways it's a numbers game. Upping your percentages is less important than taking more shots. In fact a lot of high level guys have so many leads that they screen very strongly for example only do dates in their house etc. and even though most girls don't show up in their house vs if they suggested a coffee shop date, they still get laid a ton.

Zzyuzzyu · 2022-04-30T00:21:02+00:00

What if instead you went out , say to a beach , and you talked to one girl for like an hour or two . That’s literally a date you got it right there .

The other day that’s what I did. I spent the whole day talking to just one woman.

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2022-04-30T23:17:07+00:00

Cold approaches don't work unless you talk with women ( tourists) in tourist places.

remote-n · 2022-05-05T09:13:30+00:00

What the hell dude, you only did 50 approaches with extremely basic "verbals" over and over again and concluded that "cold approach is not an effective strategy for dating". There's a lot to improve, just like people practice the piano for a while before they're playing anything significant.

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