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[–]Ninjarro 70 points71 points72 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Can you give us some context examples of agreeing and exaggerating during shit tests?
[–]pre_internet 202 points203 points204 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Yes sir.
She says: you’re a player.
You reply: if dating 17 girls at once is being a player then I guess you’re right.
She says: I’m not sleeping with you tonight
You reply: who says anything about sleeping?
She says: you’re not my type.
You reply: I’m not my type either, I like short guys.
Anytime she challenges you, you just agree and exaggerate.
[–]BonvivantNamedDom 105 points106 points107 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You have the most original response to "youre not my type". That got a smile out of me, and I exhaled through my nose a slightly bit faster than usual.
[–]pre_internet 32 points33 points34 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I mad about being present, but a couple canned lines for the shit tests spoken slowly and deeply with no hesitation, followed by a smirk. God damn.
[–]dextercool 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Man, you need to spill more contents of your journal - I sense a rich seam of material and mindsets.
[–]pre_internet 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks dude, I’ve been fucking with the community for years, but this is the first post I’ve ever made.
[–]BonvivantNamedDom 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Canned liners always are good for when you cant think of anything.
[–]eckzotic 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"who says anything about sleeping? "
Yo that's good
[–]canarywocoalmine 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love the "who said anything about sleeping"!
[–]floppyjabjab 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Im not sleeping with you tonight! you're already thinking about sex, Im not that easy woman. works like a charm, also if she says this is the biggest sign of her actually thinking about it which is a good sign of a sexual build up in her mind
[–]bluedholia 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She: you must think you’re really witty huh?
You: ?
[–]refractionobsession 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How do you do this in real time tho? Do you come up with them on the spot? Do you prepare at home? Or do you come up with them later sorta like George Constanza?
[–]pre_internet 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do all fucking three to be honest, and after doing it for awhile you’ll find that some of it just naturally sticks with you. Like muscle memory from repetition, or the knowledge etched in your skull from the test you studied for.
[–]izactuallydolan 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
It's one of the most important skills in male trash talking as well. The troll or bully is trying to get under your skin. So you agree and amplify to prove you don't care.
"You're gay." "You wish, dude, you're not nearly hot enough for me, but your dad might be!"
"You're really short." "Man, I was so bummed I didn't get the part of Tyrion Lannister! Guess I shouldn't be wearing these platform shoes everywhere!"
[–]zalqa 7 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Mine would probably go more like...
"You're gay." "Ya? You wanna suck my dick faggot?"
"You're short" "I could still kick your ass"
Hopefully he responds with, "I'll beat your ass right now" and my go to is "What? You wanna eat my ass? Faggot"
PSA probably don't use this unless you want to escalate into a fist fight. I love fist fighting.
[–]ThetamingoftheMew 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They allow fist fighting in Kindergarten?
[–]Knight_Radiant 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
R/iamverybadass
[–]DownvotesOnlyDamnIt 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I also like to hit them with that "mommy gave me tendies"
[–]thavy 53 points54 points55 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When you compliment her and she tells you « I bet you say that to every girl », you can reply with stuff like « Oh yeah, I’ve already said that to girls dozens of times today ».
Of course this is a rough example and the context matters, but the general idea is to turn her shit test into a joking matter.
[–]gurb-it 30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
can you further explain “change her mood not her mind”? how so
[–]GrinAndBareItAll 94 points95 points96 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Maya Angelou once said “people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.” That’s how I interpreted it. Be unforgettable.
[–]gurb-it 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
thats awesome!
[–]Thunderfin 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Tease her, make her laugh and think you're the most fun human on the planet. That's basically it.
[–]gurb-it 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
im bad at teasing/negging. i have a dark sense of humour so it generally goes a bit too over the top with most women. along with my monotone voice, so it’s hard for me to express sarcasm.
even my close friends cant tell when im being earnest or sarcastic. like im really stuck in a life of post-irony
[–]badthony 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're bad at something, practice and work at it. Throwing us the I'm bad at is line does nothing positive really. If your humor is too dark, then change it up a bit.
[–]pre_internet 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The long and short of it is men are rational and women are emotional so logic doesn’t work. At the end of it all women deeply care and are connected to how you make them feel. So make them feel. Trigger their emotions. Get good at it. Play it like the most fascinating instrument you’ve ever discovered.
[–]gurb-it 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i have a monotone voice, so how does one work in inciting emotions and reactions within women?
[–]pre_internet 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If your able to speak then you have an instrument, a beautiful musical instrument.
Now me homie, I can’t sing to save my life. Singing in front of people is probably my greatest fear.
However, you need to finesse that tool in your throat. Practice homie. Talk to yourself in the mirror. Slow your shit down. Talk slower. Speak deeper. Just try it. It’s kinda mad sexy when you pull that shit every once in a while.
Also it’s fun to talk fast, get excited, be excited about what your passionate about. Use your arms and hands. Make that shit dance to the song your talking about. Also throw in a bunch of adjectives that complement and romance your story.
If you’re still not able to do it on your own take a couple vocal lessons. Tell your instructor your intentions and what you really want to achieve. A mans voice, tone,tambour, and pace can be hypnotizing to a woman.
[–]greenlittleman 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Monotonous voice is something you could change. You could temporarily change it just by trying and some exercises you could find online easily. It is as simple as set your tonality between how you sing and how you usually talk.
[–]dharmaville 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
As a woman, how do we change your moods?
[–]pre_internet 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can only speak on my own behalf and from my own personal experience.
When I feel the most affected by a woman is when they are truly, deeply, and freely feeling some type of way about something without a god damn care in their mind about what anyone else thinks.
When she’s madly happy and there’s not a god damn thing that can be done about it I feel overcome with joy.
When she’s gonna fuck me like it’s her last day on earth and there’s not a god damn thing that’s gonna stop her from doing it I can’t help but feel like my blood is on fire.
When she gets carried away about anything she carries my heart with her.
[–]abstractpickupartist3 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
"Men are rational"
Bullshit. We're just as emotionally driven, just with different drivers.
But you are right about women.
[–]mikew_reddit 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Change her mood, not her mind.
This one is probably my favorite
[–]kyjlm2 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link
Kino?
[–][deleted] 151 points152 points153 points 7 years ago* (41 children) | Copy Link
Kino is what separates people who fuck from those that don't. It's a unbroken curve of physical escalations up to sex and beyond well into BDSM territory, beyond into cult leader territory. It's a measure of physical comfort with another person.
Every physical relationship follows this curve, very few people have it formalized with a knowledge of how the curve works to progress a relationship.
Practice with kino is the bedrock of seduction knowledge, the trust needed to engage in sex. It's almost entirely nonverbal knowledge.
Here are some points on the curve. Each has "She is comfortable with... " implied. The order can vary, but this is decent example:
Anyway, going from one to another is escalation, the goal is to make all escalations smooth, never using more trust then you have for an escalation. If a given escalation works it's called compliance. If it fails, you back off, moving back 2 places. Compliance is the truest indicator of interest.
A tremendous mistake creeps make is trying for something like (14. Small Kiss) without having done 7-14. Skipping steps is ... very bad. Escalations should follow the curve continuously without skipping. Someone good at seduction can move through this list, very, very fast.
Done well it's imperceptible and extraordinary effective, since you aren't doing stuff she doesn't expect or desire. The entire point is doing things she wants, not being a creep.
Kino is the reason people can meet and have sex without speaking each others languages, body language is universal.
[–]sylvesterthecat11 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And, like you said, the best is when you suddenly realize you are in bed with someone you weren’t that close with five hours ago and wonder “How did I get here?”
[–]Constable_Bartholin 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
🎶 Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down 🎶
[–]A_Suffering_Panda 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And you may ask yourself "Where is that beautiful house? And my beautiful wife?"
[–]oyoungpadawan 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Awesome list but the order may vary, it's not strict.
Some girls will only kiss at step 19 for example... and some only want to be touched after or during kissing.
Seen some weird ones.
[–]tehgreatist 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok I have to say you are following this waaaaaaaaaaaay too rigidly. I have dated (successfully) for years and never knew about kino. That doesn’t mean I’m oblivious to personal boundaries and how awkward it can be to talk to strangers. It is a good idea to know the flow of things and I think that list was well thought out, but to tell someone they should never skip a step is just plain bad advice. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in between.
[–]Photoguy5588 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
How do you actually DO these though? Like, I have trouble just going up to a girl and talking, let alone touching her. How do you just randomly touch a girl without her being like “ew wtf are you doing touching me? I don’t even know you”
I’m so inexperienced with women and flirting, I have no idea how I made it to my age without learning all this stuff (oh wait, yes I do, I was addicted to porn my entire twenties). What does casually touching a girl even look like? Do you stop talking to touch her? Do you touch her the entire time you’re talking? I’m tired of never having sex and I want to learn all this stuff but I just don’t understand how to do it without a woman pulling some #MeToo shit.
(I’ve had sex but it’s been years and every time I did I never did any of the initiating and there was never any kino)
[–]HillarysPornAccount 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A real basic one to start with is a very light touch on the forearm like “OH I just thought of ...” during a conversation, like something your grandma would do.
When standing next to her, point at something across the room, then other hand lightly on her shoulder.
One of my favorites is if you’re switching bars/location when hanging out, extend out your elbow from your side and let her hook on to your arm and walk together. If you’re feeling confident later on the walk you can drop the hooked arms to hold hands instead.
Those are some easy basics that will help you progress a little further on the kino scale.
[–]Photoguy5588 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cool, thank you
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link
The curve starts before touching, it's her being comfortable with you nearby. You can do that by building up some solid canned material, like jokes, anecdotes, games and activities.
People watching at the mall is a good activity that leads into jokes and anecdotes. Activity dates lead well into being in her space, like a trampoline park, rock climbing, a nature walk, or a day at the beach.
The goal of any activity is to slip into the mindset of "Hey, this is a fun happening guy, I wonder what else he has planned", ... what isn't cool is a coffee shop date that turns into an interview.
So, if you are in her physical space, you can begin basic non-sexual physical escalations. Absolutely, positively, do not follow the advice from the_donald and start with a touch to the forearm (11.5 on this curve, not a standard contact surface between guys and girls unless in a relationship). Absolutely, do not start with hands on shoulders (13.5 on this curve, she cannot see you, treats her as an object). All first touches must be non-sexual, pretty much the only place this occurs between a man and women the same age is hand-to-hand.
Work on hand-to-hand touches, a classic is rock-paper-scissors (modify the game to touch her hands after a round in a casual way), another classic is thumb war, another classic is palmistry (I tend to go "It's all bullshit anyway, I was curious if you were into it). Make shit up, be entertaining. Get a manicure, and have her look at it. "Did the person do a good job?".
You are looking to see if she recoils. If she recoils away the body language is bad and you need more trust and value to touch again. Normal non-sexual touch is easy with enough value and trust.
A little further on the curve and you can start in on uninvited light non-hand touches, but they should be done sparingly. The elbow or wrist is a good second spot that isn't hand, since it doesn't have much value. You can touch it to get her attention if she turn away for example.
Around this spot you could transition into holding hands, typically the easiest way to do this is running, towards something like an amusement park ride.
[–]Photoguy5588 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Wait what? How am I supposed to play Rock Paper Scissors or thumb war with a girl I just met? That’s awkward as fuck and makes no sense.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link
You don't start at step 8. You start at step 1.
At some point, you need to make physical contact. The safest place is hand to hand. The safest way is within the context of a game. The most trusted path is via consent.
Previous step was "Be within her bubble", step before that was "Whispering". If you don't have those, you probably shouldn't be doing touches.
You're in the park, people watching, you are both facing get forward, not touching, close enough to hear each other. (Already in the bubble, distances are shorter when people aren't facing each other) You see a park bench and decide you want to escalate the encounter.
You learn over, whispering [you are ashamed, shared secret] (next escalation) "Would you like to play a game? It's a bit childish."
... "Depends what it is" [shared secret, curiosity] (successful compliance check, whispering unlocked)
"Rock paper scissors. Do you know the rules" [fun activity, not asking telling]
"Yeah" (successful compliance check, begin the game).
... I've done this a few times, I've never seen a girl say no, because I had already done whispering and being inside her bubble. With some practice you get really fast at moving through the escalations.
[–]Photoguy5588 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I just don’t get how I can go up to a girl I find attractive at lets say, the mall, introduce myself and start touching her and basically convince her to go do something with me away from whatever she was doing.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Each spot on the curve has it's own rules. You are talking about getting someone comfortable talking to you, which is 100% necessary before they are comfortable being touched, but before that, they need to be comfortable with you interrupting them, which is before they even talk to you.
You need solid canned material, this is where things like Magic crop up. The old way used to be walking up to people going, "Do you want to see a magic trick?"
Later this evolved into polls, "Can I ask you a quick question?" I'm not sure what the state-of-the-art is for street pickup. A lot of PUAs ruined this, so in a big area you'll need much stronger canned material to approach random people. Basically anything in a well known book is off-limits.
I've never liked street pickup, mostly because I want more than sex, and I prefer online methods to meet people. Tinder is gigantic.
[–]Photoguy5588 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Okay so I get why you’re saying what you’ve been saying now, because you’ve already talked to these girls online and actually arranged dates. I’ve tried online dating and I can’t even get to a date without being ghosted, women have way too many options and take forever to respond because of this. I hired a dating coach earlier this year and he basically told me to try Day game and just approach women wherever. The only place I’ve tried is at the mall but it was never met with much success because the few women I did approach they just seemed shocked and confused and didn’t seem interested in talking so I always just ejected after asking questions for a couple of minutes because of this seeming disinterest. I’ve stopped working with him because I don’t agree with some of his beliefs and morals, for instance he says you can’t be truly happy and content without sex and a woman in your life. Which basically made me even more depressed for being 30 years old and still not knowing what the fuck I’m doing when it comes to picking up women. I’m just really frustrated that I don’t understand all this and I hear mixed advice everywhere I look.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The advice isn't mixed. You aren't trying to get with every woman just one at a time. His methods worked for him, mine worked for me.
Mostly it's a numbers game with lots of rejection. I read everything I could. If you want it, if you work at it, you will get good, it's an ordinary skill.
Find another coach.
[–]lazy784 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Speaking from a biological standpoint, you can't be happy without a woman and sex. It's ingrained in us. Don't fight it.
Also, cold approach rarely ever works. The idea of cold approaching isn't to meet a girl and have sex with her. It's to get you used to speaking to women and be at ease with yourself. Use cold approach as a way to get to know more people, not get laid.
There's a lot of stuff that you haven't learned because of lack of practice that you need to learn now. There are no steps to finding a girl and having sex with her. You need to solve a bunch of pieces of a puzzle to get to a level where you can talk to a girl and not feel like you're a creepo and escalate.
Also you said "women have way too many options". But this is also true for us. Have you ever run out of girl to swipe on tinder? What about in a mall, was there ever a point where you had talked to every single girl in the mall and there were none left to talk to?
No.
Like women, we also have an abundance of women to talk to. Don't put yourself in this tiny box with all these restrictions.
Lastly, Tinder is different from most platforms. On tinder, if your pics aren't good, it doesn't matter. You could be messi or ronaldo but if you have low quality pics or just selfies and stuff, it won't matter. Girls look at our pics and decide whether or not we're attractive, and if you post a pic where you don't look good, they won't think you look good either.
My best advice for tinder would be for you to look at this website: playingfire.com
As for the kino stuff, you need to keep approaching. But don't think of it as a "If i talk to her, I'll get laid". Talk to her to get to know her.
Have you worked on yourself? Are you where you want to be in life? Are you living your life to the fullest? If you're not, it'll be obvious and who wants to fuck or date a guy that doesn't know how to really live?
I'll leave you with this. At the end of the day, to meet and fuck women, you need confidence and strength. This is a bit harsh, but if you're saying "depressed for being 30 years old...", then you dont have those traits. Work on yourself.
You need to be established and comfortable with yourself. A lot of this stuff is about going and doing. Not sitting around and asking. Don't like the advice? Go out and just talk to women and figure out what you're doing right and what you're doing wrong. Complaining about it will just leave you sexless forever.
[–]Advanced-2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
....What?
If your not happy without a women and sex than you've already failed. You need to be happy without the women and without the sex before your going to do well at getting any at any consistent basis. What kind of backwards ass line is that?
The easiest time I ever had at getting any is when I cared the least for getting any because I was so happy with where I was without a women anywhere near my life.
Its not ingrained in us in the way seduction looks at sex, that's a social thing were tought mostly. Its ingrained in us only to make "children" and not for the pleasure seeking/attention/validation seeking ways most people see it now.
You can 100% go without women and sex and be happier than most people chasing it and getting it. Sex is at the end of the day is pointless as doing literally anything else if your going at it just for fun, dont fool yourself into thinking your fulfilling some magical desire.
There's a lot of things that are "Biologically" ingrained in us that we dont do any longer when living in society and we are all perfectly happy and better off not doing them. That doesnt mean shit.
[–]greenlittleman1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Em, no. In humans sex exist not to make children. It exist to make human male to not run away from human female after the kid is born and to force him to stay away with them and take care of them. This is why sex is so pleasant to us and we are ready to do it everyday (I'm talking about guys with healthy libido). This is one of the couple bounding mechanisms in homo-sapiens. But I agree about being fine without women. If talking just about sex then in modern society you could be sexually satisfied without women - there are porn, fleshlights, japanese relationship simulators aka visual novels and date-sims and so on. Also - happiness is temporarily state, what we need is to be satisfied with our life and having a sense of fulfillment. And satisfying biological desires is one part of it.
[–]Photoguy55881 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I say women have more options on Tinder because they get more matches. For every 100 matches they get, a guy can only get like a tenth of that.
I am working on myself, I’m trying to build a business so I can have the lifestyle I want, but I’ve already missed out on dating and sex in my twenties for the most part, I don’t know how long it will take to get what I want outside the women aspect. It could take years for me to finally get to where I want to be with the rest of my life, but I don’t want to be like 35 before I can finally start fucking. I NEED sex, it’s a human need for a healthy life. If say I’m 35 by the time I get everything worked out without dating or sex,I’m going to be too old to date all the hot young women I missed out on when I was younger. Plus, there are plenty of guys out there who don’t have nearly half the shit I do when it comes to having their lives together, and they get laid like crazy.
And the thing about cold approaching rarely working? According to the results of my dating coach, he can fuck a woman within hours of meeting her and he looks like a fucking twig with a receding hairline.
[–]lazy7842 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Ok, so you misunderstood something important. I'm not saying you need to have accomplished your goals. I'm saying you need to be working towards them. As long as you have ambition, you're good.
Don't get hung up on who has more options. You're talking to a girl at the mall and it's not going well? It's ok, cause you know there's 5 more girls in the same building that you could talk to. That's called abundance mentality.
I can tell by the way you talk about options and stuff that you probably get really needy when you talk to a girl. That turns a girl off. Its kinda backwards, but she needs to know that if she says no to you, you won't get depressed, but that you'll keep going and find someone else. Light and breezy my dude.
At your level? Yea, it rarely works. Getting better at it increases your win/lose ratio. Like I said, for you, it will help you to get better at talking to women because i bet that's your biggest problem. You probably look at a women and think you wanna fuck her. Which is fine, but to actually get her to fuck you, you need to look at a girl and think "we could have fun together".
Women will fuck you if they think they can have fun with you. It attracts them. So be fun, and have fun.
[–]Photoguy55882 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Thank you, that was some helpful advice. I feel like I definitely come off needy because it’s been so long since I’ve gotten laid, and I can probably count the number of times in the past 8 years on one hand. I can literally feel it damaging my mental health.
Honestly, get an escort. A lot of guys will give me shit over it, but if its all you can ever think about, go spend an hour with someone that knows what they are doing and just get laid. If that's not your thing, it's ok. Path is gonna be harder, but that's also fun heh.
Yeah, I feel like I may just have to, masturbating just isn’t cutting it anymore and I need it bad.
[–][deleted]1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Don't. I investigated this route, it leads to the dark side.
I have paid for sex, it isn't great.
Instead of learning the skills for how to relate, how to have a relationship, you've turned it into a paid interaction.
Which is great, except when you want something like a marriage partner. You can't sustainability pay someone $100 an hour, for 24 hours, for the next 20 years.
You'd be better served learning how to have one night stands.
How so?
[–]Elgelgelg 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[shared secret, curiosity] (successful compliance check, whispering unlocked)
Its probably hard to ask this without sounding condescending, I'm not trying to be so please don't interpret it as such, but are you honestly running algorithms on your day to day interactions with people?
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[–]Elgelgelg 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I had a suspicion to be honest, its nothing to be ashamed of and I think its amazing you're even doing this. Did you know Tyler from RSD is on the spectrum as well?
What are your thoughts on more "natural" stuff, such as what is discussed in Mark Manson's book "Models", for someone struggling with interpreting social signals?
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[–]Elgelgelg2 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I think its one of the most grounded books out there when it comes to not only making you an attractive individual, but also just relating to people in general. His blog and other book is also great stuff.
[–]A_Suffering_Panda 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait why does the Donald even do daring advice? Why would anybody listen to them?
[–]ImJustSo 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're thinking too much about the entire interaction as that one part, breaking the touch barrier. It's an escalation through actions towards a woman that makes her comfortable, but it's also an escalation through actions that can make you comfortable with her, too.
Some women feel better to touch and escalate with because they are open, not tense, and even touch back often. Some women seem to want you to touch them, but they have difficulty opening up, so you may find it difficult to touch them. Some women might just touch you in ways that you're not comfortable with and you're so inexperienced that you can't recognize it.
The escalating ladder of touching can start with just a knee against hers while sitting together. When you like a woman, you want to touch them, right? You use that affection for her to move up the ladder and you keep doing smaller increasing things that build intimacy with a partner.
[–]Mountainminer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I struggled with this for a long time. What got me over it is when I u realized that women see touching differently than we do as men.
Men see touching a woman they are interested in on the forearm as "oh my God I touched this beautiful creature and it didn't run away!!! Somebody call somebody this is the Greatest day since the magna Carta was signed!!!! Light the beacons Gondor calls for aid!!"
Women see it as, "oh he touched my arm, and I can tell he's a real man. I kind of like him but not really. I don't know why, but he just feels right. His touch makes me feel safer. I think he might be a friend."
Body language is the universal language. Fucking love it.
[–]greenlittleman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Depending on circumstances and level of your game you could skip steps. For example in the club it could be normal to hug girl soon after opening her. And doing things to please the girl and only doing things you are sure she wants is mentality which could be good only for beginners. What I like more than escalation of kino is escalation of commands. You say the girl to do something and then she do. Eventually you could "command" her to hug you or even to kiss you and as long as you hold your frame she'll do that.
[–]WikiTextBot 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kinesthetic learning
Kinesthetic learning (American English), kinaesthetic learning (British English), or tactile learning is a learning style in which learning takes place by the students carrying out physical activities, rather than listening to a lecture or watching demonstrations. As cited by Favre (2009), Dunn and Dunn define kinesthetic learners as students who require whole-body movement to process new and difficult information.
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[–]Heavell85 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A book about kino to suggest ?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a huge fan of anything by Wayne Elise.
From a theory standpoint, I appreciate "The Mystery Method."
[–]abstractpickupartist1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sidebar this one. (with the clarifications added below).
[–]goranstoja 31 points32 points33 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its seduction method - when you hit a girl in the head with your head and tell her: Bitch give me your phone number.
[–]pre_internet 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah buddy. Kino is the shit. Study it. It’s basically the physical chess game of how to touch a woman. It starts with the back of the arm or elbow whenever you start joking. It’s the first safe place to touch. There’s an art to becoming physically intertwined with a women’s body. It’s a slow burn. It builds comfort. It builds attraction. It fucking rules.
[–]Archangel_White_Rose -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sure, you do that. I go right for the makeout.
[–]pre_internet 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well you must be one charming motherfucker, like ten times more charming than that Arnold on Green Acres. Hahahaha
[–]IAMTHESmoothOperator 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude you need to write more posts, this is very good for inner game.
If possible could you write one about conversation filler/emotional spiking. What questions do you ask? Do you do it based on the situation? Do you use canned lines?
Also, I would like to PM you and seek your advice to improve my dating life now - because its really crap. I'd honestly really appreciate it.
[–]Archangel_White_Rose 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you 😁
[–]Hot_Beef_Injection 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, just look good and be awesome and the whole night is basically her wondering when you decide you feel like kissing her so she can let you
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[–]TheThing34513 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
These are basics, look at the sidebar my dude
[–]PM_Me_OK 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its agree and amplify.
[–]Photoguy5588 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And what if she’s with her friends? How do I get her away from her friends? What if she didn’t drive? Do I talk to just her or all of them? I’m absolutely clueless about how to properly seduce a woman from the very start of meeting her wherever, to getting her to want to sleep with me, I have no idea what it’s supposed to look like
[–]lazy784 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thinking too much. Start at step 1.
[–]pre_internet 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s a lot of situational questions my friend. This post was all about frame. Feel free to pm me with questions and I’ll do my best.
[–]Thunderfin 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's that simple. I'd add in eye contact, too. Absolutely huge.
However I still go back often and meditate on these simple steps that made me feel alive for my life.
I know this probably wasn't your intention, but make sure you're not living for women. Live for yourself, and let women join you on your journey.
Yes fucking sir. I added it to the post. Thank you.
[–]Blckclaw 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But what if something isnt really fun
Then change locations, but also stop relying on the external atmosphere. You be fun, happy, exciting no matter what happens.
[–]LeeJackman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Talk about abundance?
[–]Skuggasveinn 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is an abundance of beautiful women in the world. Therefore, there is no reason to sweat if one goes away. You have an abundance of options which gives you swag. Girls pick up on the swag.
[–]pre_internet 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Abundance mentality is based on the principle that women are repelled by neediness, and unfortunately it fucking true.
Having an abundance mentality means truly knowing that you will always have options available to you in your life because you know your fucking awesome.
I’m madly in love with someone right now. However, I know that if we should ever part for what ever reason I will be ok. I’ll be hurt as fuck for a while, but if I ever want to fall in love again I know I’ll meet, charm, seduce, and fuck like it’s my last day on earth someone else.
I think like this because it makes me feel whole and complete and connected. Simply put it’s a can do attitude. Your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life.
[–]Jaded_and_Faded 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tru
[–]lazy784 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very inspirational. Completely agree even if im not at that level yet.
[–]pre_internet 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too sometimes dude, that’s why I keep this list on my phone and look at it whenever I’m lacking.
[–]thawfrosee 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it's straight up manipulation, but I do enjoy it because you're not harming anyone.
Everyone manipulates everything all the time. I manipulate my fork when I’m eating so it goes into my mouth and not my fucking eye. Hahahha.
[–]Try2bBetter 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Can you elaborate assume attraction please
[–]pre_internet 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You just assume she’s fucking into you. She wants you to be the guy she wants. She’s rooting for you.
Having this mindset puts you in the right headspace to be that best version of yourself. It takes the edge off. It eliminates doubt. I might have already said this in here but I truly believe that your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life.
[–]RabbitEater2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a real life example. My lab partner, who I dated for a while, mentioned well into our relationship that my first impression on her was negative and she talked shit about me to her friends. Meanwhile, I always thought she was down. Eventually she gave in.
Tldr assume they like you unless you have definite proof they don't
[–]19throw_away94 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
solid words, my man. i know you already explained some of these in a couple comments or so (i haven't read the entire thread), but do you mind elaborating on these a tad bit?
[–]Daevir 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
but is there an unlimited and divine beauty... in Hitler? This is the only one I have troubles with; a lot of people are racist and full of hate.
[–]pre_internet 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Undoubtably yes. I by no means approve of that fascist fuckhead, but something bad happened to him during his life that broke him inside. Mental illness is real and tragic and gross.
[–]Daevir 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
true, mental illness is almost glorified in my millennial culture. I guess we have something in our DNA that desires us to suffer, because even though we apparently live in the most peaceful time, we still experience the same pain as our ancestors, just in a different way. With China destroying the world environmentally and Russia trying to start war we aren't secure in our tomorrow. We also experience an interesting phenomena: what tragedy one person may have experienced throughout their entire life, we experience that daily with our simultaneous connection to the entire world and disconnection to our friends and family and ourselves. Minimum wage cannot support much of a life, education costs 10,000s of dollars, and everyone is depressed and drugs are SO glorified, but a lot of time it isn't drugs that will cure our ailments. Sometimes you just need a support system or a friend that you can trust, but that's so rare too. at the same time we don't know if our government has our best interests at heart. dating sucks too because no one is loyal and everyone likes playing games. At least I've gotten good at playing the game, but it's still tiresome.
[–]pre_internet 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Everyone suffers. Everyone who has ever existed. However you never can truly appreciate eating a really fucking amazing taco where you’re like holy fuck this taco is the fucking best taco in the universe until you’ve had a really shitty taco that tasted like wet newspaper and kept you on the shitter for three days.
[–]vittelmac 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Love your outlook.
[–]agree-with-you 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love you both
[–]pacg 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People of destruction are an expression of the divine beauty like a tsunami or tidal wave. They are the extreme representation of the darkness, or the potential for darkness, that resides in the heart and soul of all human beings.
But there is always hope for transcendence and redemption as the story of Daryl Davis demonstrates. He’s the black blues musician who befriended Klan members, particularly those in high leadership positions, and inspired them to leave the klan just by being a good dude.
It’s a really interesting story and if you have time, listen to it at http://snapjudgment.org/the-klan
[–]Daevir 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was actually just telling my brother about this today - synchronicity all around me.
[–]Zendicate 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]pre_internet 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes sir. This post is about frame, but google the hell outta that shit. It’s magic.
[–]pacg 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I recall the old guideline that the kiss should not be he first time you make physical contact.
[–]smao815 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Do you have a big dick?
[–]pre_internet 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You fuck the right fucking woman and your whole body becomes your dick. Hahhaha.
[–]smao815 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Answer the question man
[–]badthony 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's telling you it doesnt matter dude, you just gotta have the big dick energy
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