Excuse me for a minute. I need to [Rant]

leftajar · 2013-05-16T16:07:05+00:00

Here's the fuckin problem: most dudes on seddit don't want to make the change. They don't want to approach girls. They don't want to adopt the lifestyle. It's too uncomfortable.

That's why outer game shit gets downvoted -- it highlights to most of the readership how little action they're taking. And why inner game gets upvoted -- it makes cowardly do-nothing guys feel good.

I'm all in favor of a subreddit devoted to cold-approach pickup. Seddit has withered and lost its purpose.

Geek-A-Leek · 2013-05-16T12:53:02+00:00

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ThrowawayPUA · 2013-05-16T13:34:29+00:00

You are proposing changes to the upvoting structure of reddit. That is beyond the control of seddit moderators. Even if we could come to a consensus on acting a specific way, updownvoters are invisible and can defect from the consensus with impunity.

You complain about "excessive" posting of certain topics like bad FRs. There is a reason those are tagged, so people who don't care for them can skip them (and for people who want them can find them more easily). The Moderators expend considerable effort dealing with crappy posts and if you think seddit is bad, you ought to see what it would be like without the persistent effort at moderation.

It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. You rant and complain, but at least you have the civility to offer positive material. You need to show leadership from the front, by leading the way with material that makes the specific contribution you want to see. But then you revert back to whining at the end.

Ultimately, you have to take responsibility to make the changes you want to see. I always tell people, seddit is what you make it. If you want to make it better, that is rarely achieved by discussions of what makes it better. It is achieved by actually making it better. If you want to do that, post some material that has substantial value for seddit. For all the complaining about poor posts in seddit, you should realize that a single high quality post has more effect than a hundred poor ones. A positive contribution brings more value than you could ever expect.

skgoa · 2013-05-16T13:16:24+00:00

Upvoted. When I joined reddit over a year ago, I was one of the strongest proponents of "inner game", purely because I had no outer game to speak of bt still got great results through attitude alone. But even though my views on pick-up have not changed that much, I'm now way more on the "outer" side. It seems like most answers that newbies get here nowadays are feel-good mottos that don't help or educate at all.

If you are unhappy and want to improve your life: improve your inner game. If you want to get better at conversations/flirting/dates/etc.: improve your outer game. If you aren't perfect in both categories: improve BOTH. With time and experience, you will find the right balance for yourself. But neither "just memorize these lines" nor "just be happy and all the right women will be attracted to you" will get you anywhere in the long run.

Though tbh through my ~15 years of internet experience I believe it's more effective to simply post the kind of content you want to see discussed.

merv243 · 2013-05-16T13:45:45+00:00

This all appears great, unfortunately I don't know what the hell you're talking about in your routine.

2013-05-16T14:59:04+00:00

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2013-05-16T15:04:53+00:00

i can relate to your complaints. you have some good points. me personaly have been off the market for over 5yrs and i realized that i have to start all over again. even when i was in my early 20's i realized how important inner game was since i witnessed the most ridiculous attempts by guys on outer game without any inner. they failed hard and made themselves a fool. whatever you do or say it doesnt work out as long as its not authentic and feels wrong.

i mean on my height of my game years ago i was so straight up and said to girls right into their face"we talked for 10min. and havent make out yet" which was my nasty opener for escalation and worked well!

today i have anxieties and fears to approach! wtf.

no time to feel sorry for myself. move on and learn.

my opinion is if you have a good inner game you can master outer game but not the other way around.

cooledcannon · 2013-05-16T20:32:17+00:00

Yes, i totally agree. inner game is more important than outer game, but that can be boiled down to 10 sentences max, or people could go to /r/GetMotivated or naturally boost their confidence or something. the more interesting things to read are easily stuff about outer game.

2013-05-16T23:10:38+00:00

not sure who you are, but you just set back feminism by a good 10 years

ejpusa · 2013-05-16T11:36:14+00:00

Wow I'm down to just saying Hello. They are just girls, but quite an effort here. I've dropped out of the game. I just code now. You many want to do an eBook.

Roleplay GF, Harry Potter : I'm not sure what you mean here. Role play Harry Potter? What would be a scenario?

PS, yes I Up Voted the post.

CoolLordL21 · 2013-05-16T13:47:29+00:00

At work. Up voted and saved for later, when I can read it.

Nahtanos · 2013-05-16T14:38:21+00:00

I like daygaming. Have you tried this series of steps in a daygame context?

Some routines might work really well in daygame. Speed seduction on the day 2 is crucial to ensure the date is sexual not just some fucking chance to talk. Push-pull functions wherever, whenever.

But some other routines might be too much. I imagine the booty opener would be fucking weird if done on the street.

Also, one more thing. How much planning did you do to make sure you were seeing results? was it as concrete as "do 3 approaches a day" or did you just end up going out a lot. I'm trying to leverage my results so wondering if you had a scheme. Thanks good post!

nahdawgnahh · 2013-05-16T17:38:01+00:00

I'm going to first say that this is a great and well written guide, and I do plan on implementing stuff when I can. I did upvote the post as well.

That being said, the appeal of inner game for me is that I have huge issues with my genetics and how women react to the way I look. When women look at my face and immediately get a look of disgust or try to get away from me before I can say a word, my self-esteem takes a huge hit (I know I should be outcome independent, but I cannot imagine most people not thinking in the same way if it happened to them). So I have tried gaining muscle, losing fat, dressing well, styling whenever I go out, working on posture and eye contact, and making my life much more enjoyable in spite of women. This still has been fruitless.

That's the appeal of inner game for me, so that one day I can hopefully learn to accept the way I look and not harbor feelings of jealously or bitterness of those who don't have the issues I face.

I want to note though that I still do approaches and have never downvoted outer game for the sake of it being outer game. I'm just explaining why inner game has an appeal for people like myself.

Kitad · 2013-05-16T18:16:46+00:00

I upvoted, and appreciate the input even though it is not my style.

I think that people in this thread are mistakenly thinking the dichotomy between inner game and canned game. It isn't like that at all. Discussing natural game is also outer game (just like improving your inner game will help you have a better canned game).

In my opinion, trying routines/lines can be great so you step up from your comfort zone, try something new and maybe learn a thing or two about how women tick. If you like them, you can use them forever. But always remembering that congruency/confidence rule supreme, and without those everything else will be in vain.

Personally I do not want to relate to people with canned material. I want to be able to develop the qualities I see as positive (confidence, light-heartedness, etc.) in a way that is spontaneous. I do see value in canned game, but it has to come from the right frame.

My problem is that if you are coming from a position of shitty inner game and beleifs systems, if you have low self-esteem, or if you haven't looked critically at certain problems in your life, then doing canned game for too long can ultimately be detrimental. It can put someone in the mindset that their core spontaneous personality is not enough, so they train their brain to always be preparing for social encounters with things to say/do/routines. When you are in this mindset for too long, it takes a while to come back. I know because I've been there (it was an amazing learning experience though).

But by all means, if you are comfortable with who you are, if you can be spontaneous and feel good (ie. have great inner game), go for the canned game if its useful to you and more importantly, you enjoy doing it.

WhiteY515 · 2013-05-16T21:08:30+00:00

Good stuff, thanks!

LivingOnAMoteOfDust · 2013-05-16T21:22:28+00:00

Since I have only been reading this subreddit for a few months I can't reflect on its quality so well.

What stuck with me though was the fantastic development of your success. From what I can read here you changed dramatically for the better. This is a big motivation for me. As I'm trying to go the same road I would like to ask you for the steps you took. You kind of elaborated on that in the first paragraph.

Now I do most of the stuff you have been doing as well: I go to the gym, I take care of proper dieting, I read a lot on this subreddit, I watch PUA videos on Youtube, etc.

However, what I have been struggeling with is a structure. I get flooded with all this excellent information without giving my learning process any structure. I'm even afraid to forget valuable material and (personal) insights.

So my question to you is: How did you go about learning all this? Did you create a plan or did you just read without any plan in mind?

2013-05-16T23:11:55+00:00

a skill set that by definition, only creates a few experts, is by definition, not best learned on a forum that is controlled by everyone equally

losesomeweight · 2013-05-17T00:01:48+00:00

People underrate just being nice. Personally, I love to tease girls and everything, but if you are that type of person, wear it and wear it proud. Just won what you have and make it a plus, stop trying to be like other people.

Damn_ImGood · 2013-05-17T02:33:19+00:00

Funny that I came on here for the first time in a couple months and the last thing I said was "Yaaaay outer game!" We don't get enough of it.

DestinationYourMom · 2013-05-17T04:50:46+00:00

Brilliant

squattincassanova3 · 2013-05-17T10:39:27+00:00

Inner game can be fixed through outer game. Simple as that.

sirderpy · 2013-05-16T14:59:15+00:00

I just read through your routine and imagined you just blurting this all out in one go without stopping to take a breath or let her answer. Got funnier the longer it went on.

b204257 · 2013-05-17T07:14:55+00:00

You know I posted a technique I use regarding outer game and it went no where... you can check it out by clicking my name I guess I called the post the "prude" trick. But I completely agree with the lack of outer game things on here. Immediately someone posts about their moral highground on things and its like.... I never said don't be genuine, don't let a girl know of your intentions or let a girl know your not looking for a relationship(if that's what your out there for). I merely stated what has worked for me and hope works for the community. I love to share things I learn that work... but here we are huh? Inner game is the most vital part of pick up. True. Though outer game is just pushed to the side.

We'll theres my little rant haha I enjoyed your post man but to be honest I have seen about 20 other like this; pointing out the fact that there is a lack of outer game. It ultimately goes no where. So my solution: Everyone post outer game ideas if you have some. Don't worry about being downvoted because i swear to God If iI see it I will upvote it. Don't worry about karma. Worry about at least one Guy seeing it and it helping him. You never know it may be a game changer for that person. We can turn this shit around but I say 'lets actually fucking do it!'

xAngelOfHarlem · 2013-05-16T16:50:09+00:00

Just wanted to let y'all know I was the 69th person to upvote! Oh, and to say that you have a point. What you see on your front page really is the topic du jour. There are so many aspects to this and has quite literally become a science. If you are new to this one might think it is all just another self improvement reddit.

Title	Excuse me for a minute. I need to [Rant]
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	679
Comments	110
Date	May 16, 2013 8:40 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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