tl;dr for key things to remember

puaCurveBall · 2013-01-10T23:32:09+00:00

Big ones for me are:

Assume attraction (treat women like they are picking you up)
Escalate until you are actually rejected.
Frame control (this handles shit tests and framing conversation)

ErrorlessGnome · 2013-01-10T23:19:33+00:00

My additions:

inner game -- you need to be happy with yourself before others can be happy for you
open everyone. no matter what.

nfg91 · 2013-01-11T01:54:10+00:00

All the things you listed are good, but you have to realize all of that stuff has to be automatic subconsciously done. You can't be in the middle of an interaction and trying to decode wtf is going on and how to react or you'll fuck up very fast.

My absolute best nights have been when I'm in a great mood- happy and excited to be out, and MOTIVATED to go interact with women. I don't think at all. I don't think. I just talk to who I want when I want to talk to them. And everything works out great. And each interaction gets easier after the 1st one. Its like an On/Off switch. When you start interacting you become unstoppable.

Jewbot69 · 2013-01-11T01:56:22+00:00

As someone who has no idea how to deal with Amog's can anyone help me out?

KiwiCantReddit · 2013-01-10T22:38:33+00:00

Good list. I'd also add Outcome Independance to it

SupperTime · 2013-01-11T02:00:16+00:00

Can you elaborate on push and pull? Is it showing interest, and then backing off?

ImJustAMan · 2013-01-11T02:50:55+00:00

Maintain a dominant frame, take up space!

AtheistAgnostic · 2013-01-10T23:49:51+00:00

I mean, in truth it depends on how you approach it. This is a good checklist for how most people view the game, but for me, they are all smaller components of a larger idea. Cultivating desire is the object of seduction, and desire comes from being able to sense what the woman wants and feels. This means being able to come into the gap between you and her by making her trust you and feel complete.

So I think about things this way. Maybe different from alot of PUAs, but I find it quite effective. Different strokes for different folks.

tl;dr: Desire is created by giving a woman a gift you haven't got to give--the very thing she lacks. We know what she lacks by feeling who she is.

tl;dr: Empathy

Sed-Throwaway · 2013-01-10T22:33:36+00:00

Text game

Get rid of your fuckin' phone

Kind of contradicting?

rape_enjoyer · 2013-01-11T02:45:10+00:00

What don't you like about negging? Obviously some women (usually ones with daddy issues) won't take kindly to being playfully made fun of, but I've found that you can usually throw in an easy insult "Did you copy your haircut from Skrillex?" that isn't going to offend so much.

HiddenDumpling · 2013-01-11T07:55:06+00:00

I'd say Neg theory does have some credibility, but only on high value girls. I wouldn't really use one unless the girl was brimming with confidence and/or a HB9 and up.

2013-01-11T10:05:46+00:00

Key things to think of while you're out:

Always assume attraction.
Keep time between sets as LOW as possible, open directly (within 30s) when you enter the venue. Whenever you eject from a set, open a new one as quickly as possible.
Your criteria for success are INTERNAL, it is irrelevant how the external world responds to you.
Always take sets as far as you can before giving up. Don't use rationalizations as barriers to success.

AtheistAgnostic · 2013-01-11T15:14:01+00:00

Yeah so lets sum up the whole subreddit in one post. We can just delete all the others! Delete the whole sidebar!

Anyway, for me it's:

Make girls work for every little thing
Screen / Compliance test
Logistics
KINO KINO KINO
Show intent, not interest

LeonardTimber · 2013-01-11T07:01:56+00:00

snipers and shotguns should be a critical tool in every PUAs arsenal. They are good, when used properly, for two reasons:

They do what they are intended to do, which is demonstrate that a girl should want your approval (since you have just made yourself more of a center of attention at her expense). If she wants your approval, she will have to work for it.
They help with inner game, and avoiding one-itis or over-valuing a target.

SwissPUA · 2013-01-10T23:32:20+00:00

Get rid of your fuckin' phone

Huh? What the fuck should this mean? It can't be that hard to be aware of your phone usage, can it...

ShikseWTF · 2013-01-11T08:14:56+00:00

Getting rid of your phone while out at a bar/ clubbing etc is really a big deal today, cause everyone always pulls out theirs for no reason. I think like u are already more interesting and special when not pulling it out every few minutes, sad but true.

AtheistAgnostic · 2013-01-11T08:46:31+00:00

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Jhey00 · 2013-01-11T13:09:05+00:00

Thanks

SilentA57 · 2013-01-12T05:22:43+00:00

I personally love negs. I also find that people most of the time misunderstand it as a insult. negs ate powerful because you can use to be cockyfunny, use to reframe. Listen to mystery's audio interview with love system where he explains neg theory has been changed to "disqualification theory". What I'm saying is dont insult but calibrate and use it to tease.

wedoitlive · 2013-01-17T09:46:34+00:00

My keys are pretty simple:

Abundance mentality > Scarcity mentality, because there are millions of women who you still haven't met.
Cultivate outcome independence, because being shot down really ain't so bad.

jackisabanker · 2013-01-10T21:58:03+00:00

Can you please tell me what all these abbreviations stand for??

nittutt · 2013-01-10T21:51:29+00:00

I don't believe in the "Kino" theory. Let me explain:

I believe in touching. Gradually "increasing" the touching and all that. But with the "Kino" teachings out there, everything becomes overly complicated.

Touching should be a part of you. It should be something you feel comfortable with and something that happens naturally. If you put so much focus on it as the theory states, you will be a bit creepy as the focus is very noticeable.

apolloblaze1814 · 2013-01-11T04:48:50+00:00

Can we please get rid of the acronyms and abbreviations? I've been here for awhile and I still have to Google/Urban Dictionary these things. (Yes I know there is a "Glossary")

Vendrel · 2013-01-11T05:41:30+00:00

One thing, as a new user, what do all the acronyms mean? "AMOG, IODs, IOIs, DHV/Social Proof, Negs?"

Jesse_Drooms · 2013-01-11T04:22:34+00:00

Can someone link me a good article on 'Kino'? Not exactly sure what it is.

LeonardTimber · 2013-01-11T04:36:49+00:00

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typtyphus · 2013-01-10T23:00:51+00:00

text game, and get rid of the phone....

I'm confused

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