why does everyone on reddit hate trp?

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sh1v · 2014-04-27T22:48:25+00:00

or more to the point: why does everyone on reddit hates trp when it purports to offer men the tools to be become charismatic social leaders?

Being a leader doesn't mean being liked by 51%+ of people on reddit. It means being respected by the people who actually matter. Deep down, you know this. There are plenty of kids with Internet gold and karma out the wazoo who are by no means charismatic leaders IRL.

if you guys learned to be magnetic and charming why doesn't it translate online at all? is it a type of social skills that only works on certain circumstances(e.g. on drunk women in bars) but under any other circumstances falls flat? are everyone too brainwashed to like you despite your considerable personal charm?

Anonymous online forums and RL socializing are two vastly different things. No red piller is trying to exercise "charm" on reddit. There'd be no benefit to it.

Deep down, you know this. You're just driven by the need to score some debate points even though part of you knows your shit doesn't make much sense.

is it because many of the guys you're recruiting are bitter and socially maladjusted from the get-go? if so, do you have some sort of deadline in mind by which point most of your members would've become charming alphas?

Nice shaming attempts. Are socially maladjusted people subhuman to you or something? Is there any substance to what you're saying or are you degenerating into random insults like so many blue pillers.

is it all just a plan to get noteriety on reddit, a "any publicity is good publicity" kind of deal?

Sure. And blue pillers all want to be dominated sexually by Redpill men, hence their fascination with us.

Or we could refrain from amateur night psychoanalysis. Your call.

basically i have to ask: if it works, why isn't it working?

A counter question. If it doesn't work, why is it working? As so many of our members attest.

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juswannabeanony · 2014-04-27T17:00:49+00:00

Back before TRP had gained the subscribers it had now, this post titled "Women Have No Value Beyond Their Pussies" was upvoted to the sub's #1 post before it was brigaded. This is the kind of person that TRP attracted to it back before its popularity on Reddit changed the type of person who finds the sub.

And this is the kind of shit the mod of TRP says/advocates.

So yeah, redditors don't hate TRP because we're all a bunch of feminazis who want to make sure the betas stay incel. TRP is a haven for hate speech, particularly misogyny.

[deleted] · 2014-04-27T19:26:26+00:00

edit-I only read the first sentence of OP so you'll have to take this post in that context

hates trp when it purports to offer men the tools to be become charismatic social leaders?

HA. That's funny. Nobody hates that part. They hate that trp combines genuine self-improvement with sociopathic misogyny.

Its a mindset that includes:

glorifying the dark triad personality (psychopathy, Machiavellianism, narcissism)
glorifying virgin wives (how egotistical that they can't take the idea that they might be compared to another man)
focusing only on the subset of women who are into the dominance and submission fetish
valuing physical appearance to such a degree that theres a willingness to deal with women who are emotional toddlers who can be trained like dogs
advocating lies and manipulations for the sake of sex followed by a quick plate nexting, with no empathy towards the jaded damage that might do to another human
advocating very superficial relationships consisting mainly of a stern frame of manipulation, with little honest communication or actual human connection. Its like training a dog basically. Except the goal is to have sex with them.
a strawman representation of feminism that has little resemblance
the subreddit reminds me a bit of a cargo cult. http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/cargocult.htm Its similar in that they take real experiences, and work out logical mechanisms for it all, which the whole little society wholeheartedly accepts and makes sense of (swallow the pill if you will), but to an outside observer they are clearly wrong, but you pity them and understand why they desperately formed this cult because life just didn't give them enough information to figure things out properly.

You can strip away all of the sociopathic parts and have an entirely functional education on human relationships and self improvement here, and have a bunch of great people who are decisive and don't act like doormats, and all kinds of great lessons on the theory of fulfilling human relationships. But no, there is a parasitic spiteful bitter misogyny which is entirely useless and unnecessary that trpers wont let go of due to whatever damaging experience jaded them.

LinkFixerBotSnr · 2014-04-28T11:19:42+00:00

My theory is pretty outrageous but I more or less believe it.

The red pill represents a huge offense to a women's sexual stratergy. Women rely on men overestimating their value to acquire as much resource as possible. Women are born with value and only lose it with age, the only way to increase your value is by changing the perception of your value.

Feminists are just acting on their sexual stratergy to increase the resources available for women and constantly and relentlessly try to improve the percieved value of women.

Red Pill punches a giant fucking hole in the feminist assault line. Here's a website giving away all the secrets to sexual stratergy amd destroying the female sexual stratergy.

Now men can get sex without sacrificing any resources, and the women can't even stop it or realise it's happening. This is why TRP gets mire hate then other offebsive websites like r/beatingwomen, beating women is terrible but isn't perceived as an immediate threat to women.

So women (and men who still believe in the whiteknight sexual stratergy) fight against it, only women don't fight with logic, they fight with emotions.

This is why red pillers are vile, filthy misogynists, but are never actually proven to be wrong.

GridReXX · 2014-04-28T16:17:41+00:00

or more to the point: why does everyone on reddit hates trp when it purports to offer men the tools to be become charismatic social leaders?

Why does everyone hate NAMBLA? It's just a bunch of men telling other men it's okay to indulge in their predilections and have sex with little boys.

Is their constant question purposely obtuse? Or have they never heard a critique of TRP. Everyone always says teaching people how to be confident, invest in themselves, improve themselves, etc... is not unique to TRP. It's common sense. TRP doesn't get ridiculed because of that.

TRP adds that good ol layer of misogyny, chauvinism, hate, ignorance, non-facts, generalizations, did i mention ignorance?, etc...

That's why they are universally dismissed as legit. Kind of like the KKK. If the KKK were just about having an identity and being happy about it, it wouldn't be ridiculed. (BTW I'm black.) When you go around saying you're better than other people and burning crosses on lawns... you become a social pariah.

Archwinger · 2014-04-28T17:19:25+00:00

The Red Pill works awesomely.

When you meet an evil Red Pill guy in the real world, he seems like anybody else. Or honestly, he seems better than a lot of people. He's assertive, charismatic, funny, confident, clearly works out, is well-read, has a lot of interesting things to talk about, and always seems to know somebody useful he can contact in most subject areas. He seems like the kind of guy you want to have a beer with and if you're a woman, the kind of guy that makes you swoon a little bit and wonder if you can ever find a guy like that, and if he's into you, you wonder how this awesome man ever chose you.

When you read evil Red Pill shit on the internet, you're greeted by teenagers tossing around the words cunt and whore like they're going out of style, all in an effort to impress other teenagers on the internet. And a bunch of angry whiners. The information is great, but a lot of the good stuff is buried.

When you meet a normal guy, he's usually kind of shy, doesn't speak his mind unless asked to avoid offending anybody or risking rejection, is almost annoyingly polite and bland, is either too fat or too skinny, probably reads a lot of fiction and shits around on the internet and plays video games in his spare time, and you're just not that impressed with the guy and probably wouldn't consider dating him if you're a woman. (Conversely, the guy might be a burly blue collar guy, a boisterous ass who drinks on the weekends and loves to sit and watch sports, and other appropriate stereotypes, but most guys reading reddit right now fit the former description better.)

When you meet some tool who read a few things on The Red Pill looking for easy answers, he seems like a real douche. Artificial. Bitches too much about women and how he thinks they are. Comes across as entirely too try-hard as he attempts to demonstrate his manliness. Shallow. Annoying. You'd rather date the bland guy from the paragraph above than this idiot.

So the hierarchy is: Actual RP guy > Normal guy > Stupid RP idiot

But nobody changes their minds on the internet, so everything you read in the TRP subreddit is going to be tailored to impress that audience. Not to impress you. Nothing in TRP is written to convince outsiders of anything. It's just men getting shit off of their chest, swapping stories, and discussing strategies, and a few of them seeing how many times they can fit the words cunt and whore into a sentence and still have it make sense. TRP's not exactly recruiting or trying to impress anybody.

alifib2 · 2014-04-27T17:34:57+00:00

Here is a reason.

if it works, why isn't it working?

I've seen plenty of guys on TRP say "If we met in real life, you wouldn't even know I was RP"

Which makes it pretty clear. If it does work in real life it's because they don't let women see who they are, but rather they lie to and manipulate women.

GooseNewberg · 2014-04-29T01:27:20+00:00

The reason TRP is hated is simple: The people.

Go on TRP and say you disagree with one or a few aspects of the ideology and watch how long it takes for you to either be called a worthless woman, told you have a small penis, or both.

Some of it makes sense, some of it doesn't, the sub is mostly made up of douchenozzles.

[deleted] · 2014-04-29T03:56:22+00:00

Hmm...

It's sexist and bigoted, as are the majority of RPs.

And a large portion is misogynist to boot.

What's not to like?

(elek belek boom)

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FortunateBum · 2014-04-27T21:19:31+00:00

it purports to offer men the tools to be become charismatic social leaders?

Uhh no. TRP offers an opportunity to understand female psychology. What you do with that information is up to you.

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[deleted] · 2014-04-27T23:34:35+00:00

why does everyone on reddit hates trp when it purports to offer men the tools to be become charismatic social leaders?

According to the detractors, the things we discuss are not supposed be able to be learned. The only true socially dominant people are "natural alphas". Therefore, they only see a bunch of people acting fake or manipulative.

if you guys learned to be magnetic and charming why doesn't it translate online at all?

See above

is it a type of social skills that only works on certain circumstances (e.g. on drunk women in bars) but under any other circumstances falls flat? are everyone too brainwashed to like you despite your considerable personal charm?

Every other accusation lobbed at TRP after the fake/manipulative bit is an ad hominem to rationalize away the legitimacy of the discussion.

is it because many of the guys you're recruiting are bitter and socially maladjusted from the get-go?

Ad hominem.

basically i have to ask: if it works, why isn't it working?

Informal fallacy. The assumption that "it isn't working" is stated in the question without evidence.

roe_ · 2014-04-27T18:13:05+00:00

There's a nice little post one TRP here which talks a bit about this:

When the reprogramming of the Lace Curtain program begins, the man must compensate with what, on the surface, sounds like woman bashing. The 'woman bashing' is not actually woman bashing, but his only release of the pain as his mind sinks through the terrible hell of being reprogrammed. The phenomenon of Men's Rights websites has most of them in this process. You will find lengthy essays and some harsh tones. Women will view it and simply dismiss it as, "Angry males," but they are attempting to remove their programming. They are not blogging to talk to the world. They are blogging to talk to their mind. They are not posting messages on boards to talk to others. They are posting messages to themselves to save themselves. The reason why men’s' rights boards has so much of a "Yes Man!" quality to them is because it is not so much a discussion forum as it is a tonic, a salve, for the bleeding mind as it is being cut up, diced, and re-arranged where the Lace Curtain program cannot get to it. The reprogramming takes two to three years. This is why most Men's Rights blogs mysteriously vanish after two to three years. There is no more reason to talk to themselves. The Lace Curtain program has been removed.

When processing psychologically difficult material, it's hard to seem charismatic.

It's also worth noting "charismatic social leader" is a term heavily weighted with social context and depends on which "in-group" you belong to.

So, Paul Elam is either a complete scumbag or a charismatic social leader, if you are a social justice-type or an MRA, respectively.

alphabetmod · 2014-04-27T18:36:21+00:00

At least 48,000 people don't hate TRP, so not everyone does.

[deleted] · 2014-04-29T17:46:08+00:00

I dislike it because of it's view of women and how it takes advantage of unfortunate men to propogate those beliefs.

[deleted] · 2014-04-29T08:09:58+00:00

You confuse Game with TRP. Game does all those. TRP is Game + saying shitty things about women. That is what gets hated. The women have no agency type bullshit.

[deleted] · 2014-04-30T18:14:23+00:00

Religious adherence to pseudoscience and acting really antagonistically when their beliefs are called into question with legitimate science
General misogyny and bigotry
Unwillingness to recognize that many of the negative aspects they attribute to women (shallowness, rationalization, lack of maturity) are equally prevalent in men, and that the issue is that they continue to pursue rather dumb, shallow women
Just anger in generally. If your comments are filled with anger and hate you generally aren't to be well liked, especially if the people around you don't believe your anger is justified
A sense of entitlement not based in reality. Many of the problems Red Pillers faced could easily be resolved, but they seem to rather expect the world to change to suit them rather than the other way around, no matter whom it harms in the process

[deleted] · 2014-04-28T11:04:04+00:00

Same reason everyone hats SRS, they have extreme views. What makes them extreme? They're not mainstream. ..

Title	why does everyone on reddit hate trp?
Author	endendino
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Date	April 27, 2014 4:44 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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