Vetting modern relationships for long term viability. TLDR A majority of women are unsuitable for marriage. My perspective on the ultimate goal of RP life and how to plan for that goal. A post 10 years in the making.

ledditor_1337 · 2015-11-05T04:09:56+00:00

This is RP endgame material.

Also big lulz at the notes.

michael_wilkins · 2015-11-05T06:11:05+00:00

don't get stuck in the memememe stage without realizing that you will grow.

I just realised I'm still stuck in that stage when I read that as meme meme not me me me me.

RED_PILL_TRUTH · 2015-11-05T07:05:46+00:00

Good read. Ended earlier than I thought. disagree on a few points, I think you are underestimating the extreme scarcity of worthy women, and I think that is a reflection of your age. If you were out here in the trenches more, you would see what I mean.

Second, I think there is nothing wrong with a stay at home mother, especially when the kids are extremely young and impressionable. I don't want suzy the 21 year old pothead with tattoos and piercings working at the daycare center being my child's earliest memories.

AS LONG AS A FEW CONDITIONS ARE MET:

Your finances have to be on point. On fucking point, to a point that most will never see. She will leave with the kids if there are not adequate resources. (As she should. It sucks, but if you aren't providing for your children you are a failure biologically and are worse than a beta bucks, you are essentially an omega). There are plenty of beta bucks out there to take over for your failure.
The children need to be educated, early and outside of the pathetic government schooling system. The mother needs to be intelligent enough not only to grasp difficult concepts, but to communicate these concepts to the offspring- because can you really trust the government with something so important?
If the female is not bringing in resources for the family, she needs to be a top-notch expert manager of what resources are there. The children, the house, the social status, her body, the extended family. There will be crisis with all of these, and there is no time for daytime television when these resources are being managed properly. Yes, a woman's body is a resource to your family. So are your children. Your children can be extreme assets in the future. The extended family, which is hopefully existent- if it isn't for you, my apologies, and if it isn't for her, you probably ignored most of the advice here about marrying a woman from a strong family. This extended family is what is used as a safe social circle for the young child, as educators and protectors in this fucked up modern society.

I agree that plates are not an end game, they are just part of the game. I refuse to believe that is going to lead to long-term happiness past 40. child free people are generally extremely lost (with exceptions) and tend to have some easily identifiable markers that make me glad they are not spreading their genetics. As another commenter said, "There's something to be said for staring into the eyes of the beast, and then jumping down its throat balls first."

eterate · 2015-11-05T10:49:51+00:00

My end game is to relocate to some developing nation where divorce rape wont exist for a long time and early semi-retire there. I'll be a father who started in their 40s although, which makes me sad for the children. I was born to young parents and I really appreciate how I can still have a good connection to my parents because of it. And how they'll be in my life for a very long time.

My children wont have that, but at least their father will be relatively wealthy as fuck.

Why not do the whole surrogate thing? Mostly because I do not want a step mother effect. Bio mom & dad, no divorce or family issues is the best thing for everyone involved.

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Shotgun_Sentinel · 2015-11-05T07:27:27+00:00

Whats wrong with having a woman stay at home with the kids?

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RedDeadlift · 2015-11-05T06:27:06+00:00

The OVERT captain / first mate dynamic is so important, nice emphasis on that. She has to be willing to let others know that you make the decisions. She must be unquestioningly loyal.

I must disagree on one point however. With modern laws and in modern society, I see marriage and children as independent things. There is no need to sign that three way contract (you, her, government) in order to have kids. If the woman is fully committed to building a life with you and isn't bought into the system, then she should follow your lead in not ever getting married.

Also, not everyone wants kids. I don't give a fuck if my genetics are passed along or not. There are 7+ billion people on this planet and the entire existence of humanity is but a blip on the spectrum of time. I've met parents who say having kids was the best decision they've made, I've met parents who are indifferent, and I've met parents who actually regret having kids, even after they are grown. There are other ways to have a fulfilling life than children. Especially in today's society where if a person sets themselves up correctly, they can travel the world and work from anywhere. Different strokes for different folks.

Einen777 · 2015-11-05T13:52:26+00:00

"Casual sex is a stop gap to a relationship, which is a bridge to a family which is your end goal. If your goal is to end your genetic lineage, you are a failure at life ultimately."

A family is most certainly not my end goal. As for ending my genetic lineage, I can simply become a sperm donor. I might also add that I already have a family - my relatives. I have no need for a nuclear family. If anything, as I age, the extended family prevalent in less developed countries looks more appealing.

"You become a real family, you stop looking after yourself and start to put your child and your marriage above yourself."

This post sounds very self-sacrificing to me. If a family is functioning well then there should be no need to put them 'above myself'. While this might be what OP wants, I find it very confusing that this is being extrapolated to everyone here at TRP.

boomerbux · 2015-11-05T13:28:49+00:00

If you start from the assumption that the most important thing in life is having kids, then some of this makes sense. But just because your parents' divorce seems to have given you this odd idea doesn't mean that it is correct or that it applies to anyone else. The most important thing in life is your own personal happiness, which might mean having kids and a big, happy family, or it might mean staying single, seeing the world, trying new things, adventure, etc. To each his own. Some people can even do both, I have seen examples, one family travelling all over South America in a huge Land Cruiser and trailer. Having fun, adventures, the kids learning about things by doing them, even doing science experiments along the way. You need money, big money, for that option, but it looks like a good one if you can manage it. I sometimes think about the idea of sailing the world with a woman and kids, but some things are just not in the cards. Main issue being finding that woman, kids are up for anything. So let's see, you can find a virgin at 18 (good luck), marry her at 19, have kids in your 20's, monitor her every movement so she doesn't stray, work your ass off so that she might not feel quite such a big urge to stray, work out forever, stay on a diet forever, and basically never relax for worry that as soon as you let your guard down she's off with Chad. You can raise kids who as soon as they turn 13 get turned onto drugs and sex, and who would much rather be with their friends than you. At 18 they are dating tattoed, drug addled motorcycle fans, and if you're lucky they only need a few hundred thousand to get them through a good university. Where they study fine arts, and can't land a job so they latch on to Bob Beta who is 34 and hopeless, but won't cause many problems until the divorce, when your grandkids are left fatherless. Well, I guess that's a meaningful goal for some people.

kakaviaincopper · 2015-11-05T10:11:52+00:00

a family which is your end goal

This is a ridiculous concept I see strewn around this sub very often. Who are you to say what the "endgoal" is. Some of us are meant for more than taking out a mortgage, buying a minivan, and pumping out sniveling kids.

I see so many men here bemoaning how "feminism" took away their Leave It To Beaver white picket fence life. As if that's something to strive for! There's no reason to have children, consider yourselves freed ("strong and independent") to go do important things in life.

boomerbux · 2015-11-05T13:41:20+00:00

I started dating my first 'real' girlfriend when we were both 16. At 18 she had our lives planned out. Go to the same Uni, graduate together, get married, I get a job while she has kids, buy the big house, 2 cars, the nanny, housekeeper. That was her dream. It sounded (and still does sound) like a complete and total nightmare to me. I broke it off and went travelling for a year. If I can offer anyone one tiny bit of advice it is this: Do not just accept what 'society' has planned for you. Think for yourself! You do not have to conform to society's ideal. Conforming to society is being bluepill as hell. Do what YOU want to do. Do not live for your parents, or your community. You MIGHT really want family, that's terrific. Then do it. But don't just assume you have to follow the norm, from societal pressure, or because of some conformist dorks telling you that you are a failure if kids aren't the most important thing in your life. You are only a failure if you are unhappy, and refuse to do anything about it.

English85 · 2015-11-05T08:34:39+00:00

Good post, I'm kind of living the endgame already, seem to be making a success of it. Here are my reasons why I think it is working:-

Met and fucked her when she was an 18 year old virgin. She has never tasted another cock.

Her dad died when she was 12 and she had to help raise her brother and look after the home while mother worked. She grew up fast and young by necessity.

Got her pregnant age 22 and 27. Both 30 now. Being pregnant and raising small kids is time consuming (for her especially), and I work full time.

She works as a part time midwife. Proper feminine career suits her caring attributes. Part time so she is with the kids 5 days per week, but she is not a financially dependent adult. She gets to make a lot of decisions, most of them in fact. Except where we live, what car we own, where we go on holiday, how much money we spend. So the small number of crucial decisions are mine.

I continue to train BJJ and K1 style kick boxing. I look a bit geeky to be honest, but II am extremely, quietly confident and she feels safe. I have only once had to get physical with someone in her presence in over 12 years and she was dripping wet afterwards.

I fuck her often and in whatever way I please. She laps it up.

MOST IMPORTANTLY - Despite having had two kids, she has maintained her figure. She is no longer the 5" 1 size 6 cup size b ballet dancer physique she was at 18. She now has DDs and is curvier, more a 10 (UK sizes here superfat USA sizes are different) and looks more like a page 3 girl (UK tabloid term) with hourglass figure. Different but she gets to the gym when she can and still looks hot

Joseph_the_Carpenter · 2015-11-05T05:27:52+00:00

Excellent writeup. Should be on the sidebar. The only thing I disagree with is

Your family fucked its way through war and famine

Which was true, but the invention of birth control made the creation of children more difficult. I was as beta bluepill as they come until a few months ago but even as an emasculated inept failure I still managed to get laid enough to have had a kid or two if not for birth control.

vengefully_yours · 2015-11-05T13:32:08+00:00

The road to hell is paved with the best intentions. It's working now, as far as you can tell. She might be cheating, she might have cheated and you're simply oblivious. She is planning on finding a new cock, rest assured of that, because they're always looking for new cock.

Go ahead, tell yourself you found one worthy of commitment and marriage, wife her the start popping kids out. Think you can stay alpha enough, be the leader, and she will follow. Believe what you want, it doesn't change reality.

When I catch a bitch cheating, I start the process of cutting her off. Sometimes it's immediate, like the second wife, sometimes I try to minimize the financial damage and protect my kids from her abuse like the first. Most the time with girlfriends I simply continued fucking them and found others, then replaced her in the roster. I always know when a bitch is cheating or even thinking about it. Having ptsd is useful for reading body language, and I also utilize it to get laid, but it makes me hyper aware of what she is doing. I know before she even meets the guy because everything about her is displaying it.

Now you're going to go with the feminine thinking standard reply. The girls I knew weren't good girls and I chose poorly. AWALT applies directly to this. Every girl is wired the same, to get the best fuck possible and to trade up when it shows up. Does not matter how good the girl is. I've fucked enough high quality wives to know, and the husband never knew, girlfriends have it even easier, they'll cheat but in her mind is isn't cheating. Boyfriends nevertheless know, even when I was in the same room with both her and him. The girls always played it off spectacularly, except they still have tells. I know those tells from experience.

All it takes is you to get sick and she will start thinking about cheating and swinging to another branch. You can't be strong all the time, life happens and any weakness in you turns her off. Anything can start it in motion and once a bitch losers respect for you, doesn't see you as the strong leader, she initiates her plan to find new dick. AWALT. Every fucking one of them. If you think otherwise you're simply deluding yourself.

The risk isn't worth the reward. She gets the rewards even if she cheats, lies, abuses you and the kids, or sets you up with criminal charges. You bear all the risk, she gets all the rewards. Yes I said it twice, because that's reality and you are deluded into thinking women are wonderful, especially your little unicorn.

Don't listen to me, it's not like I haven't lived it, endured all the bullshit, gone to jail for shit I never did because a girl accused me, had a unicorn for 8 years who then tried extremely hard to fuck me over. Yeah I haven't fucked more than 100 girls, haven't traveled around the world and watched girls everywhere do exactly the same shit. Of course you know you're special, she is special too,and it won't happen to you.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Fuck marriage.

basker932 · 2015-11-05T07:07:59+00:00

"You are the product of a long, unbroken line of badasses that managed to fuck a fertile woman and sire a virile male offspring." (paraphrasing something I once read on askreddit; only applies if you're not the product of a test tube, not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but it just doesn't apply to this quote)

Every man has a deadline. Not adhering to the deadline makes his line dead.

IliadsTangent · 2015-11-05T15:25:47+00:00

Your post is self indulgent denial.

1: In the modern world ,families and kids belong to WOMEN. Do you know where you rank insofar as society is concerned? You're the Third Officer. The leader of the household is women, following that her friends and female relatives, THEN the males. You have no command authority over your family at all in the modern schema, and every female alive under the age of 72 knows this well.

The reason modern women mock displays of masculinity is because those macho expressions aren't backed up by authority. Go ahead and commit to a modern woman. One day she'll put you to the test, and when you call her bluff as a proper man should be she will drop the hammer on you via a literal Legion of bluepill enablers in modern government. Modern cops and government functionaries absolutely LOVE teaching a delusional man such as yourself who really runs the family household.

Argue so much as one time with a female, and you can end up in front of a judge on DV charges .Go ahead and attend a local circuit court session if you think I'm full of it.

2: Passing on your genetic legacy is only ensured by spinning plates, perpetually. This ain't 1972 bud. Commitment to a woman nowadays means :

"Awesome. I have his money and his house in my pocket. I'm gonna go fuck my friends hunky drug dealer , because now I have a nest for my brood."

Your counter is , of course, that you have some secret crystal ball process which vets unicorns so well this will never happen to you. Besides , the studies state it only happens to 3 in ten guys anyways and you're way too cool to get cuck'd.

Let's roll with that. What the studies to date dont control for are multiple kids. In America, if 30% of families are genetically cucked that translates to millions of people who are raising someone else's kids, and many of them are likely mixed families where out of three kids only one genetically belongs to the nominal father-thats YOU OP.

Which means you'll be toiling two score and change raising your weed dealers genetic legacy, not yours. Even if half your kids belong to you, that's still a very shitty proposition considering some Alpha is balls deep in a hotter piece of tail then your unicorn.His legacy is secure. Yours is limited

.Another distressing point for the Unicorn Hunters: the more unstable the Alpha, the less likely the woman will pursue him for money. Girls know the devil may care ex con with a drug habit and felony record ain't father material. Won't stop her from fucking him, or wanting to have his kid. I've seen too many harrowing cases of "proper society" women truly scraping the pond scum of Society for a side fuck. Oh look , your unicorn fell pregnant. But why is this kid of "yours" so impulsive and violent when the first one wasn't? Hope you like paying for rehab trips and lawyers bud.

Women , BTW,have no moral qualms lying to their entire male family members for DECADES about cucolding.I wish you luck accomplishing a way to find The Honest Woman , a task men have tried and failed to do since the fucking Old Testament was in first edition published scroll. You can either invent a reason to ignore the sad fact that a proper patriarchial family is functionally impossible today, or you can hamster yourself back to 1940. I wish you luck on your time travels.

james-watson · 2015-11-05T05:50:55+00:00

Fascinating. There's something to be said for staring into the eyes of the beast, and then jumping down its throat balls first.

BUT, you are only speaking from anecdotal evidence. Speak to a few men who are much wealthier and more successful than yourself, and who followed your rules to the letter, and still got raped via divorce court.

Until the laws change, you are complicit in the suffering of all men by submitting to the depraved institution that is modern marriage.

Have kids, just don't sign the damn paper in revolt. Have a passport ready for South Korea in case she wants to play hardball with child support. Don't feed the fucking beast.

ChairBorneMGTOW · 2015-11-05T11:15:11+00:00

" The old men that are telling you that "you're going to get married and have kids" are right...."

Speak for yourself buster. In my 40's, no desire to have kids at all, and have known this deep down since puberty.

red-curry · 2015-11-05T07:49:50+00:00

Glad to hear from the old guard with a desire to apply redpill awareness to pass on their genetic lineage and be the MAN in the marriage. A fresh break from the litany of AWALTs and "Don't get married".

kitedancing · 2015-11-05T15:12:34+00:00

Like the general idea but seems unfeasible.

Low n-counts, in this day and age in the US, usually go with her being unattractive.

Highly educated people are also more likely to value their careers and other non-kid stuff.

Trying to find a woman in the US at the intersection of these 4 attributes (attractive, low n, highly educated, values kids over career)? Good luck

truthuncensored · 2015-11-05T14:43:48+00:00

So are we now saying RP end game is marriage? This is wrong.

Avoid having your woman be a SAHM?

What if your "career woman" who affords you a two income lifestyle decides she wants to stay at home when the kids come? You're fucked. If you're married, now she starts invisibly accumulating 50% of every dollar you make. The more successful you are, the more she "earns". The more she earns, the more incentive to cash out (divorce you). Not good.

The system where she earns your money happens even if she is A SAHM from the get-go, but you won't have a two income lifestyle to rein in.

I would advise cohabitation. Have kids. Stay together. For ev er. Say you're married. Act married. Treat her like your wife (whatever that means). But for god sakes don't get married. There's no reason to and every reason not.

RawPoseidon · 2015-11-05T18:01:54+00:00

I don't know why this post was deleted, but I enjoyed it, and now I'm pissed that it's gone because it was going to go in my favorites. I have lost frame. :P

Dustin_Bromain · 2015-11-05T08:16:06+00:00

So this is endgame huh? Interesting.

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CowardlyPetrov · 2015-11-05T07:30:17+00:00

The idea that many or most of the women who rack up n-counts do so against any sort of idea or narrative that this is problematic I believe to be false. Many women know it can be a troublesome discussion, but I don't believe they think they're lowering their value in the market place. I would also argue that there really is no practical lowering of value in the market place, in terms of strictly sexual dynamics. Though there is a penalty for commitment dynamics. So it is not surprising that less men are committing, despite more sex. There is nothing to gain by being confrontational here. If they have a high n-count, just move on, use them for sex, whatever. They don't believe it's an issue, and there's no reason to care because there's plenty of blue meat out there for them. Just realize they'll feed you to the meat grinder, so they're for play only!

My problem with this is that they do care which is why most of them lie about it.

Spinning plates for liiiifffeee boyyyyy! The idea that spinning plates for a lifetime is "alpha" I find preposterous and blue pill as fuck. No matter how you look at it, this demonstrates one of two things. Either risk adverseness, which is beta city (you should be risk tolerant) or an inability to separate your conceptual life from actual, blood pumping, real life. Casual sex is a stop gap to a relationship, which is a bridge to a family which is your end goal. If your goal is to end your genetic lineage, you are a failure at life ultimately. Your family fucked its way through war and famine so you can sit on your computer and play vidya games and talk about how you're "never gonna get married because women are bitches." No they aren't, dig into your nuts faggot.

I'm right there with you, man. I am the descendant of 80,000 years of winners.

Any woman who is unable to obtain an education at your level or higher with a job market value equal or higher than you. (Substantial risk to family long term stability and divorce proceedings)

Did you mean any woman who -is able-?

You don't want kids? You know what, no one wants kids when they're 20. Do yourself a favor, don't scoff at this and READ THIS SHIT. The old men that are telling you that "you're going to get married and have kids" are right. What's changed since then is the quality of women has gone down, substantially. So you're going to need to be pickier about that. The upside to this problem is, they're giving away pussy now boys. But if you just marry the first girl that doesn't run away when you ask her, and don't pick the right one, you can almost certainly count on your kids calling someone else dad. FUCK THAT. That isn't a set back, that is the end of your life, you fail.

Wanting kids is natural. It takes huge amounts of brainwashing to beat it out of people. I wish I already had kids. And I intend to have 10-11 kids like my grandparents. 1-3 kids is no kids. A compromise would be like 5. Anyway, your advice is good.

Edit: I am confused about one part. You want her to have a job? Are you poor? Or is this to keep her occupied? Or what?

sorceryofthetesticle · 2015-11-05T08:43:29+00:00

This makes me want to give up.

americanmook · 2015-11-05T05:48:48+00:00

I think it's kinda bullshit how you tried to shame the ones who don't want to have kids or get married. Maybe my life goal is to have as much fun as possible and not raise some snot nosed ungrateful kid who just sucks my fun.

Cloughtower · 2015-11-05T07:03:16+00:00

Happy to see this. So often our rhetoric turns to thinking marriage is a losing proposition, which many here have made strong argument for. I, for one, hope I can find that woman whom I can start a family with one day.

It isn't a losing proposition if you understand the risks going in and know what to look for. You laid those out wonderfully.

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2015-11-05T08:04:10+00:00

Curious why you seem to be dogmatically against stay at home mothers? I'm not really pro or anti on that, but I noticed you were definitively against it. How come?

rockumsockumrobots · 2015-11-05T08:39:04+00:00

Awesome post! Saved.

Marriage and kids that I raise on my own terms is what I'm after.

The only part I have a problem with is:

If she quits her job to stay at home with the kids, you file for divorce.

If I choose to homeschool my kids, which is an option I've strongly considered, would it fuck with the dynamic if I made my wife's full time job raising the kids?

Obviously, any boys I will spend more time with teaching them how to be men, but I would rather the wife be raising the kids instead of working.

Thanks in advance.

thechariot83 · 2015-11-05T08:43:48+00:00

Agree with everything you wrote except 2 things:

Stay at home mom's can be a great thing. I have a 3 month old and if I could afford for my LTR to quit work and stay at home with the baby, I would in a heartbeat. I make about 44K. To do this I would need like 60K.
Kids and a tight knit family should be the end game, but I don't know about marriage. I see that as optional and that's mainly because of the paperwork and the way a woman can fuck you over. I personally don't think I'll ever be married. I would do the wedding vows and the reception. Let my girl wear her wedding gown and feel like an angel, but I'll never sign that piece of paper. No way.

rave_n · 2015-11-05T10:39:06+00:00

How is this supposed to work if your smv is barely high enough to score average plates?(no troll, I am really looking for advice)

badpadding · 2015-11-05T13:51:08+00:00

Very interesting thread.

My question about this strategy is: Is it worth it to actually sleep around and plate girls, while hunting for the unicorn?

I mean, spinning plates and finding new girls take ressources/energy. The good thing though is that you can improve your game, and cultivate a real abundance mentality.

On the other side, if you stay celibate, you save so much ressources/energy, that you can channel into your own self improvement, which will enhance your probability to attract the unicorn.

For example, tonight I can go out with a friend, drink a bit, and I'm pretty sure I'll end up sleeping with one of the 2 girls in the group. But I know this girl is not marriage material (tatoos, slutty ways), so should I just do it to step my game up? Or stay home and work out, play my instrument, without sipping alcohol?

Ronin11A · 2015-11-05T14:11:33+00:00

Many women know it can be a troublesome discussion, but I don't believe they think they're lowering their value in the market place.

They know it. Instinctively. They just think it's unfair and try their hardest to shame you into letting them get away with it. Ultimately, every woman is after a ring and kids, and every cock she takes before the last one diminishes her value to potential husbands.

diomedes777 · 2015-11-05T14:24:48+00:00

this is fucking beautiful. thank you so much for this.

bl33dingr3d · 2015-11-05T14:32:48+00:00

This is a great post because it is controversial. I've always dreamed about raising sons to be masculine beacons in a world of emasculated betas, but after getting burned in one marriage to say I'm reluctant to get married again is an understatement.

Can you elaborate on this point? :

Adopted children are a constructed family, operating as a divorced family is a "broken family" even when done at its absolute best.

I don't understand it (and am curious because I am adopted and had another adopted sibling but an awesome family life/childhood)

CrustsRemoved · 2015-11-05T14:51:43+00:00

From your experience/ old guy wisdom, what is the down side in cheating the system and having children with a women who you've cohabited with long term?

Seems to me the perfect situation would be that my theoretical "baby mama" lives in my house and if she gets uppity she can try her luck out there on her own while she'll waits until the first child support payment.

Side note: before anyone says that I high quality women wouldn't stand for this, keep in mind that the linchpin of this post is the women submits to you. Why wouldn't she submit to this?

MrDruid · 2015-11-05T15:06:46+00:00

First off, great post. A lot of hard RP truths here. I have to ask, though - why do you say one's wife can't stop working to stay with the kids? In my opinion, that's the only way to do it.

If a woman values her career over her children, THAT's when you GTFO.

itripovermyownfeet · 2015-11-05T15:10:37+00:00

The vast majority of this applies with minor adjustments for every group mentioned in your notes who isn't deluded.

fundude12 · 2015-11-05T15:45:48+00:00

Good luck finding all those traits in a female to marry these days. The percentages of women that are characterized by this are less than 5% at best.

Ergo, the number of men being able to attain this will only be the top 5% at best.

Also, its like a game of musical chairs. Those women will be taken up very rapidly, so if you aren't lucky enough to have found one quickly, its game over for the dude looking for that.

Much easier said than done.

ComradeCynic · 2015-11-05T08:19:04+00:00

I appreciate this very much. And as a divorced no-kids (not by choice) guy in his 40s, I can say with authority to the young guys - THIS GUY knows what he is talking about! Listen to him.

Quarter_Century_Club · 2015-11-05T15:07:08+00:00

One of the best posts I've seen in my short time on RP. If only this wisdom could be shared with the masses of young men who have no fucking idea what they're getting into.

doctorlw · 2015-11-05T14:02:31+00:00

I happen to agree with what you said, especially as it relates to failing to have kids = failure at life. That is, quite simply, our entire purpose in life. If that evolutionary drive isn't present, then you are a genetic failure speaking in a strictly evolutionary sense. But that doesn't mean you are a failure in a life sense... people want what they want. Some people don't want kids or a wife and that is fine, they aren't a failure and that doesn't really make them any more or less red pill... as long as they are moving towards and accomplishing their own personal goals they are on the right path.

thewheelofza · 2015-11-05T14:27:09+00:00

Good write up. Thanks dude.

One quick question that maybe somebody can answer . . I've been incorporating many RP aspects into my life over the last two, with great success. Over the last year I've gone from spinning plates to moving into an LTR. Lately I've gotten the sense that the captain/first mate isn't sticking as much. At first I didn't worry as much about maintaining this dynamic as she was still a plate and possibly not worth the investment. She has let herself go a bit and has become more lazy in general. Should I look to overtly reassert the captain/first mate relationship? Should I cut ties due to the fact that I failed to establish this dynamic in the first place? Is this just a case of my value slipping slightly in her eyes therefore necessitating the need for a clean break and some time spent in monk mode?

redzorp · 2015-11-05T05:57:45+00:00

Oh for fuqs sake...

Here is OPs post again in more concise form:

Don't ever marry. Not Once. Not ever. Never.

Capiche?

For anyone on this sub who wants kids, hire a gestational surrogate and a nanny. Otherwise modern women are for plating only.

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