Men asked to leave feminist film festival panel discussion.

glassuser · 2012-12-04T17:39:50+00:00

Fighting for equality but only allowing a specific group the speak. Right...

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2012-12-04T17:58:15+00:00

In my view, what Long suggested completely derailed the night's debate. Not only was it offensive to assume the authority to change the dynamics of the space, but also deeply unfortunate to take the time and attention away from the artist and her film, and all the people involved. They deserved better.

Yes, there is a reason why it is deeply unsettling feeling that comes along with banning an entire group of people from a supposed gender-equal space, it is sexist. Does she not get that? Sexist. I could spell it out. S-E-X-I-S-T.

Jacksambuck · 2012-12-04T17:28:08+00:00

Unless there was some very misleading marketing going on about what sort of lesbian film this was, we can take it that the men they humiliated were feminist allies/auxiliaries. It's all very funny.

Another very funny and revealing quote was from somebody who was involved in a lesbian separatist commune: "You did it for a year or two, but you can't be an activist and separatist forever, you move back to your functioning toilet at home."

DerpaNerb · 2012-12-04T18:05:02+00:00

No single person owns a movement. The perfect outcome would've been for this Julia Long to be boo-ed off the stage and for everyone remaining in the audience.

IHaveALargePenis · 2012-12-04T18:17:34+00:00

"I agree with Bellos when she says women-only spaces are important. I agree with her when she says women can't hold men by the hand, that there's work to be done by men to redefine masculinity."

It would be awesome if feminists would allow for men-only spaces and stopped trying to redefine masculinity for us as something inherently violent and anti-social. Do as I shrilly demand not as I do, eh feminists?

carbonnanotube · 2012-12-04T19:13:48+00:00

" I agree with her when she says women can't hold men by the hand, that there's work to be done by men to redefine masculinity"

Great, so why do many people in their movement think that protesting talks on the matter are a good idea? Or having a men's centre is offensive?

2012-12-04T20:49:41+00:00

I say let them destroy themselves from the inside out. All she did was turn allies to potential enemies by showing her true colors as a sexist. It makes the "enlightenment" process so much faster when they do it for us. So, thanks, bigot lady. You've done gender equality a favor.

ibm2431 · 2012-12-04T21:05:31+00:00

While I know they already self-define as feminist, which says something about their personality, and that the demand only hurts the movement, I can't help but to feel angry that all the men there just took it and left after they paid to attend just because some woman with self-proclaimed authority told them to. I know the typical male feminist tends to be a bit lacking in the backbone department, but come on, this was pretty egregious sexism that they simply accepted before slinking off.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2012-12-04T21:22:14+00:00

Good.

Idiotic moves like this are only going to drive male supporters away from that radical anti-male movement.

They are masters at shooting themselves in the foot.

And since most women don't hate men they will see the overt hatred over there and see no pressing need to join said movement.

SteelCrossx · 2012-12-04T20:24:32+00:00

I agree with Bellos when she says women-only spaces are important. I agree with her when she says women can't hold men by the hand, that there's work to be done by men to redefine masculinity. I agree that it's not obvious what role feminist men can assume within the movement without derailing it and taking power away from women. However, patriarchy hurts men too – something that does not erase the damage it does to women, but underlines how important it is to reject bankrupt binaries when they are damaging. .

I have a very serious problem with the idea that the mere presence of men is derailing or power grabby. Also with the idea that the patriarchy hurts men, it hurts women, but they're somehow different? That men being hurt by patriarchy doesn't matter because men happen to also be The Patriarchy. If I'm brunette and I'm robbed by a brunette... does that fucking matter? At all? In literally any way? It's a non sequitur.

DavidByron · 2012-12-04T18:14:15+00:00

Even the women who objected characterized male feminists as mere "allies" and "there to learn". Must be like being a black member of the KKK.

actanonverba8 · 2012-12-04T22:52:44+00:00

In fairness to them, they only need one man for the Burning Man ritual.

elmariachi304 · 2012-12-04T23:42:44+00:00

What a child, woulda saved me the trouble walking out on that tripe.

McFeely_Smackup · 2012-12-04T21:24:51+00:00

Shocking news, militant feminists behave in militant feminist fashion.

Grubnar · 2012-12-04T22:05:07+00:00

Lesbian separatist communities in North America in the 1980s.

I wonder if any of these communities have lasted til today. Is it even possible for them to do so?

Crimson_D82 · 2012-12-05T01:42:23+00:00

I would have demanded that she explain what gives her the right and if it wasn't a good one I would have refused to leave. If she and her followers wanted to get pushy I would have called the police. Had I paid money I would get it back.

rebuildingMyself · 2012-12-05T05:32:07+00:00

Fine. Give us the right to boot you out of any discussion lead by men. What? That's sexist? You need diversity for better input? What about the wimminz?

Bobsutan · 2012-12-05T05:52:16+00:00

I wonder what would happen if they asked the men to leave and they just said collectively, "no". There's nothing they could do about in a public space like that.

AnnArchist · 2012-12-04T17:47:03+00:00

Level of bravery by those women: so.

opsidenta · 2012-12-04T19:19:24+00:00

Yeah I think anyone would agree that was a pretty effed up thing to ask. All the feminists I've known have been very inclusive of anyone who was willing to be respectful of other humans; the woman in the article who asked men to leave sounds like a jackass.

roland3337 · 2012-12-05T03:13:31+00:00

"I agree with Bellos when she says women-only spaces are important." And how do women respond when men want their own space? They wet their pants and cry Misogyny!" of course.

"I agree with her when she says women can't hold men by the hand, that there's work to be done by men to redefine masculinity." Anytime a woman tells me what she thinks a a man 'should' be, I assume that someone is trying to manipulate me to fit their own purposes.

"I agree that it's not obvious what role feminist men can assume within the movement without derailing it and taking power away from women." Well, boot licking sure don't help.

"However, patriarchy hurts men too..." Oh FFS. Standard feminist boiler plate with the idiotic implication that even MORE feminism will somehow help men.

Sasha_ · 2012-12-06T17:37:52+00:00

"Sorry, what? You mean this isn't SKYFALL? Christ I'm in the wrong screen..."

Title	Men asked to leave feminist film festival panel discussion.
Author	ZimbaZumba
Upvotes	181
Comments	86
Date	December 4, 2012 4:47 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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