A much more accurate rape analogy

gringo1980 · 2011-09-19T17:17:14+00:00

this is interesting, but no one who doesn't already agree with you will be able to get past this part

Man: I would like to report a mugging. I was drunk running around the street flashing my money around and someone stole it, by which I mean I gave it to them, and later regretted it. What sort of world is this where a man can't even run around drunk flashing all of his cash and become a victim of unwanted attention?

while a few women really do use rape accusations to deal with post-coital regret, it doesn't help anyone to promote the she-was-asking-for-it-so-it-isn't-really-rape mentality. i realize you aren't explicitly saying that women who "dress slutty" subsequently "deserve it," but you seem to promote that attitude.

ignatiusloyola · 2011-09-19T18:58:18+00:00

Each alleged rape incident is going to be different and personal. And alleged victims generally tell the story from a perspective that is sympathetic to their views. And alleged perpetrators generally tell the story from a perspective that is sympathetic to their views.

It is very difficult to generalize rape situations in the form of an analogy. Some situations certainly seem to end up how you describe, and some end up differently. The selection of situations that MRAs tend to focus on are similar to how you describe, and the selection of situations that Feminists tend to focus on are different - surprise, surprise, the selections reinforce the beliefs of each group.

spagma · 2011-09-19T17:40:56+00:00

You forgot to end it with the officer saying "word", it really brings the piece together.

lati0s- · 2011-09-19T20:13:58+00:00

I don't like this analogy, I agree with some of the points that you make but the execution is too heavy handed and easily misinterpret-able. The way this reads makes it seem as though you believe that rape is not a real problem and that it is only women who regret sex. This is not true, while there may be some women that lie because of their regret, there are also a lot of real victims. There is trouble caused by the fact that it is difficult to tell the difference between legitimate victims and false accusers. If you are too skeptical of the claims of actual victims they may feel that you are blaming them for being assaulted which could cause emotional distress, conversely if you are too unskeptical of their claims the system becomes vulnerable to liars. Currently I think that there are problems in both directions. Sometimes real victims are caused serious distress by feelings of not being believed and/or being blamed. Alternately there are also cases where the media jumps on allegations and drags someone through the mud, when the are actually innocent.

Kuonji · 2011-09-19T21:20:12+00:00

Over the top, but some salient points are buried within.

Celda · 2011-09-19T17:09:06+00:00

This is quite exaggerated and in some places untrue, however this is sort of in the right idea - that rape analogy is full of shit.

rantgrrl · 2011-09-19T21:59:17+00:00

Here's an analogy:

Man: I'd like to report a mugging. I was walking home late with a friend drunk one night and she held completely betrayed me. She punched me in the face and yanked my wallet.

Officer: Well, you were drunk and walking home with her correct?

Man: Well yes but..

Officer: What were you doing walking home so late drunk with this girl?

Man: well she offered to walk me home..

Officer: That outfit of yours looks a bit too expensive, you look rich. Do you always walk around like this in bad neighborhoods?

Man: Well.. I..

Officer: How often and to how many women do you give your money to?

Man: I don't know.. A few?

Officer: Hmm... Judging stare We'll have to take some samples from you but unless she left a mark it's going to be very hard to prove this wasn't consensual gift giving.

NiceGuysSTFU · 2011-09-19T17:38:49+00:00

This is terrible, dude.

2011-09-20T17:53:27+00:00

i dont agree with a 'she was aksing for it' mentality, she can dress however she wants. but if she was drunk and gave consent, its her fault for being drunk and stupid. and since rape can be on a man, if the man is drunk too then definitely nobody should be charged

rantgrrl · 2011-09-19T20:54:25+00:00

Let's improve it:

The curtain lifts on a society with stringent anti-whore laws and a huge anti-whore bias.

Man: I would like to report a whore. I was drunk last week and woke up with six hundred dollars missing in my wallet. I saw a stranger counting six hundred dollars in my living room. She says I bought some ugly piece of furniture off of her, but I was drunk and don't remember. I think she took it from me in exchange for a sex act. I would never have consented to having sex with a whore sober.

Officer: You are very brave for coming forward. If you were drunk and driving, we'd still hold you accountable for your choices. But this, for some arbitrary reason, is different. What horrible whore could have done this to you?

Man: Her name is Jane Doe.

Officer: Well, we will go to her place of employment and very loudly announce that she is under arrest for being a whore. She will probably lose his job just due to the accusation. If she is well known, even though she has not yet been tried, we will plaster her face over all newspapers and news channels. Luckily our society is one which no longer believes that whores are "innocent until proven guilty" hogwash, we now have a "let's hang the whore just to be safe" approach to crime. She will probably receive death threats, abuse from strangers in public, and may even be forced to move over this allegation. No one likes a whore in their neighborhood.

Man: Wow, that is great for revenge. What about the trial?

Office: By law, all the evidence we need to charge her is your testimony. In terms of conviction, it may take more. Can you weep silently into your kerchief while clutching a string of pearls to your chest?

Man: You bet.

Officer: If she's convicted she may spend as much as 25 years in prison, and will be the brunt of abuse of other inmates. Inmates don't like whores either; or, maybe you could say they like whores a bit too much. Haha! See, that's a joke about prison rape. It's funny because it's about women raping women.

Man: Sure is!

Officer: Most likely however, the 25 year sentence will scare her enough that she will plead out. She will be in prison for 10-15 years, then when she get out and be on a public registry. If she has children he may never see them again. She will forever be ridiculed by the public and in a sense be a pariah.

Man: And if after she has spent 7 years in prison, you find out I that I actually consented and just wanted the money back?

Officer: We will sentence you to a year probation. Maybe a 500$ fine. We will try to keep it quiet, otherwise other whore victims may not come forward. She may or may not be released. It helps us if she's not because now our D.A. and police department can run around and show everyone that we're doing a great job getting another violent whore off of the street. It's win win for everyone, and if she complains about how her life is ruined, she should just whore up and get over it.

Man: And what happens if I want to report another whore after you find out I have been lying?

Officer: Thanks to whore shield laws, it can be thrown out as inadmissible, in some states, with the right judge, you can end up putting as many women in prison as you like.

Man: Wow, there's almost no downside. Aren't you guys afraid of false whore accusations?

Officer: In the face of the whore epidemic? We're willing to suspend due process to see justice done. More whores in jail means men's money is safer. And that's what's really important. Don't forget your pearls!

2011-09-19T18:05:19+00:00

lmaaaaao

treybuchet · 2011-09-19T20:10:38+00:00

Here's the thing:

You don't really understand what is actually a thing here.

Rape investigations are a pain to do and hardly ever pan out, purely because of the lack of evidence.
The issue with the news is less a rape issue and more a general issue. Hell, look at Casey Anthony. It was publicized, and nobody believed she didn't do it, despite her getting off innocent.
The whole exchange about drunk driving and drunk sex/giving away money is quite flawed. Drunk Driving you do yourself. You go, and you crash into something. You could have hurt someone else, who knows. With drunken sex/rape, or giving away money, you have someone else taking advantage of you because you are drunk and therefore doing things you might not do normally.

selfishliberal · 2011-09-19T23:12:38+00:00

You make it sound like you assume that all women lie about being raped. While you argue that no men should be falsely accused of rape, you seem to be falsely accusing all women of lying about rape. I don't see how that is helpful.

2011-09-19T20:17:36+00:00

It would totally not be a scandal if a well known person was arrested for mugging. The person would definitely not lose their job either.

Mimsy999 · 2011-09-21T05:53:31+00:00

A much more accurate false rape accusation analogy.

FTFY.

Janya7879 · 2011-10-05T15:04:06+00:00

InfinitelyThirsting 12 points 15 days ago

Also true. But demeaning a story about rape victims isn't a good way to make a point about false accusation.

I couldn't agree more!!

Gringo. How was the original analogy accurate in the 60s and 70s, whereas now it needs to updating?? Although the attitude towards rape victims may have improved to a degree in the past 40 years we still live in a society where 75-95% of rapes are never reported to the police (HMCPS & HMIC, 2007) and of those that are only 1 in 20 result in a conviction (OCJR, 2006).

Whilst I fully agree that to cry rape if you regret consensual sex is disgraceful behaviour I do not believe that 19 in 20 woman are choosing to put themselves through such an upsetting and humiliating ordeal to ‘get at’ someone (and the other 1 in 20 managed to see through their vendetta).

The original analogy was a lesson in what some woman are put through (75-95% of cases going unreported for some reason or other). To plagiarise this they way you have does not make the point that ‘crying rape is wrong’ but instead undermines the original analogy as, according to you, >quote ‘thought that while it may have been accurate in the 60s and 70s, we needed to update it for today's standards’< it is no longer applicable.

If you have a point to make about people using false rape allegations as a form of attack then fine, I am sure most will agree with you. To suggest that ‘today’s standard’ is a society where rape is such an easy charge to bring that not only are all the real victims successfully being given justice without any kind of stigma, judgement or ordeal but also it is now the weapon of choice if you consensually had sex with someone and then regretted it is absurd. It is idiots like you that cause the kind of neanderthalic attitude portrayed in the original analogy!

Purp · 2011-09-19T20:33:46+00:00

Is there a subreddit similar to this with some, um, intelligent discourse?

Azuraith · 2011-09-19T16:53:56+00:00

super troll post is a super troll.

Infininja · 2011-09-20T06:24:16+00:00

I'll say the same thing I'm getting downvoted for in another thread about this:

Why is this police officer giving a robbery victim a lesson about rape?

The original analogy falls apart at the end. However, yours falls apart at the beginning, as maybewellseeabird pointed out.

A much more accurate rape analogy

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2 - i totally agree that it's absurdly wrong that people accused of crimes such as this should be protected until they're found guilty, it's absurd that they aren't.

Title	A much more accurate rape analogy
Author	gringo1980
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Comments	134
Date	September 19, 2011 4:41 PM UTC (14 years ago)
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