"It is awful" to prosecute a 15-year-old girl who told a rape lie that got a boy arrested, says women's rights advocate

Quantos · 2011-01-25T21:46:28+00:00

Well let's see.

Raping someone: you're destroying a life.
Falsely accusing someone of rape: you're destroying a life.

I say, same sentence, same consequences. Claiming that these two crimes are in any way different is out of the question. Yes, the actual crime in the eyes of the law for someone who falsely accused is misleading the court, but it is actually destroying the life of the falsely accused, especially if the lie isn't uncovered.

Maybe they should even list people who falsely accuse of rape in a data-base, and tell everyone who ever comes in contact with that person that they will not hesitate to produce life destroying lies.

RabidBadger · 2011-01-25T23:30:59+00:00

I think a rape trial should be a two way street, if you are accusing someone of rape it should be stated that if they determine you intentionally lied, you can face consequences also.

Obviously we do not want to deter someone from accusing a rapist in the cases where it actually happened, but also we want to make sure we aren't putting innocent people behind bars. Youth need to know that they can and WILL be put behind bars for intentionally trying to ruin someones life through false rape claims.

Dbagg · 2011-01-25T20:37:27+00:00

I wish there were a way to have more severe laws for those who falsely accuse someone of rape. It’s a mark that never goes away even after someone is proven innocent. In my time in the military I lost count of the females who had a problem with one of their superiors and cried sexual harassment or worse all the way to JAG. There are serious cases that need to be handled but there also need to be repercussions for women who cry wolf knowing the man will be considered guilty until proven innocent.

omgwtfbbq2 · 2011-01-26T00:18:25+00:00

"It is lawful" to prosecute a 15-year-old girl who told a rape lie that got a boy arrested, says women's rights advocate

FTFY

AndrewBuchanan · 2011-01-26T02:31:44+00:00

Ok, this is coming from someone who had the same thing happen to him. The kid in the article linked was 16 years old. But I was - maybe - eight, nine or ten. Can't remember the exact year. Perhaps the memory has been repressed somewhat, because it has been hazy. Sometimes I wonder whether it really happened or not, whether it was a dream, I can't say for absolute certainty. You only realise the significance of it much later on.....anyways:

I live about 1.5-2km from school. At the end of the day, I was walking home, just by my normal route. There was a girl who happened to be walking in front of me. She was talking the same route i was. Except I was walking home, not following her. Mind you, the road is straight, you make a dog leg deviation and continue straight, so it's not like she was running a maze or something and I was following her. Btw she was a new girl - i had never seen her before.

About 500m away from home she turns around, and comes up to me and says, "Stop following me you rapist!" ---> This bit happened, I remember it quite clearly. It was real. And then she walked off. I was like "what the hell was she on about?". But still, when someone accuses you of that, it is quite scary. You get that sick feeling in your gut. UGH - i hate that feeling.

Did i know what rape was at that age? I had a sneaking suspicion of what it was. Either way, I knew it was a very very bad thing, and I knew I was not one. So I go home and don't think nothing of it.

A couple of days later, as I was being counseled at school - I had to see a counselor every month or so (not quite sure why) - a big burly bald headed police officer walked in. And he said, "Andrew, did you rape this girl?"

I felt that same sickening feeling in my gut. I knew I hadn't done nothing wrong, and although I knew what "rape" was, I pretended like I didn't. I asked him: "what's a rape?"

And then the officer realised that I didn't know nothing about nothing. But I suppose he needed to investigate those fantastical claims. As an adult now, I am quite angry that the police and the school, confronted me in such a manner.

Anyways, that was that. I never saw the girl again in my life, and I never thought about it again in my life. That's why the meeting with that burly cop was so hazy in my mind. But I can see him clearly. And i can see his reaction. I was sitting, and I can feel my reaction. But I can't say with confidence that meeting happened. But the confrontation with that silly girl definitely happened for sure. She was probably expelled or something. This makes me think that the meeting with the cop must have been real. Why would someone come to school for one day and then leave the next? I never told my parents what happened. My mother would have lynched the principal and the cop for confronting me like that.

Anyways, that girl needed help. I hope she got it. She probably needed a good grounding after that incident.

As for the 15 year old girl who made those false claims - she needs to be punished. Even though my case was innocuous and I was obviously innocent, it's not a pretty feeling to be accused like that and confronted by a cop, much less get arrested.

TL;DR - Girl accused me of rape; police confronted me; I was obviously innocent

EDIT: She said "stop STALKING me you rapist". Yeah, that was what she said.

lucasj · 2011-01-25T23:41:39+00:00

False rape accusations are really awful and should in no way be tolerated. I am, however, curious as to exactly what her argument is. There is pretty much no context given to the quote at all - it's not clear if she is disputing the facts of the case or criticizing the idea of prosecuting false rape accusers period. Does anyone have the original source of the quote or know where it came from?

47toolate · 2011-01-26T01:36:32+00:00

I think both sides should remain anonymous in a rape case until It is settled.That way things like this would not make any headway.This being said, the case is in England and I doubt she will go to jail.

jakersbossman · 2011-01-26T04:18:14+00:00

Society needs to take a lesson on the Duke lacrosse team. Those 3 or 4 guys who were accused of it were immediately written off as guilty. When it finally comes to light that the bitch was lying, their lives had already been ruined and their names slandered.

the_assman · 2011-01-25T21:41:07+00:00

Feminism: We want equality, but none of the responsibilities that come with it.

RedMercury · 2011-01-26T01:27:31+00:00

The double standard exists because certain woman Can't Understand Normal Thinking.

noMoniclesOrTopHat · 2011-01-26T02:09:19+00:00

No it's not. The girl had it coming.

LWRellim · 2011-01-26T07:22:25+00:00

Original Guardian Story.

A girl who claimed she was raped when she was a 15-year-old virgin was today convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice by making a false allegation.

The girl told police that a 14-year-old boy had raped her in his bedroom and she had been "too scared" to cry out to her friends.

But after a three-day trial at a youth court in Cheltenham, a district judge decided the girl had had consensual sex with the boy and had lied to police and the court. The girl, who cannot be named for legal reasons, will be sentenced next month.

[...]

But the prosecution said the girl's account of the alleged rape was "riddled with lies". Julian Kesner, prosecuting, said she [the girl] had changed her story, at first saying just the two of them were in the bedroom but later admitting that two other friends were also there.

So, far from being "younger", the girl was in fact actually a full year (and possibly more) OLDER than the boy. Hmmm...

RedditRage · 2011-01-25T22:28:01+00:00

I honestly would rather be the victim of rape, than be falsely accused of being a rapist.

hnautiyal · 2011-01-25T23:02:59+00:00

Why don't the advocates realize that false accusations also increase the amount of suspicion/scrutiny with which subsequent accusations are treated.

Crying "wolf" was worst for the boy who cried it.

ShuttleXpC · 2011-01-26T02:22:18+00:00

Women like her, yes I am encompassing her inside a bubble of fucking idiots who think reporting false rapes should go unpunished are absolutely fucking insane.

She makes it sound as if any woman reporting an actual crime has place to worry. If something actually happens to you, you have no reason to fear for these types of charges. She also makes it seems like women have reason to fear reporting...little does she know, women who make false claims (her included for making women fearful over NOTHING) are playing a part in the reasoning behind women being afraid of reporting these crimes.

Anyone have her email on hand? I checked her profile page and to the OP article...yeah, you have no fear of this woman ever having children. She has proven she is not only butt ugly on the outside, but inside as well with her fear mongering, man hating personality.

2011-01-26T03:01:35+00:00

Wow, what a niche website.

T3KNiQU3 · 2011-01-26T04:02:09+00:00

Those falsely accused of rape are, in my opinion, rape victims as well. The media will happily show off the accused rapist. We know it's done for the obvious legal reasons but it's also done to humiliate them. The opposite is not done when someone has been proven to be falsely accused of raping someone. So essentially they are raped of their friends, job, pride and so on.

AnnArchist · 2011-01-25T21:47:28+00:00

You would think Christians would support men on this, the whole "Thou shall not bear false witness" thing is pretty big in their religion.

cb98678 · 2011-01-25T23:50:26+00:00

to Echo Quantos, Falsely accusing someone of rape should carry the same charge as if you raped someone!

2011-01-26T03:24:35+00:00

"No it is not, fuck off" says mens rights advocate.

GoatBased · 2011-01-26T04:19:53+00:00

I definitely think she should be prosecuted. However, charging her with this false rape does scare me in general. If a girl wasn't raped, but says she was, she may back out of the accusation midway through if she knows she won't be charged. If she knows she'll be charged and likely found guilty of a false rape claim, maybe she'll continue with her accusation and end up putting an innocent man in jail.

InvalidConfirmation · 2011-01-26T04:26:14+00:00

Way to think on your toes whatever group this is that makes womens rights look like a joke. Did this person previously work for PETA?

2011-01-26T04:26:50+00:00

warren farrel on false rape claims (skip to halfway point)

willanthony · 2011-01-26T04:30:49+00:00

yea, what about men's rights?

2011-01-26T04:39:52+00:00

It's awful that some people are so zealous in their 'causes' that they can see just one side of a problem and completely ignore all other aspects of that problem. Never mind that an innocent boy was traumatized with a false arrest leading to false imprisonment, that poor little girl just told a little lie so let's shake our finger at her and say tsk tsk.

chonnes · 2011-01-26T05:58:53+00:00

"It is LAWFUL" . . . FTFY

beaverbuck · 2011-01-26T13:32:47+00:00

This type of thing is happening more and more. She should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law so that women will think twice before ruining the life of an innocent man.

mentaldemise · 2011-01-26T00:39:34+00:00

She should get charged with rape imo

abstractism · 2011-01-25T22:26:10+00:00

I like the part where women's rights come at the expense of reason, logic, and the rights of everyone who isn't female.

swimmingmonkey · 2011-01-25T23:29:11+00:00

No, what's sick is that someone life was ruined by a stupid lie. The girl should be persecuted somehow. I am ashamed to be of the same gender.

DankJemo · 2011-01-25T21:53:19+00:00

just like it's awful that men are put in jail on false rape allegations. It works both ways, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If women want equal rights they get equal responsibility for their actions.

Sure the girl is young, only 15, but she had to realize that saying a boy raped her when he really didn't was wrong. If you're able to play the system like that you're able to be tried as an adult for being caught for your crimes.

2011-01-25T22:12:52+00:00

The white woman cares only about the suffering of the white woman.

Flessen0 · 2011-01-25T23:06:26+00:00

Stepping back and ignoring the fact that her argument is silly. Prosecuting Rape Liars harshly may make other victims think twice about actually reporting rape. If they think they can't prove it or are scared of their rapists influence.

2011-01-25T23:55:59+00:00

Lisa Longstaff just hates her last name THAT MUCH

nanomagnetic · 2011-01-26T13:47:56+00:00

Why am I not surprised that the lot of you are eating right out of the hand of some propaganda, blogspam machine? You guys can't take the time to read the news?

notoriousbob · 2011-01-26T00:00:27+00:00

This is an issue of whether or not to prosecute a minor. Generally speaking, I agree with the advocate here. In fact, I bet most of you do too... you're just letting the fact that it is a false rape get you riled up.

thiagorossi · 2011-01-25T22:05:24+00:00

False rape accusations are almost as bad as the act of rape itself. It can and does destroy peoples lives, and the lives of those close to the victim of the false allegation. The difference is that a victim of false accusations can never move on. It is on their record for life.

dossier · 2011-01-25T23:45:33+00:00

I think of this like counterfeiting money. Back in the olden times if you were caught counterfeiting they'll lop off your head. Nowadays they just sentence you 5-20 years if it's serious. Punishments fit the crimes, and when you lie about something a MAN did, you should go away for it. heh

harbeas · 2011-01-26T00:10:11+00:00

Really?

EvoEpitaph · 2011-01-26T01:35:05+00:00

Once time is lost, it can never be regained. It is one of the most precious resources a human has a supply of. I really wish people would consider that more often in such situations.

Gatorade21 · 2011-01-26T02:14:13+00:00

They should get the exact penalty as the person who would have been convicted of rape. That brat should be thrown in jail and have the shit beat out of her like the boy would have been.

2011-01-26T02:56:49+00:00

Unbelievable. Stories like these tend to be all over the internet. I hope it overstates the occurrence of false-rape accusations.

Also, while that blog post was pretty good, did anyone find it slightly annoying how the author used the word "rape" in practically every sentence?

stahlgrau · 2011-01-26T03:03:01+00:00

She needs to pay for the misdeed and unfortunately, prosecuting her is the only way to do it. It is in no way is it "awful."

TiE23 · 2011-01-26T03:39:26+00:00

I liked the article. But had to stop and laugh when the feminist's name was "Ms. Longstaff".

BinaryShadow · 2011-01-26T03:42:03+00:00

Of course it is. The government is attempting to hold a girl responsible for her actions.

taco_tuesdays · 2011-01-26T03:48:00+00:00

The problem is, with an accusation of rape, there can be a lot of ambiguity towards the circumstances. In the article, the girl seems very confused about her experience. She claims that she said "no" to the boy, albiet quietly, and while she certainly didn't do as much as she could have, she may have felt she was taken advantage of despite not being "raped" by any legal definition; as a result, while I agree she should be punished, I don't believe it should be as severe as a rapist's sentence, as people at that age can be confused about their sexuality and not know how to act in adult situations.

That being said, accusing someone of rape is an EXTREMELY serious claim, and should be regarded as such. Even if a girl such as this feels violated, carrying out a trial is putting another potentially innocent person in life-ruining legal circumstances. By all means, the girl should have sought counseling, but to put all the blame on a boy who, according to her, may not have even realized she wasn't consenting to sex is irresponsible and shows a complete disregard for his rights, our legal system, and rape victims everywhere. By carrying out her claims in a court of law, she assumes full responsibility for those claims, and should absolutely be punished in some way for attempting to ruin another person's life just to save her own ass and get her own self-affirmation.

2011-01-26T03:58:47+00:00

She should be prosecuted even more. I have been in two instances in which the "police" (in quotes b/c they don't deserve the title) all but ignored what happened to me in one instance and to my friend in another instance. This girl and the "woman" she will grow up to be are the reason why.

Fuck that.

SedditorX · 2011-01-26T04:04:41+00:00

A crazed feminist named Longstaff. Ho ho ho

2011-01-26T04:24:16+00:00

As a man i feel wrongly accusing a man of rape should get the same time as rape. It makes me furious that some girls will lie when it comes to rape without realising the horrible effect it has.

MollyRocket · 2011-01-26T13:21:11+00:00

It's feminists like this that make the rest of us look insane. I promise that not all feminists are stupid and crazy.

zzing · 2011-01-26T13:26:30+00:00

Perhaps the consequences for the lie should be as grave as those she would have inflicted upon the victim.

mmca · 2011-01-25T22:40:55+00:00

Just when you think you've heard it all.. this pops up. Jesus.

DvesWeasel · 2011-01-26T00:02:24+00:00

obviously she's wrong because she is a woman! (not my opinion of all women just this one.)

WalkingFumble · 2011-01-25T21:41:11+00:00

That bitch is crazy!

rgskies · 2011-01-26T14:52:20+00:00

This reminds me of a story that I haven't thought about in 13 or 14 years...

When I was about 14 years old, maybe 13 I dated a horrible excuse of a human and still wish for her to stop breathing my precious air. My dad, grandfather, and a good friend of mine had all died within about a year so I was beyond depressed and felt completely alone. I met this girl that I thought was wonderful and amazing, we dated for about 4 or 5 months and talked every day. We never actually did anything more than watch movies or just hang out, honestly I don't think I was ready after all the things that had recently happened to become emotionally involved with someone or getting attached by sleeping with them. So, needless to say, we never did anything like that. One day her dad calls me and starts threating to call the police, file charges, etc. against me and "put me in jail so long that I will never see the sun again". I was beyond confused as to what the hell happened. I kept asking what happened, trying to figure things out and he finally tells me "I know you raped her mother fucker" I thought I was gonna die, I had no idea what the hell to think. My life was beyond completely destroyed for nothing. Things went on like this for awhile, I talked to the police, an atty. and kept telling them I couldn't begin to understand why she would say something like this. After about 2 weeks it all comes out, she slept with some guy and felt guilty about it, told her dad that she was raped and he assumed it was me, instead of her telling the truth it was just a lie she came up with to keep herself from feeling bad no matter who it hurt. Want to know what happened to her over this? Nothing, not a fucking thing. My life could have been completely destroyed in less than a fucking month and she gets away with saying whatever she wants. If I could, I would prosecute every person who claims to be raped to save themselves from feeling guilty about something, or to keep from getting into trouble.

TL/DR: Got accused of rape when I was a kid, truth came out, want her dead.

quizzle · 2011-01-26T00:22:36+00:00

Falsely accusing someone of murder comes with no punishment and is far worse. This, too happens all the damn time, but why does reddit only care if it's about rape?

We should rewrite every law to address this.

2011-01-26T02:56:24+00:00

this is faggotry of the highest caliber.

Atroacious · 2011-01-26T04:46:59+00:00

LOL her name is Lisa Longstaff.

deepseatrolling · 2011-01-26T14:22:08+00:00

i think is the man's responsibility to have witnesses during all sexual contact. in a pinch, video or audio can be used as evidence of non-raping. for all you Redditors who don't understand sarcasm, this is not a serious post.

2011-01-25T23:06:09+00:00

Fuck that girl. Let her go to prison so she could really get raped and learn from her mistake.

servohahn · 2011-01-25T22:15:52+00:00

It is awful. She should just automatically be sentenced to prison for the maximum amount of time the person accused of raping her could have been sentenced. No prosecution necessary.

2011-01-26T00:33:32+00:00

According to me it's awful to prosecute minors... too young to drink, smoke, but old enough for jail.

jobriq · 2011-01-26T01:39:39+00:00

If I was that boy, I'd rape the bitch for tellin lies about me.

AdamLovelace · 2011-01-26T00:13:50+00:00

Longstaff. I'm sorry, that's very distracting.

Title	"It is awful" to prosecute a 15-year-old girl who told a rape lie that got a boy arrested, says women's rights advocate
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	505
Comments	262
Date	January 25, 2011 8:23 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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