I don't understand this. Can someone explain it to me?

sorebum405 · 2022-01-26T13:38:09+00:00

It's the basically the concept of "benevolent sexism" were being chivalrous towards women and prioritizing their safety is consider sexism because you view them as the weaker sex.

The confusing thing is that when women are treated the same way men are treated,it's viewed as hostile sexism. So apparently when women get what they want, which is preferential treatment,it is still considered sexism against women, and women are actually the most affected. /s

EricAllonde · 2022-01-26T13:54:22+00:00

Feminists are the most privileged, and also the most self-centered, human beings who've ever lived. They literally cannot stand to hear a conversation about a person other than them. That's why they are compelled to immediately redirect every conversation to be about them, even if doing so requires some extreme mental gymnastics.

Since feminists are a group that subscribes to Victimhood Culture, their particular form of self-centeredness involves always making themselves the biggest, if not the only, victim in any situation. Sometimes this makes them sound utterly absurd.

E.g.:

Normal person: "During WW1, the Vietnam war and others, only men were drafted then forced to fight & die."

Feminist: "Yeah, but women were not ALLOWED to join the army if they wanted to! And that's much worse!"

Any time you bring up a men's issue, feminists will do the same thing: diminish & dismiss the issue you raised, then pick some objectively less serious women's issue and pretend it is the bigger problem. E.g.:

Normal person: "Men commit suicide at a rate 4 times higher than women do."

Feminist: "Yeah, but women ATTEMPT suicide more often! That's the real issue here!" [This claim is false, BTW.]

There's not much you can do about this. Feminists are not rational, their arguments are all based on emotion. No amount of facts or logic can get through to them.

If you find yourself in a debate with a feminist, remember that the objective is not to convince her you're correct. That's impossible, she's too deeply indoctrinated and isn't thinking rationally at all. Your objective is to discredit her and her feminist arguments in front of the audience who is watching. Over time that will erode public support for feminism and innoculate people against becoming feminists. And that's how we achieve gender equality.

Kindly-Town · 2022-01-26T11:22:32+00:00

The comment writes some but it's only addressing child custody.

Puscifer10 · 2022-01-26T17:43:23+00:00

The real reason women didn't go to war:

The physical to ensure you are able to handle being in a live firefight is fairly extreme. This is a test that women in the armed forces have failed to complete until recently. The requirements for the physical were lowered for women, as if the situation in a war zone will be somehow less intense for a woman.

In reality, women still aren't capable of passing the original test, due to physical differences in men and women's anatomy. This issue alone has caused massive debate and women claiming sexism forever.

To be honest with you all, I'm perfectly happy for this to be the case. We should be on the front lines, we should be in construction roles, we should be at risk. I don't even want a thank you from anyone, I don't want to be seen as superior because I can lift more without any practice, I just don't want to be attacked for it. The whole "women and children first" thing is natural. I would rather die than watch a woman or child die. Can they say the same about me?

TheStumblingWolf · 2022-01-26T13:08:45+00:00

There's nothing to understand. They're just empty statements with nothing to back them up.

PeaceMaker_6969 · 2022-01-26T16:03:06+00:00

I was watching a war documentary from the perspective of veterans, WW1 it was. A veteran says when he was 16, he couldnt join in as he was considered young, he was visited by a group of females who laughed at him, called him a wimp and gave him a white feather.

ABeeBox · 2022-01-26T16:27:20+00:00

They didn't elaborate any further.

SodyPops17 · 2022-01-26T16:30:39+00:00

Yes. What she has is called sociopathy. Quite an unfortunate affliction.

hehimCA · 2022-01-26T17:16:39+00:00

The answer is that young people have been brainwashed by feminism so that everything is men's fault, and women are always victims. Period. That's how they think.

DanteLivra · 2022-01-26T16:24:22+00:00

It's the classic "women are the primary victims of war" argument. Basically, the existence of discrimination towards women is the source of all discrimination and also the cause of every piece of civilization on the planet. Sexism towards women is everywhere and it permiates everything. Sounds a lot like a religion.

That being said, it's just mental gymnastics to justify the erasure of men's advocacy.

neovulcan · 2022-01-26T16:01:21+00:00

You start with the premise that its all sexist against women, and then use predictive text until you feel punctuation makes it look complete.

BinodBoppa · 2022-01-26T19:22:14+00:00

That's a whole lot of nothing.......

EzzyLight · 2022-01-27T12:00:10+00:00

This is feminist nonsense. Nothing to understand really. We pay too much time on things like that too often.

Abstract_Knight · 2022-01-26T16:54:15+00:00

Great, then make women go to draft and make children go for men most-
*gets cancelled.*

Rol9x · 2022-01-26T15:40:29+00:00

Nothing to explain, just another example of the brainwashing propaganda.

bonusfrylock · 2022-01-26T18:02:36+00:00

Same logic as critical race theory. Illogic.

Mythandros · 2022-01-26T18:38:46+00:00

Classic feminist mental gymnastics.

Take a problem and find a way to make it about women. Become the victim. Problem solved.

confused_cereal · 2022-01-26T18:47:57+00:00

As someone who lives in a country (Singapore) where I was made to serve in the military for 2 years, point (3) really irks me. Or rather, the utter apathy and indifference that females, often as a result of feminist brainwashing exhibit towards service.

I can totally understand being drafted. I can accept that men are physically more suited for the military, or for that matter, most uniformed services, and I can concede that at some level, the military simply needs a certain level of "warm bodies" to get the job done (every country has its own unique circumstances though). I also believe that forcing women into "non-combat" roles e.g., nursing etc just to maintain an image of "equality" is pretty dumb--- I do not want women who are uninterested and sulky to be taking care of my elderly parents or the disabled. In short, I am OK with this being an unequal playing field, if its for the greater good of society.

That said, I am flabbergasted at the degree which women today take mens' service for granted. Sure, we're not doing actual tours or participating in kinetic combat like in the US. Our training isn't as tough as a few generations back, where my dad was trained by the Israelis . Still, training is pretty dangerous, with long term injuries and death being not-too-uncommon. I know of friends who lost fingers. I myself still suffer from chronic back pain. And don't even get me started on the opportunity cost; my female peers were earning more than 10 times my military allowance as an intern, while I was (figuratively) chewing barbed wire outfield.

In spite of this, feminists and females who buy into their ideology have overtly opposed even discussing the issue of relooking compensation to men. Apparently, it's dangerous to even discuss revising compensation for servicepeople. In fact, the trend today is to consider serving not as a liability, but a form of discrimination for women! In some feminist circles, the military is seen as a government funded, male-exclusive group for career networking. What the heck? Anecdotally, I find this trend particularly pronounced amongst younger females. My parents' generation still acknowledge our sacrifices. Women in their late 20s and 30s are simply adept at mental gymnastics.

"I wold love to serve, but... I'm too weak". What was it about women being just as strong as men? Also, I was physically unfit as well, but was whacked into shape during basic training. It's not impossibly tough, it's just uncomfortable and time consuming, and you know it. Heres a funny one "I think women will bitch too much, hence we're unsuitable for service". W-H-A-T? And then theres the classic, "What about me giving birth? Thats service, no? Also, who's gonna take care of households?" Giving birth is not mandatory service, its a choice. And how you split chores and duties with your husband is a private matter between you and him. It's not like men don't do housework these days. And... the usual finale: "Men were the one who made those laws", its toxic masculinity's fault!

I've recently been probing sources from South Korea and Taiwan, both of which have mandatory male-only military service (though Taiwan has dramatically shortened theirs). Based on what I can see, the exact same arguments (and counter arguments) are going on there. In Taiwan, these feminists are known as 女權自助餐, i.e., feminist buffet, since they pick and choose parts of "equality" serves them well. I don't understand Korean, but english media outlets and my personal Korean friends tell me feminism is not popular there at all, and is shaping up to be a significant battleground in their upcoming election. In a warped sense, it feels good to find that we're not be alone in this.

LiquidDreamtime · 2022-01-26T16:11:59+00:00

Longer Sentences:

The courts respect men, they judge men harshly and view the actions of men as those of an individual who acts on his own accord. It’s unfair and it hurts men when extenuating circumstances are not often considered.

Similarly, the justice system system has little respect for women. It infantilizes them, and treats them as a product of society, NOT as respected individuals who act on their own accord. Women are viewed as weak of mind and action, viewed as lesser, and viewed as children that must be coddled and given soft lessons and second chances. It is sexism against women, it also happens to benefit them when it comes to sentencing.

Custody: Men are viewed as providers for women and children. It is our “purpose” in the sexist society we live in. Women are viewed as the weaker sex who cannot provide, but as better suited for domestic labor and child rearing. It’s sexist towards women, but it often benefits them regardless.

The draft: Women are weak. Men are strong. Men must protect us. It’s sexist, it hurts men, it directly benefits women but indirectly reinforces the notion of their weakness.

Suicide: For all the reasons mentioned above, men are less likely to receive the help and care they need in times of turmoil. This can cascade into a life that doesn’t seem worth living due to the pressures to provide, defend, and be held personally accountable for every action (and external forces upon us are often ignored or discarded, like abuse/schooling disadvantages/familial pressure/etc).

These are all reinforced by the patriarchy, they all hurt men, and the first three directly benefit women.

EnvironmentalWar4627 · 2022-01-26T11:40:49+00:00

Society has the conception that women are emotional, weak and best suited for child raising.

So they favour women in child custody hearings, don't make them fight in wars, don't think they can handle prison, and there are more mental health programs available.

Legitimate-Ad-6267 · 2022-01-26T20:13:22+00:00

God forbid penis wielders actually have some problems they didn't directly cause by oppressing non-penis wielders....

nevermock · 2022-01-26T21:47:18+00:00

I'm down with fixing these white patriarchal attitudes of giving women favorable treatment.

Normal-Yogurtcloset5 · 2022-01-26T22:10:53+00:00

These women want conditional feminism. When it comes to high-powered jobs they want gender parity but when it comes to fixing roofs in the summer, repairing clogged sewers, working on a sanitation truck, repairing a flat tire or being evacuated first from a sinking ship they don’t mind gender inequality. We need to start calling feminists’ bluff and, when they complain about the gender wage gap, tell them that there are plenty of good paying jobs available at the sanitation department and hand them a job application.

And, have you ever noticed that when a woman does do work with a street crew they’re very satisfied with just standing around holding a sign and directing traffic instead of doing the physical labor? There’s never a complaint about equity then.

idiotbusyfor40sec · 2022-01-27T00:15:35+00:00

There are actually some radfems who say single men shouldn’t be allowed to raise children at all because they might molest or abuse them

Effective-Walrus1157 · 2022-01-27T02:09:28+00:00

Men are given less social support because it's assumed and expected men can take care of themselves.

Women get custody more (although I've read data that suggests this isn't really true, most custody decisions are made by the parents, not in court) because women are seen as nurturers.

Men are given longer jail sentences because women are seen as less harmful than men.

The idea is that sexist assumptions about men and women hurt both men and women. Women are seen as weaker, which ends up helping them in some ways even as it hurts them.

Men are seen as stronger, which means they don't get the help they need and are automatically seen as predators by people and get drafted into war.

Shit sucks.

gabrielcoronel_ · 2022-01-27T03:09:03+00:00

One could rephraded the other way around "women's issues stem from sexist ideologies thag discriminate against men". What I hate the most about these people is that one can tell that they bring these things only to discredite men's issues and not to add anything meaningful to the conversation.

iainmf · 2022-01-27T06:27:55+00:00

If you can't view women as powerful, independent people, and only as passive objects that the world pushes around then everything looks like external forces acting on women.

Just like if you see a rock rolling down a mountain you must conclude that some external force acted on it, rather than it making itself roll down the mountain.

Edit: Viewing women as weaker, does not result in better treatment for women. It's only because we value women that the get better treatment. For example, if you have two hammers and one is weaker than the other, you'll throw out the weaker one because a weak hammer is not valuable. You might keep the hammer if it is valuable to you in some way. Like it belonged to your grandfather and has sentimental value.

Phantombiceps · 2022-01-27T06:47:33+00:00

I can explain it to you:

Back in the slavery days, racism against white people caused everyone to think that they were too weak to handle plantation work.

Especially that tiny minority of white people who were rich and actually owned plantations- they were so undervalued and discriminated against that people thought all they were capable of was sitting in the shade of mansions drinking fine brandy.

So this ended with bad results for black people, who were enslaved because of this anti white racism.

_scheme · 2022-01-27T19:42:44+00:00

"How can I make this about me?"

TendieDinner777 · 2022-01-27T23:40:58+00:00

I think she’s advocating not for shorter prison sentences for men, but longer sentences for women? Like the equality shouldn’t make men’s lives better, it should make women’s lives worse, because women are stronger than we give them credit for?

biff64gc · 2022-01-26T18:42:15+00:00

She's implying that women don't get drafted and get shorter sentences because they are viewed as too weak and fragile, which is a sexist view. So our sexist view of women leads us to be less harsh on them.

That's how you see things like a feminist. You take a fact and figure out how it's either a negative for women or being caused by sexism against women.

Men dying in combat? Women are treated as fragile and don't get to fight (sexism) or women are left as single mothers (hurts women).
Men dying on worksite? Women aren't allowed to do dangerous work (sexism) and women don't make as much/are left as single mothers again (hurts women).
Men not graduating college? Women get more scholarships because they are seen as not as smart (sexism). Also this means fewer good choices for partners for women (hurts women).
Men homeless? Women get more help because seen as weak and unable to care for themselves (sexism) and less support and resources spent on women that aren't homeless (hurts women)

It takes some mental gymnastics, but you can make it work for pretty much anything as long as you don't over analyze it. It's what happens when your worldview starts with conclusion before you know facts and can be applied to pretty much any ideology or conspiracy.

DutchOnionKnight · 2022-01-26T16:26:12+00:00

Yeah, but women were not ALLOWED to join the army if they wanted to! And that's much worse!"

So, they could join the army now. But there isn't a run by women.... why though...? Smh.

Capn_Nutt · 2022-01-27T01:03:30+00:00

It’s quite simple really.

Men made the system. Men portrayed women as less than. They werent allowed to have a bank acct, or own property among other things. Women have never been privileged. They’re favored in custody cases etc, but they’re not privileged. & mens sexism and misogyny directly correlate to their idea of manhood/manliness. Their comment is correct.

Men made me the system. Any “disadvantages” men have is due to other men. Not women.

Title	I don't understand this. Can someone explain it to me?
Author	KnowerJay
Upvotes	128
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Date	January 26, 2022 11:13 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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