Another feminist who believes in equal rights..

63daddy · 2022-05-28T20:33:55+00:00

Yet another hypocritical and nonsensical feminist article. No great surprise there.

She complains people watching the trial are making judgements before a verdict is rendered. Viewers are watching evidence by both sides presented fairly in a court of law. Of course viewers will form opinions based on such evidence. Forming an opinion based on evidence isn’t the same as actively trying to ruin her as the author claims, ironic given MeToo BelieveWomen are all about ruining someone, and those without evidence.

Whether Depp wins or loses, feminists want women to always be believed without evidence, and face no consequences for making unsupported claims. This case threatens to put a dent in that.

Coomergen · 2022-05-28T20:04:56+00:00

They’re really coping and seething. What I find funny is that they’re making it out like everyone supporting Depp is a bunch of drunken frat bros when the overwhelming majority of people I’ve seen defending Depp are actually women.

ultimate_smash · 2022-05-28T20:05:08+00:00

lol, some people don't get the troll, this post highlights how feminists are hell-bent on supporting amber, even after she actively promotes violence against men while being the abuser all the time. Someone reposted this on r/DeppDelusion, how does these subs even exist? lol

Edit: that isn't a repost but even so this is ridiculous, how feminists think it is the truth XD

MehowSri · 2022-05-28T23:56:15+00:00

The press on unsubstantiated #MeToo allegations (by women): Believe all women. Presumption of innocence? Never heard of it! Witch trials? These men deserve it!

The press when men fight back: Hurting #MeToo. No one will just believe women without evidence anymore and that's bad! Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? How dare men use the weapons of #MeToo (society) against women? As always, women are subject to witch trials. They have it so much worse than men!

sekametelisoppa · 2022-05-28T21:37:37+00:00

”Being wrongly accused of rape is astonishingly rare. In fact, it rarely ever happens. The majority of sexual assault is not reported most of the time. But the ongoing mythology around false accusations prevents a lot of survivors from getting justice. Innocent men rarely get accused of abuse, but the Depp case could give the public more reasons to believe the opposite.”

This was all I had to read thank you 😅

babno · 2022-05-29T02:00:37+00:00

Being wrongly accused of rape is astonishingly rare. In fact, it rarely ever happens. The majority of sexual assault is not reported most of the time.

Literally next to each other, right after the other. The double think is astounding.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-05-28T20:08:41+00:00

They say that false rape accusations are vanishingly rare and reference this:

Other studies have figures in the same range. The FBI has put the number of "unfounded" rapes - those determined to be false after investigation - at 8%.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684

kadivs · 2022-05-28T22:57:02+00:00

man MSNBC is cancer.. https://i.imgur.com/3UpYcYV.png
3 I can understand because of stupid regulations, 1 because of greed. but the rest? I hate websites like this

The_Great_Sarcasmo · 2022-05-29T00:42:43+00:00

"The trial’s reception is a symptom of a culture that still needs to be educated on the complicated realities of intimate partner violence."

The "complicated reality" in this case being that men are always in the wrong no matter what the evidence to the contrary is.

Practical-Rip6471 · 2022-05-29T00:43:24+00:00

This story is one big lament about "Why isn't the Pussy Pass working anymore?" Why can't I lie my tits off and destroy anybody I feel like. Why are you trying to hold me accountable for my actions you monster.

Suck-Less · 2022-05-29T01:30:35+00:00

And the ACLU still considers her a DV ambassador

You can’t make this shit up…

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/what-you-need-to-know-about-aclu-ambassadors-including-amber-heard

ImpeccableArchitect · 2022-05-29T02:46:41+00:00

Hahahaha 'believe all women'

vhisic · 2022-05-29T01:51:49+00:00

is it the 8 million people who support herd that are so out of touch

No its the 15 billion that support Johnny that are wrong.

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dungeonmonkey69 · 2022-05-29T02:45:43+00:00

Has anyone else noticed that all the articles defending her reallllly started ramping up as soon as she fired her old PR team and got a new one? I'm still convinced she's quietly being bankrolled by some serious money

ultimate_smash · 2022-05-29T04:01:14+00:00

Feminism is no longer about equality, assuming it ever actually was.

ElfmanLV · 2022-05-29T02:26:09+00:00

I hate agreeing with Donald Trump's takes but goddamn this is what he means by fake news. There's not a single mainstream media outlet out there that say Amber is the abuser. Let that sink in. How many things are true that mainstream media chooses to lie through omission about?

Motor_bird_cycle · 2022-05-29T10:17:07+00:00

If it’s terrible to make an opinion before the court decision, wouldn’t the ideology of believe all women also be just as terrible since you’ve made up who’s right and wrong before looking at any evidence?

OnePieceFanBoi1 · 2022-05-28T22:37:08+00:00

I actually looked up the media bias on this specific news souce. Left. Inaccuarte reporting. No surprise this is on their website.

skellious · 2022-05-28T23:42:27+00:00

the author doesn't seem to even entertain the idea that she could be lying.

I think most people who claim to be victims aren't lying. but there will always be some who are lying, or exaggerating. they do exist and they ruin lives. the author seems to struggle with the idea that it's good to recognise that.

VegetableTeacakes · 2022-05-28T22:34:39+00:00

This article is incredible. How can you still stand with her

anonymousmatt · 2022-05-29T03:55:02+00:00

TL:DR: I'm super long-winded, sorry. The author is correct that America will lose no matter what the jury decides. Their concern seemed to be that we should have a bias against those accused of committing DV and SA even where the weight of the evidence is in their favor. The author missed a great opportunity to reduce the negative impacts of this case by informing and educating her readership to seek justice through the courts rather than public opinion.

When I read the article, I was expecting the 'America loses no matter what the jury decides' to be referencing a totally different set of issues.

If JD wins, it will have a chilling effect on real victims coming forward with their story. Nearly everyone believes a true DV victim should be empowered to come forward with their truth - their story - and seek justice for how they've been wronged. However, watching a proclaimed DV victim be completely discounted as the aggressor and pathological liar would certainly make victims think twice about speaking up. If victims' become hesitant to seek justice, America loses.

The flip side of the coin is if the jury decides AH was the victim. In that case, a jury would have confirmed that if a woman accuses a man of DV or SA it is accepted as absolute fact no matter what evidence is provided to the contrary. Because of the publicity in this trial, it would cause the greater public to assume the cupability/guilt of a man with nothing more than the accusation of DV or SA. In other words, the jury may unintentionally destroy what is left of the idea, "innocent until proven guilty," so long as the accusation is grotesque and the accused is a man. (Note: The general public is poorly informed on civil vs statutory law and the difference in burden of proof for each. Technically, because JD brought the suit against AH it is his burden to prove his own innocence in court by a "preponderance of the evidence" (more likely than not he is right). What I'm speaking of is the ideology and values of public opinion.)

Imagine my disappointment to find the article is criticizing the disproportionate support for JD over AH. The article actually implies that we should assume JD is guilty and ignore the obvious indications that AH is likely being untruthful about everything. Victims (implying women claiming DV or SA) may be prevented from making public accusations that could financially or socially, devastate the accused without supporting evidence.

The author fails to share the knowledge that could spare her readership from losing with the rest of America.

1) The cost of making public statements about someone else's actions or character is the potential liability for the damages those statements have caused if you cannot prove the statements were true.

2) If you believe someone has harmed you (by criminal action or not), seek justice through the court system, not society. (Note: If you file suit for damages, make claims that you honestly to believe true, and the court determines there is insuffient evidence, the case will just be dismissed. No harm no foul.)

3) Those who accept accusation as fact without impartial consideration of contradicting evidence can do irreparable harm to an innocent party.

If the author were truly concerned about the damage this case will do to our society, they would have provided information or guidance to minimize that harm rather than attempt to shift the weight if it from one group to another. We should strive to eliminate prejudice and bias if we want everyone to have access to justice.

trashtony69 · 2022-05-29T04:54:32+00:00

Anyway, #dontbelieveallwomen!

rocker12341234 · 2022-05-29T06:45:54+00:00

i love how theyre so far up the democrat parties ass that they couldnt just leave it at false accusations that depp instigated herd being called out for what she is, they just had to drag conservatives into it too for no reason lol.

spike4379 · 2022-05-29T11:15:38+00:00

Its been pretty interesting at r/menslib talking about this.... OH WAIT.

Honestly she is such a disgusting person and finally the world are getting a good view of what female-lead demostic abuse cases look like.

But look at the amount of money Depp had to have to even BEGIN fighting this, how is your normal guy supposed to not get fucked?

RecoveringCoomer · 2022-05-29T16:17:53+00:00

Liz Plank (author of the article) has raped and abused me.

Now go investigate my claim with the same standards of rape/abuse, she wants Amber Heard's claims to be investigated and believed.

Criminal standards can't differ based on sex-gender. If it is abuse when a man does it, it is equally abuse when a woman does it.

combs1945a · 2022-05-29T18:01:44+00:00

They all believe in equal rights until they have to share their kids 50/50, pay child support, pay alimony, or pay for opposing councils legal fees.

tenchineuro · 2022-05-28T21:06:03+00:00

Where is this feminist who believes in equal rights? It's not the author of this article.

Heard’s every gesture has been analyzed and scrutinized. Depp’s odd behavior? Not so much. The actor smiled, grinned and snacked on candy throughout the trial. Depp is either an abuser, or a victim of abuse. But his body language throughout this excruciating ordeal has remained casual, even cheerful. It would be hard to imagine Heard getting away with similar (even seeming) nonchalance.
Ultimately the jury will decide whom they believe is telling the truth. But I’m less interested in whether Heard is a liar and more interested in why so many people are gleefully invested in the idea that she might be. Millions of people seem suddenly interested in domestic violence — but only because there’s a chance a scorned and vengeful woman might be lying about it.
Being wrongly accused of rape is astonishingly rare. In fact, it rarely ever happens. The majority of sexual assault is not reported most of the time. But the ongoing mythology around false accusations prevents a lot of survivors from getting justice. Innocent men rarely get accused of abuse, but the Depp case could give the public more reasons to believe the opposite.

And where are the other feminists who believe in equal rights?

Huffers1010 · 2022-05-29T11:31:16+00:00

I have very little interest in the Heard/Depp trial, but on the subject of fake rape accusations:

The author refers to the very small numbers of rape accusations which are shown to be false, which the BBC article she links describes in terms such as "false rape accusations very rarely lead to convictions or wrongful jail time."

The issue here is that a man doesn't need to be convicted or jailed to have his life utterly destroyed by a well-publicised rape claim.

The overwhelming majority of rape claims are barely investigated and never go to trial simply because the most of them are impossible to prosecute. These will not show up in those statistics. That's true no matter how seriously we take someone's claim that she or (in some jurisdictions) he has been raped, and nobody has to like that reality for it to be true. I don't like the fact that rape is very hard to prosecute. I'm sure most of the people reading this don't. I'm sure we'd all be willing to work hard to support any initiative that had a realistic chance of improving the situation within the framework of reasonable jurisprduence.

But there's a difference between the number of rape claims made which are never shown to be true, and the number of rape claims made which are definitively shown to be false, which is not the same thing.

SnooPuppers4370 · 2022-05-29T01:46:18+00:00

You should buy a dictionary gossip boy.

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the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes

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IIt is So funny to read all the hate towards this woman who stood up for herself in such a horrible situation how angry you all are when all she did was try to stand up for herself and instead of getting support she gets all this Johnny Depp tried to sue multiple people for ruining his career before her she's the third person he has sued maybe 4th actually for ruining his career as he says However he's never actually tried to do Disney who is the one who took him out of the franchise lol. But I love it thank you guys for making me laugh as a male who respects women it's kind of crazy to see what you go off of based on here say and what you think people seem like in their testimony lol you don't know these people I don't know these people there's no way for you or I just say what happened other than to watch it in the videos that Amber filmed of Mr Deb being himself period but I hope you guys feel better it seems like you're just angry at life and I feel bad for you. It will get better if you want it to you just got to try a little bit and focus on your life rather than other people's lives he don't even know. All I know is Johnny Depp was an asshole and I met him so I don't know I mean I only hung out with him a few times but still I wouldn't make assumptions based off of those few times maybe he had a bad day or was still in character or something so I can't really judge either way but I love how you guys call people feminist as if that's a name like an asshole or something a feminist is just someone who once equal rights for women I don't understand why that's so upsetting to you? For the first time ever we just got equal rights for pay for women in soccer Does that make sense to you that it wasn't equal before? Why should women be treated with less respect then men question mark This is coming from a heterosexual male with a fiance so I'm curious what can get someone so upset to this point.

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RandoCaljizzian69 · 2022-05-28T23:14:41+00:00

Lol! Liz Plank is as staunch an ideologue as they come.

WillCuckSmith · 2022-05-29T00:23:49+00:00

OMG what a joke of a story. It's like they don't know what a body language reader is.

hellorobby · 2022-05-29T00:44:01+00:00

There's a science to the intelligence of a collective. If you've ever watched who wants to be a millionaire, you'll notice that whenever the crowd is pooled for the answer the vast majority are correct. So when you're talking about pooling the internet collective opinion on an incredibly well documented, heavily syndicated court case it's probably pretty safe to assume that we either all got the same feeling, or we are all a bunch of sexists.

Will let this lady decide

SnooPuppers4370 · 2022-07-22T03:25:29+00:00

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Title	Another feminist who believes in equal rights..
Author	ultimate_smash
Upvotes	372
Comments	112
Date	May 28, 2022 7:34 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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