How men's rights and MRAs are perceived is 50% of the entire battle. Some people will just never listen because they ideologically hate men. But there is a very large silent majority who do actually support MRA issues but are averse to MRAs and this sub (and subs like it) because of perception. I have whittled it down to 3 perceptions and 3 problems.

tldr-seen as sexist, ideological and cringe.

  1. Men's rights is perceived as misogynistic. 99% of the allegations are false. Not much we can do about people labelling us but it is easy to think of a solution/change which is just don't be and they have nothing to use as proof. Don't post stuff about all women being x or y etc. Then when people see others call us misogynists then actually look at the sub and find it isn't, they figure it out for themselves. There is that TED talk about that feminist would realised MRAs are pro men not anti women that has millions of views (forgot name-she was American). That is why we must remove misogyny. Tbf we do a v good job and are WAY better than feminists for this. Not even close.

  2. It is seen as mirror image of feminism and just another group, just another dogmatic ideology. People see feminism as a hate ideology with members who do not listen to facts or logic and just go along dogmatically with their ideological framework. Good, ok. Then they will also see MRAs and think same thing. Even thetinmen blog on Instagram (trust me he is the GOAT-follow and share his posts now he is legit and has a 30k following with a lot of women following) I read once said even he doesn't identify as MRA. I think it is because he is against being part of a group, of a tribe. I agree because on politics I am broadly centre-left but I think well I agree on right sometimes so I do not call myself a leftist nor have I joined a party. The exception is from men's rights. I am totally for men's rights, it is my only ideology. There is not one part I disagree with and not one part of feminism I agree with. So even though they may agree with men's rights if we put all the issues on paper, they will never join because they have seen so many groups/ideologies, especially on gender, be so bad that they will never join one again including men's rights.

  3. It is seen as cringe. Bill Burr is anti-feminist and pro-men. Again like the tinmen he is my entry point and he gives me hope. He has made a living and become a big comedian with routines that criticise feminism. That's another thing, I despair the cynicism on this sub, so many people agree with us and in the end the silent majority do win. We CAN do it. Anyway, he was discussing criticising feminism and this male feminist middle class liberal type man was obviously agreeing with him and he knew he was right but felt bad doing so (in his mind he was obvs thinking on one hand i know is right but I am liberal and middle class so this goes against all my core beliefs in just agreeing with the popular thing) he said yeah but you're not part of those awful MRAs are you. And Burr said to my sadness no they're cringe. This is a man who agrees with us 100%. Again like thetinmen it is due to ideology thing I think but also even I get it. Eg, the circumcision thing I saw that and thought that is cringe I would never stand in public being anti circumcision and have a pic of a man with blood stained crotch on me. Even though my next thought was but I do agree. I post thetinmen on my Instagram cringe free but for eg a post about lonely men or incels or sex I couldn't do it. It is so cringe and yes a part of me is scared of looking like an incel pathetic lonely man.

On points 1 2 and 3 how do we change each perception? If we do that's half the battle because then we get Men's rights to the mainstream because people will join us free of fear that it is sexist, ideological or cringe.