Should we allow in this sub men who don't reason logically. If so, why?

equalRights111 · 2022-12-26T18:27:37+00:00

I would rather we try and avoid being like other subreddits who ban people for disagreeing or voicing opinions that are controversial or don’t fit in with narrative.

I agree that it can be frustrating when someone is clearly being illogical, but free speech is a really important thing.

63daddy · 2022-12-26T18:42:41+00:00

Who gets to decide what constitutes a logical post?

The last thing I want to see is for this sub to become like the feminist subs where only certain views are tolerated and any other views are censored.

I think when people here (men or women) bring up the typical, irrational “logic” promoting discrimination against men, they are called on it. I think seeing these typical, irrational arguments torn to shreds can actually be useful.

I think the potential challenge for moderators might be what to do if we reach a point where such trolling or purposeful irrational arguments make this sub dysfunctional, but until then, I’m very opposed such censorship.

_SackOfButtholes_ · 2022-12-26T19:27:34+00:00

That's what the up and down votes are for.

Different_Weekend817 · 2022-12-26T19:34:03+00:00

men who don't reason logically need support from other men too and also need to hear different opinions, otherwise their only option is echo chambers which is dangerous. if that happens they'll never develop and learn to be logical because echo chambers only enforce existing ideas.

Final_Philosopher663 · 2022-12-26T18:14:46+00:00

If we wanna be better and actually do something, as much as we all want to "expose" some feminists misandry or for some people feminism as a whole , we need to be critical of our "group" as well. If we are being critical to ourselves and people in our group we become better and we help people who don't reason logically to better themselves and not just spew hate ( reasonable or not ) . And another good thing that will come out of it is that someone who wants to defame us won't have many valid points.

So its a win win to be critical of our group and expose bullshit when we see it , be it inside our group or outside of it. We shouldn't turn to something that will become an echo chamber because when we become like that we won't have any reason or chance to improve.

Edit: And I like being open to different opinions being viewed here even from someone some will consider an "enemy" because of course they can have valid points as well.

Sea_Tour_3696 · 2022-12-26T20:06:47+00:00

Who defines what's logical? What's logical to one may not be to another.

Why ban people that you disagree with? Seems illogical to do that on its own. Self explanatory.

I'm tired of radical dickheads steering the conversation to their line of "logic"

So simple answer no. Let people talk. If you disagree so be it. Reply or downvote. We are all human and thus we all have emotion. Pathetic if you think otherwise.

Why shouldn't we allow people to reason in your definition of non logical?

manicraccoon · 2022-12-26T20:07:37+00:00

No. Emotions are necessary. There are posts by men who are just venting, posts by men who just want someone to acknowledge what they are going through, posts by teens worried about their future, women worried about men in their lives and wanting to understand better, posts when men share their big or small victories in life, and so on. You cannot use logic on everything.

I am not saying to ignore people who post maliciously, or are trying to harm the sub, or are being obtuse on purpose.

Then, I am a woman, so take it as you will.

2022-12-26T18:02:50+00:00

Why should we? Logic trumps feelings

Low_Cranberry_4024 · 2022-12-26T19:08:32+00:00

We allow feminist to comment with no reason or logic to post why not men.

A_British_Villain · 2022-12-27T01:13:58+00:00

Everyone alive believes they are logical.

Logic is subjective.

SadGruffman · 2022-12-27T16:44:32+00:00

Reason/logic like anything else can be biased based on a persons’ morals. To ban people because they have different opinions is a form of representation which I deem unhealthy. You can decide for yourself if you want to be in an environment which encourages that behavior or not.

As long as someone’s opinion doesn’t objectify/harm others, I welcome it as part of the discussion.

mopemardermun · 2022-12-26T20:02:08+00:00

Sure, I like them. You see sometimes I wonder "what if I'm wrong, what if their arguments are sound". Then I see a feminist type something and I'm once again at "nope they really are just fucking stupid". Always welcome.

Affectionate_Item873 · 2022-12-26T22:21:51+00:00

I got banned often enough for my view points (most of them are commonly shared amongst you) so please allow free speech

medscj · 2022-12-27T17:48:24+00:00

I think that we just need to vote. Vote the troll comments out. But we need to be better than just banning people.

nokappa1 · 2022-12-26T19:58:30+00:00

To answer your question directly: it's their birthright.

That said, I sense some frustrations from your end. I think regardless of gender, there will always be things beyond ourselves that we don't have the capacity to understand or reason logically.

Since there's a claim here (whether by you or people who support this idea) shouldn't we also use this ability to reason logically to come up with a more feasible, middle of the road solution to reach out to more men, rather than shutting them off?

g1455ofwater · 2022-12-26T21:33:11+00:00

I have no power in regards to what is allowed on this sub. Having said that imo the focus should be more on if people are genuine or not. Open trolling, concern trolls and unrelated propaganda/promotion posts are the most common problem posts on this sub.

The_Observer_Effects · 2022-12-27T02:34:52+00:00

That does not at all sound like a question really grounded in much reason or logic! Yet - I don't believe you should be blocked.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2022-12-27T04:29:16+00:00

No. This is a sub for men who are right.

Icy-Start5536 · 2022-12-26T18:08:27+00:00

I see many accounts here who are not helpful to the cause. I know there's the risk of becoming feminism 2.0, but what's the use of having beta/cucks/indoctrinated/feminised people? Our life spans are already limited and allowing these categories will yield no returns. Right now the options are:

exploit the system and use game. PUAs, and the like
try to change the system and use the law. MRAs
abandon the game. MGTOWs

I think we should heavily vet people's mettle, remove the scum and go for the goal.

Affectionate_Item873 · 2022-12-26T22:21:42+00:00

I got banned often enough for my view points (most of them are commonly shared amongst you) so please allow free speech

The_Dapper_Balrog · 2022-12-27T04:57:28+00:00

Yes. Because freedom of speech and freedom of discussion are inherent human rights. End of story.

rooiraaf · 2022-12-27T08:43:05+00:00

We're human beings and not always logical to begin with, that's why discussion (and debate) is needed to get to the bottom of things.

AstoriaHat · 2022-12-27T11:53:37+00:00

He said using pasive voice for no clear reason.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2022-12-27T16:45:44+00:00

So they can learn to reason logicaly

Title	Should we allow in this sub men who don't reason logically. If so, why?
Author	Icy-Start5536
Upvotes	0
Comments	70
Date	December 26, 2022 5:55 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/zvslki/should_we_allow_in_this_sub_men_who_dont_reason/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/should-we-allow-in-this-sub-men-who-dont-reason.1145705 https://theredarchive.com/post/1145705

Comments