I have a question about The Wall.

Professional-Win-604 · 2024-02-09T00:48:16+00:00

I thought that The Wall was complete bs when I saw middke aged women like Heidi Klum getting married to guys decades younger than them.

If The Wall was real, according to RPers, women wouldn't receive any sort of romantic or sexual attention after 30. However, there's many celebrity examples like Heidi, Madonna, Demi Moore etc.

StarTrippinn · 2024-02-09T03:30:34+00:00

The concept of the wall is BS because statistically its just not true. More people are getting married later and later in life. I think the average age is 27 or something like they.

I believe that I look better than I did in my 20s. Men of all ages are attracted to me. Younger men have told me that they prefer older women because they tend to know what they want.

Men still hit on me. Men still approach me. I still get matches on apps. You know what is different? Me. I take less shit from men. It doesn't mean that I don't get played by men because people will be people but I am a lot more wise. I am far less likely to be manipulated and I give much fewer chances. I have learned that love isn't a fairytale and that I have to see men as they are, not what I Have convinced myself or hope that they are.

Thats why they prefer women whose brain haven't developed because they believe that they can manipulate them and they they are easier to control. They also believe that she may have fewer sexual partners. That means fewer dicks that they have to feel that they have to , no pun intended, stand up against.

Its not because younger women are more fertile or more attractive or wherever BS they lie about, its about control.

xvszero · 2024-02-09T01:37:19+00:00

I never believed in the wall because it was obviously nonsense. Growing up I had divorced aunts who were in their 40s and 50s and still finding plenty of men to date.

oldcousingreg · 2024-02-09T03:52:57+00:00

You know it’s bullshit because the only people talking about it are the people that believe in it. That’s some cult-gibberish nonsense.

Stargazer1919 · 2024-02-09T05:11:58+00:00

It's bullshit because it's dehumanizing. It reduces people to their reproductive ability.

lordDandas · 2024-02-09T08:01:10+00:00

The wall of all redpill things is a bullcrap. Even grandma's get more matches on dating apps than average men.

Like obviously, after a certain age your desirability will drop... But like the only noticable effect it will have for you is that you're less likely to get sexually harrassed and you will no longer be the center of attention. Heck even I would be fine hooking up with a 40 year old.

Dahks · 2024-02-09T08:11:19+00:00

Me, without reading the sub this was in: why would anyone want to debunk Pink Floyd's masterpiece?

CommentsEdited · 2024-02-09T00:49:53+00:00

I just wrote about this a couple days ago:

Remember how fixated red pill ideology is on the "sexual marketplace," and the assumption that everything you already want (money, style, muscles) for yourself must be what makes you more attractive. Therefore, there is no need to become a better partner or a better human, or ever feel uncomfortably exposed or challenged, except to be "more of a man." Then you'll get to pick whatever kind of woman you want from the horde that throws themselves at you.

That all falls apart if women are leveraging their own power in the "marketplace," and not buying what you're selling. Even worse if other men think that's great, and aren't intimidated by female sexuality, or women wanting something besides the kind of dude you think you would obviously want to fuck, so they must too, or they're "ruined by feminism," which is also male oppression, of course.

"The Wall" and the idea that women who sleep around are "obviously less desireable" are extremely attractive narratives to bolster all of the above. The more prevalent those ideas, the more men will assume there's something wrong with them for being all about dating a 35-year-old, brilliant sexpot with her own money and opinions, and the more women will assume there's some kind of "ticking clock" in play, and that they're crazy for not being obsessed with landing an "alpha" they've stayed "pure" in anticipation of.

It all starts with this resentment toward women for being the "gatekeepers of sex", who can always find a penis if they want one. Red pillers see that as the height of unfairness — ironic, since it's a gatekeeping job they still want women to be in charge of, despite women never wanting that role in the first place. What red pillers really want is a "sex handicap," like in golf, to balance things out. But that wouldn't be very "alpha," so the mental gymnastics take over from there. Now it's a feminist conspiracy, instead of the market just doing market things.

However, my advice on this...

I have tried to read The rational Male, but it's unbearable because of all his nonsense.

... is read it.

And the red pill forums, and the "field reports," and especially the "omg guys I believe in the wall now" posts. If your attitude is "This is all obviously bullshit and I can't read it," then your debunking article will only be convincing to people who are already convinced.

Red pill isn't about what's true. It's about what gives me hope of controlling the power over my self-worth other people have.

Even people who claim to be "ex red pill" will still tell you straight up and down that it "contains a lot of truth about how the world really works." It really, really doesn't. Understanding why a person can entertain such extreme cognitive dissonance starts with compassion and empathy, not "Well these people obviously just haven't really thought logically."

mammajess · 2024-02-09T09:23:32+00:00

Just look at real life statistics. Women get dates and partner up at all ages. I got married at 39 incidentally to someone 7 years younger. My mum also had dudes chasing after her at that age, even a teacher at my school used to ask me "how is your mother?" (🤮). My grandmother had an active dating life until she was 60 or older and just lost interest in men eventually.

tinyhermione · 2024-02-09T15:08:03+00:00

Two things can be true at once.

1) Both men and women get older. When you get older you’ll look a bit older. And also most people date people their own age. As you get older, fewer of the people your age will be single. These things can make dating harder both for men and women in their forties and fifties. There are just less single people to choose from and you also just have to get onboard with the fact that your options have aged physically. Still people can fall in love at any age.

2) The idea that women specifically hit a wall at 30? It’s just too soon for the thing I’m talking about above. Most 30 year old women still look young and pretty. It’s not like men suddenly stop falling in love with or wanting to have sex with cute women because they are 30 and not 29. You don’t go to bed looking young and gorgeous, and wake up an old lady on your thirtieth birthday.

And most men don’t want to date women a lot younger than them. Why? It can feel predatory if they are way young. But it’s also just about connection and maturity. You want to date someone you have fun talking to and click with. That’s more common when you are about the same age and have similar life situations.

Tl;Dr: Both men and women get old, but it doesn’t happen at 30.

featherblackjack · 2024-02-09T12:15:32+00:00

I was beautiful at 30-35 like. The most beautiful I'll ever be. I really had to grow into myself. Shrug!

bobandersmith14 · 2024-02-09T01:07:58+00:00

God I'm so dumb I thought you meant the pink floyd album

Anyways whats the wall to redpillers?

Dry-Nobody6798 · 2024-02-12T11:19:49+00:00

What makes this even funnier are all the pOsT wAlL millenial/xennial women (and men for that matter) trending on TikTok because so many STILL look younger than their years.

People aren't aging the same or as quickly as previous generations.

With marriage and birth rates on the steady decline, and men 18-30 being sexless, not dating, and lonely at the tune of 66% (recent reports on this staggering statistic prove this), the last thing RPillers need to be obessessing about is this outdated wall theory.

It's a decade and a half outrun, and current societal statistics are proving it so. At the same tune of male loneliness, more recent reports are showing that more single childless women are far happier in our modern society due to socio-economic mobility for women in today's culture.

That's not to say women don't/won't/aren't complaining about the dating prospects and relationships as they get older. It's to also say they on the same token aren't as impacted by "The Wall" than RP podcast bros try to grift.

legend503 · 2024-02-09T17:14:01+00:00

GENERALLY. People often don't get that

The wall exists and most women face it around 25 nowadays. While some 1 percent celebrity does has nothing to do with us at all.

Toonz-kun · 2024-02-09T15:38:03+00:00

I briefly fell for the "The Wall" narrative, due to back then listening to a Youtuber (now passed away) who had a lot of women calling in, and devalue their chances of getting a man since they were in their 30's.. It got me curious and had me venture various content related to RP. I agreed with some, and with some I didn't.

But I began to question TRP as a whole when I started to realize that I wasn't feeling quite myself, since authenticity matters to me. Also, I noticed the extreme bitterness and despair among the men following TRP and I wasn't having it.

The whole Wall thing started to sound ridiculous to me, since I do carry an attraction for older women to an extend. And I started asking myself: "So, why shouldn't single women of 30 and up experience real love according to these guys!?". For some there, it's ultimately because they believe that it gives them the power over the younger women that they would need to go after.

Nobody should dictate who you should start a relationship with. And just because a woman is older, doesn't make her any less of a valuable individual that you can have a genuine heart-to-heart connection with. Why should you let yourself get robbed from a potentially healthy and loving relationship due to TRP?

To me, it's just another proof that the red pill talking heads on the internet have no idea what love really means!

TelevisionGloomy5458 · 2024-02-10T05:09:58+00:00

Everyone gets old

Sensitive_Panda_6245 · 2024-02-14T21:03:29+00:00

I’m about to be 31. People have seen pictures of me when I was in my early 20’s & said you actually look better now than back then. Some people even have a hard time believing I’m my age.

If women have The Wall, then men have the Block, cause that’s exactly how many times they’ve been around it. We age like milk huh? Meanwhile Rollo the Tomato aged like an old shoe doused in milk that’s been sitting outside.

ConnectQuestion5805 · 2024-02-16T17:59:57+00:00

There is absolutely no such thing as the wall in terms of sexuality. Women have sexual options their whole life. Of course in terms of beauty/youth, both of those things peak and don't last forever. What you'll find is that your options lessen with time, but they never fully fade. Obviously a 21 year old hottie will have so much more attention thrown at her than a 41 year old, but a 41 year old (who takes care of herself) will get sex with ease if she wanted it.

In terms of reproduction, there is obviously a wall in the sense of menopause, but this happens between mid 45 to 55. The obsession that the RP have with age 30 specifically is odd. I think it has more to do with time - if you're single at 30, you'll have less time to secure a decent man and have children due to your biological clock, especially if you wanted a large family? Obviously a 21 year old (with beauty on her side) has more time than a 30 year old. But that's all it is though, it has no other basis in my opinion and makes no sense because women don't suddenly become infertile at 30, that's absolutely absurd nonsense.

RP men will confidently give all these opinions on the wall, then proceed to rabidly consume milf porn. Make it make sense, lol.

Dumbbjuice89 · 2024-02-19T22:02:32+00:00

The wall is just a manipulation tactic used by these types to try and convince very young women that they need to mate with them now. It's not real, but if they can convince the inexperienced 21 year old girl that it is real then they might stand a chance with them.

Title	I have a question about The Wall.
Author	Brilliant_Program_39
Upvotes	14
Comments	46
Date	February 8, 2024 11:52 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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