I made a post not long ago detailing pretty conclusively with a large amount of high quality evidence that women prefer men whom are on average 4 years older than them, which is in opposition to the red pill claim that men (who 'peak at 35') are most desired from women who are 18-25.

Most of the push back I got was along these 3 lines of argument. 1. ''I am/ or I know some one who totally slays with young woman and is 30+'' 2. ''If you Self improveee into your 30s by status etc you can totally do it'' 3. ''While 4 years is ideal, there is a minority whoever small but still significant in size that has success in dating much younger women''

While I could sit here and make arguments against each of these points, I kinda want to focus on a different point. Do these arguments not sound extremely blue pill?

Imagine If I made a post detailing women's preference for 6ft+ men. If heaps of arguments like '' ''I am/ or I know some one who totally slays with women and is 5'3'' 2. ''If you Self improveee you can totally slay as a short guy'' 3. ''While 6ft is ideal, there is a minority whoever small but still significant in size that has success in dating women whom are even taller'': were made they would be immediately branded as blue pill, idealised made up stories or false platitudes from women, despite in sentiment are identical to the arguments above made by red pill men.

I want to make it clear, I'm not arguing short men or old men can't self improve or have success or anything like that. My point is, at the core of these ideologies is the same clinging to our assumptions about how the dating world is.