Gender pay gap - how is it calculated without taking the number of hours worked? Why is there no media debunking news articles?

soontobesolo · 2024-11-22T14:38:17+00:00

We all know the pay gap is nonsense. It's starting to become common/mainstream knowledge, thankfully.

Cybralisk · 2024-11-22T15:05:48+00:00

Women make less money than men on average because they choose jobs that are easier and pay less, they also work fewer hours. There is no gender pay gap purely on the basis of being a woman. I thought we all knew this already. Women don't want to be oil rig workers or engineers or surgeons...etc. If they did they would even be ushered in over male candidates on the basis of gender because there are so little women in these fields.

The funny thing is these days a lot of women are now out earning the average man but I don't see people complaining about that.

efreedman503 · 2024-11-22T15:41:15+00:00

If there were actually a pay gap no company would hire men

Pretend-Assumption-9 · 2024-11-22T14:16:28+00:00

For example this article: https://canadianwomen.org/the-facts/the-gender-pay-gap/

It says : "There is a 17.1% difference between annual median earnings of women and men relative to the annual median earnings of men. For self-employed people, this gender wage gap is 28%. In its ranking of countries for full-time employees, Canada has the seventh worst gender pay gap."

Here is how it is calculated : https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/gender-wage-gap.html

At the end of the article they are asking for a "donation to help advance gender justice"

If it is not calculated using the number of hours worked and whether it is full time or part time how can they claim that there is a gap?

If everyone on the same job role are getting paid the same amount of money then where is the gap?

Edit : They have also mentioned that it is illegal to pay people differently based on gender and that Pay equity is often defined as “equal pay for work of equal value,” and Canada has had laws about it since the 1970s. However, this is mentioned in the FAQ'S after the donate for the cause button.

Francis_Dollar_Hide · 2024-11-22T14:53:06+00:00

This women is the epitome of incompetence, vaulted into a position of power because of immutable characteristics. Annualizing part time wages is a preposterous mechanism design solely to massage the figures. Part time work sacrifices renumeration in deference to flexibility and free time. In no profession in the world do part time workers get paid the same as full time workers, thats why the distinction is made in the job description.

She knows this of course, and she knows that women are more likely to work part time hours, so they willfully and maliciously massage the figures to paint their spurious political narrative.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-11-22T15:34:04+00:00

Women work less hours / take time off to have babies / aren't so driven towards promotion / aim for a better work-life balance, especially if they have a husband in full-time employment.

Didn't some woman get the Nobel Prize in Economics, this time last year for saying all this? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67045408

Talk about 'Tales of the Blindingly Obvious'.....

Make-TFT-Fun-Again · 2024-11-22T15:59:46+00:00

Time to start protesting against the “gender work hours gap”

Cactus2711 · 2024-11-22T17:15:12+00:00

“So based purely on hourly rate, is there a gender pay gap?”

frustrated sigh “We don’t collect the relevant data that’s required. Stop mansplaining, sexist pig”

PQKN051502 · 2024-11-22T15:16:47+00:00

Debunking the gender pay gap:

The "gender pay gap" myth doesn’t take into account occupation, position, education or hours worked per week.

The most dangerous, health-hazardous jobs are all male-dominated. Men work in higher-risk, but higher-paid occupations like iron and steelworkers (99.0% male), roofers (97.1% male), construction trades (90.0%) and logging workers (96.0%); Women far outnumber men in relatively low-risk industries, sometimes with lower pay to partially compensate for the safer, more comfortable indoor office environments in occupations like office and administrative support (72.2% female), education, training, and library occupations (73.7% female), and healthcare practitioners (74.3% female).

Men are 10 times more likely to die due to their jobs compared to women,

Men are 1.75 times more likely than women to work 41+ hour weeks, are 2.3 times more likely than women to work 60+ hour weeks, and also work estimately 85 more hours than women in a year.

According to this study, men are much more unsatisfied with their jobs than women

Male life expectancy is 5.3 years lower than female, yet men tend to retire later than women. (Several countries still have a lower retirement age for women)

Even boys are more likely to be put in child labor than girls, and according to this study, the work they do is very dangerous and harmful.

If 2 person, one male, one female, at the same age, same job, same position, are paid the same wage per hours, then whoever working more hours will be paid more...which is totally fair. How can you work 85 hours less than someone in a year then demand to be paid the same amount of money they get paid?

Meanwhile,

Women control or influence 85% of consumer spending (Source, Forbes 2019)
Women control more than 60% of all personal wealth in the U.S. (Source: Federal Reserve, MassMutual Financial Group, BusinessWeek, Gallup)
Approximately 40% of U.S. working women now out-earn their husbands. (Source: U.S Bureau of Labor Statistics)
In the US, breadwinners in 40% households are female. Yet only 3% of alimony payers are female.

flipsidetroll · 2024-11-22T15:35:02+00:00

This was data collected from purposely skewed demographics. But unless people went in and checked, no one knew. And it became part of cultural language. It’s much more known now that it’s false. But like any movement knows, you have to actively seek out information that opposes your beliefs to make sure you are not biased or being misled.

Many many studies are misleading with conclusions. Often the researchers are paid by someone else to gather information. Much like lobbyists rule the medical world, to make money, not for people to get the best care. I know a lot of men here are redpilled. And every single graph, study, diagram in rollo’s book uses skewed demographics to push his agenda. If you want examples I’ll happily give you some. We all cherry pick information for our biases. But best way to keep balanced, is to spend as much time finding information that opposes your beliefs, and then understanding all sides.

goathead22 · 2024-11-22T16:08:35+00:00

No such thing. In my 30 years experience in EPCM across 4 different companies, female engineers typically took more days off. Note that I am only considering those not pregnant and without children. Their male counterparts of the same age group and experience level worked full time and only took sick days as needed.

It was a pretty common trend for female engineers to take 4 day work weeks, or even 3 days. When you have team members that do this, they contribute less to the project and the full timers end up picking up the slack.

The "full time" 3 days a week engineers become low value while the real full timers become high value. The gender pay gap would be more accurately described as an effort /value pay gap, which is basically remuneration based on the employees role and function.

Arcadian1815 · 2024-11-22T16:58:32+00:00

I’m surprised no one accused him of mansplaining

griii2 · 2024-11-22T15:11:13+00:00

This makes me so fucking angry! How is the whole mainstream allowed to lie like this??

Downtown-Campaign536 · 2024-11-22T20:55:29+00:00

If the "Gender Pay Gap" were real then it would be almost impossible for a man to find a job unless he has a niche skill, nepotism, or demand for labor is abnormally high, or if the job is hazardous.

If a boss can hire 10 women for the price of hiring 7 men and the 10 women are doing as much work / productivity as the men then men would almost never get hired.

All businesses like to run at a profit. Being able to pay workers only 70% would be far too enticing to resist for an employer.

They have been cooking the books about gender pay gaps for years.

When you adjust for over time, hours worked, and hazard pay the gender pay gap becomes a "negligible rounding error." It's 1% either way.

AllGearedUp · 2024-11-22T17:00:28+00:00

There are some more obscure articles debunking it. But if I had to guess its that same thing that we've seen from the last 5-10 years where if you have a criticism of anything related to the "oppressed" they will assume you are entirely against the people involved.

Don't believe in a pay gap? You hate women.

Think we need the police? You hate black people.

want any border control at all? You hate immigrants.

thedisliked23 · 2024-11-22T17:17:59+00:00

Recent forbes article very clearly says that there is a pay gap for "uncontrolled" data. This is primarily skewed by rural areas and the South where women tend to work service jobs. 74 cents to a dollar. The article then goes on to say the "controlled" data (same job, same education, same hours) shows pay is even nationwide and in most major metro areas controlled data shows women making 103 cents to the dollar.

None of this matters. Almost every woman I know believes there is a significant gap in controlled data. I don't blame them. Literally all the media portrays the 70 something cents to a dollar statement like it's gospel and likens not believing it to being a climate change denier. BLS data emphasizes non-controlled data in their information.

The reality is for a variety of reasons media caters to what women want to hear and VERY few women want their worldview that everything is bad for them challenged in any way. Ask them sometime what is enough. Like what point could we get to as a society where they'd be happy with how things are going for women specifically. IME they usually have no answer or the answer is something impossible or it's just flat out "women should run the world" stuff.

Perfect_Sir4820 · 2024-11-22T18:18:06+00:00

Soooooo frustrating. Everyone in the room (including the women) know that they are utterly full of shit and their calculation methodology is incapable of actually proving the conclusions that have made.

MJ50inMD · 2024-11-22T21:22:32+00:00

Didn’t they recently give a Nobel Prize to someone for debunking it?

namdoogsleefti · 2024-11-22T22:31:03+00:00

No one has answered your question.

It's all about feelings. Most women don't care about facts or any issues beyond surface level.
Weak men don't care about the truth and don't do anything to debunk the narrative which is anti-male.
Guys like me that do know and care can have this argument with their wives many times (I have) and she doesn't get it or understand it. TLDR: most women either aren't smart enough or don't care enough.

Captainsignificance · 2024-11-22T20:25:25+00:00

The media is where these false narratives and lies are generated to influence and create misguided leftist policies.

63daddy · 2024-11-22T16:34:46+00:00

In the U.S. the BLS makes all sorts of wage comparisons including what men make on average compared to women. The BLS makes it very clear it’s a mean wage comparison, not a comparison of equal work but of course feminists misrepresent this for agenda reasons. It’s similar in other western countries.

Several studies have shown the gap is due primarily if not entirely due to different work choices men and women make, including the hours worked, overtime pay, length of time in a field, career choice, etc.

TheDwiin · 2024-11-22T18:18:53+00:00

The biggest issue about the gender wage gap is that the people who want to see it magically fixed don't want to actually explore the reasons behind it and fix them because they tend to discover that traditional gender roles affecteing both men and women are one of the larger causes, and in order to actually fix it, they have to help men overcome these difficulties too.

According to the US DOL, the hourly median wage of unmarried men is lower than married men of the same age and experience in field, same can be said about men without and with children, where men with children make more than men without children. And the inverse is true for women, unmarried childless women make more than married women or women with children.

This just shows that when a man's family grows he is expected by our society to become more of a financial provider, while women are expected to take a step back from their careers to be the domestic provider for their families.

Excellent_You5494 · 2024-11-22T18:34:06+00:00

Why is the pay gap question coming up again?

https://youtu.be/QcDrE5YvqTs?si=GN8ugSt8w6a72bNb

https://youtu.be/58arQIr882w?si=YtHi0cfLYkdxtzeH

https://youtu.be/9xgOS43xC4Q?si=Z5JUTt1QHGPdPZDH

dwitchagi · 2024-11-23T01:28:10+00:00

On one hand I liked his response, but I also wish that he addressed what ever the fuck she implied by saying that "just because you sit at your desk for 12 hours..." and so on. What the fuck are you implying lady?

Front-Hovercraft-721 · 2024-11-23T03:14:06+00:00

No surprises here, just more bullshit from the angry hate group again. Listening to the self made victims is getting really old now.

BusEffective9572 · 2024-11-25T01:00:59+00:00

I’m yet to see any company/organisation being outed for paying women less.

Longjumping_Ebb_3635 · 2025-05-21T10:23:23+00:00

"Why is there no media debunking it"
Because the media created it.
The media represent the party which created this rhetoric, the party created it to rile up constituents in order to vote for them. That's how politics works, you convince a group they are discriminated against and that you want to help them, that's how you get votes, you don't even have to do anything once you get in either, lol.

Scrace89 · 2024-11-22T19:29:43+00:00

The quickest debunk of the gender pay gap: If companies can pay a woman less than a man, that is equal in all aspects, then companies would never hire men. Perhaps the inability to critically think is the reason you're not paid as much as you think you should be, and not your gender.

Pretend-Assumption-9 · 2024-11-22T14:22:59+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmJfU8b3RYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eoV6pgNoHE

Mister_Funktastic · 2024-11-22T19:19:57+00:00

It's a stupid idea. A lot of their bull comes from the fact that men often are hired for positions of leadership above men?

Why?

It's not sexism, it's pure literal logic.

Men in general have position more suited for leadership. In neurochemistry it's called Disagreeableness. Those in power are less likely to be yes men and less likely to take bullshit. On top of this, why promote a woman to a position of power when it's likely that they will get themselves pregnant and then your company will be stuck trying to find a replacement to fill her spot at short notice. Either their replacement will be

A) better than her, but you will find my any employment law tribunals in various companies will force you to have the inferior employee back after maternity leave.

B) not as good at the job as her and so she will have dumped you with someone who is costing your company money.

C) as good as her, in which she still cost your company money because you had to pay for recruitment and onboarding for another member of staff.

Why take the risk?

Title	Gender pay gap - how is it calculated without taking the number of hours worked? Why is there no media debunking news articles?
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Date	November 22, 2024 2:03 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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