Feminists get black game developer fired because he posted with a hash #NotYourShield

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I tend to notice that the more radical elements of the feminist movement tend to be typically Caucasian, from a middle class to upper class back ground, educated from mostly liberal colleges having studied subjects such as Art History, Women's Studies, English, Fashion Etc..... Employed, but not doing what they dreamed of doing generally underemployed. Single, or involved with a man who is not "typically masculine" or has a submissive personality, if not with a man likely to be bisexual or lesbian. Independent, but dependent on her family for financial support, maybe still lives at home yet still claims independence. Screams the evils of "patriarchy" yet grew up in a home where her father slaved away to death in his career, while mom worked either part time or not at all while raising the family.

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While it's a damned shame that the guy got booted from his place of employment due to SJCultist meddling, it's important to understand the nature of his "offenses":

https://imgur.com/a/VTro3

He's said some pretty questionable things, the likes of which I'm sure plenty here would find reproachable, given its very heated nature. In no way does it justify those people going to his work and getting him fired, but it's best to look at their claims so that we have a full understanding of this issue.

edit: In light of a conversation further down this thread, I figured it appropriate to more clearly illustrate my position on this matter. So to sum it up:

I defend his right to say whatever he wants, but can't defend everything he says. Especially not when it involves the reputation of other people who may not agree with him.

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So because he doesn't like trannies or gays he's somehow bad? I'm honestly tired of all this politically correct bullshit myself. I'm not going out and preventing gays' from doing whatever anyone else can do, but at the same time I'm not going to freak out if someone says they're not 100% all about the gays. It's not like he was actively screwing people out of their ability to work or have a regular lifestyle.

It's like saying, if some white guy doesn't want to date black women, does that make him racist? How exactly are those black women going to suffer if he doesn't go out with them? I honestly think just by looking at those tweets that he's tired of people who never contributed to gaming culture coming in and demanding the people who created it change everything so it suits them better, not to mention all that politically correct bullshit SJW always bring along.

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We're both in agreement on most of the key points. And indeed, you bring up a bunch of really good points. Disagreement is no reason to Doxx people. Hell, there's no good reason to doxx someone unless, as you mentioned earlier, he's directly inhibiting other people's ability to work or function on a day-to-day basis.

The only question I really have is whether or not it took the SJW mentioning it to his employer to get him fired, or whether the actions he took himself would have come to light later on anyways. What he said, from a PR perspective, is very much questionable if he's also representing his company in some fashion while writing on Twitter. And even then, some companies even assert that you're not supposed to post questionable things on private social media.

I think that alone will be the death of discourse in the civilized world, but that's a heavy topic for another time.

I condemn the persons responsible for bringing it up to his employer. But at the same time, I wouldn't be able to reasonably defend what he said on any grounds other than those pertaining to Free Speech. What he said was pretty emotionally charged and brusque, and I have my worries that it might have only been a matter of time for him, before someone not affiliated with the Gamergate hooplah to notice and take offense. And that is what has me hesitant towards going full-stop in his corner.

I suppose to really distill my own personal observations down to a sentence: I defend his right to say what he said, but do not defend the things he said.

(Though if it really came down to it, I suppose defending him would be better than not having anyone to defend on this issue.)

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The only question I really have is whether or not it took the SJW mentioning it to his employer to get him fired, or whether the actions he took himself would have come to light later on anyways. What he said, from a PR perspective, is very much questionable if he's also representing his company in some fashion while writing on Twitter. And even then, some companies even assert that you're not supposed to post questionable things on private social media.

Except it doesn't work either way. Try not having a facebook account or be part of social media, and everyone looks at you like you're weird. Try to be part of social media and be honest, and now you have to tiptoe, even if it's under a nickname.

I condemn the persons responsible for bringing it up to his employer. But at the same time, I wouldn't be able to reasonably defend what he said on any grounds other than those pertaining to Free Speech. What he said was pretty emotionally charged and brusque, and I have my worries that it might have only been a matter of time for him, before someone not affiliated with the Gamergate hooplah to notice and take offense. And that is what has me hesitant towards going full-stop in his corner.

Which brings up the whole topic of NSA spying on everyone. I'm sure every person in their day to day lives does, says, or looks at shit that would get them fired or ruin their lives if it got out in one way or another (and you only have to fuck up once, whenever that may be). Look at yourself, do you think you'd be fine with everyone you know at your workplace knowing everything you do in your private time? The only difference here is that this guy was doxxed and some of that private time followed him back to his job. I know for a fact that simply posting in the /r/mensrights subreddit would get the vast majority of people here fired simply because some SJW would call it in (with glee). Does that make it any more or less right?

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Does that make it any more or less right?

In no way does it do that. As I said before, I gravely condemn the ones who did, and to answer your current question: I would be mortified if such tactics were used against me as well.

I cannot deny that the employer also had to make a tough decision themselves though. If they chose to keep him in the company despite what he said in his personal life, then the high-and-mighty moralists would surely descend on them in droves. If they fire him, they lose what was likely a valuable member of their team over what essentially amounts to petty drama between individuals (his own personal issues with the Doxxers that is, not Gamergate)

I can't say I agree with them in their decision, but at the same time I can't say I fault them either. It was either the possibility of losing their company, or the possibility of losing a key asset in that company. Either way they were losing.

It's just a sad and fucked up situation that we have to be silent about our personal beliefs these days, for fear of upsetting what some people want to believe is the "Status Quo".

My worry is that they've proven quite capable of enforcing it, let alone when they've found supposedly "damning" evidence from the person they've targeted, to the point where simply anyone could've pointed it out to his employer and gotten him fired.

So as an individual in this sort of cultural climate, and as part of a group that sadly does not have the manpower to influence people's beliefs en masse (nor do I feel we should ever have that power in the same ways that SJWs do) all I can do is point out what he did that lead to his termination at that company, and advocate strongly for everyone else to do their best to be very careful with whom they share their personal beliefs, when doing so is done in a way or in a place that can be traced back to your personal life.

With that said: I feel what happened to him was wrong (when you look at it purely objectively), and I feel we should back this guy unequivocally when it comes to his right to speak his mind, and that we should express as such to him. Whether or not people express that they sympathize with him in regards to the specific things he said is up to them to decide for themselves.

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The issue I have with this is that insisting on the offensiveness of a term without any kind of explanation nowadays typically leads to a hysterical shutdown of the discussion by the accuser, who leaves with a false sense of "winning the argument". It's not convincing or progressive.

Also, it's hypocritical to demand certain terms like "woman" are loosened up to include transwomen, while simultaneously demanding that other terms like "tranny" must be treated as having a fixed meaning. You can't deconstruct some terms and not others.

I'm not saying the debate here has been shut down by hysterics, but I am saying it is counter-productive to baselessly nit-pick others language to derail discussion. It does commonly happen in other identity politics debates, and I think it shouldn't be encouraged.

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If he were my employee and was stupid enough to post crap like that I'd fire him too and be thankful to anyone that brought it to my attention. My husband's company has a very strict code of conduct for its employees both in and outside of work. Say anything that might negatively impact the company's image and he'll have you quietly let go a few months down the line and have your name blacklisted.

So because he doesn't like trannies or gays he's somehow bad?

Good or bad it's relative. As a gay guy, he's certainly bad to me. If you don't care because his opinions does not have the potential to negatively impact your life that's well and good but don't pretend that others wouldn't be affected.

Social paradigms are a bloody battle of ideas which go on to shape our conduct, laws and beliefs. You better be sure that people will attempt to undermine those beliefs that prejudice and promote those that benefit them.

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He was doxxed, didn't post it under his real name or his companies name. The company didn't lose any money for what he said, but now it may lose money for firing him (I'm certainly very curious to find out who they are).

Good or bad it's relative. As a gay guy, he's certainly bad to me. If you don't care because his opinions does not have the potential to negatively impact your life that's well and good but don't pretend that others wouldn't be affected.

So if say I don't like to date gay guys, would that make me homophobic? I'd really like to know where people draw the line of what you can and can't have an opinion on and how you can and can't share it. Does not dating women make you a misogynist? Really, where do people draw the line? Saying something negative about some group or saying "I don't like them but don't care what they do" isn't going to really do anything but hurt that groups feelings.

Social paradigms are a bloody battle of ideas which go on to shape our conduct, laws and beliefs. You better be sure that people will attempt to undermine those beliefs that prejudice and promote those that benefit them.

All this shows me is that SJW who promote People of Color and women have decided to destroy this guys life because they didn't like what he had to say on twitter. On fucking twitter. And mind you, he did it not under his real name, nor discussed his place of work. This is the equivalent of a 21st century lynch mob, and best of all, how does anyone know this isn't a gay guy who is tired of being the token gay guy these days? Maybe he just wanted gays to be part of society, not some special snowflakes whose sexual preference was brought up as part of their identity every time their name was mentioned.

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So if say I don't like to date gay guys, would that make me homophobic? I'd really like to know where people draw the line of what you can and can't have an opinion on and how you can and can't share it. Does not dating women make you a misogynist?

That's a ridiculous analogy. You have utterly missed the point. Publicising negativity towards homosexuals and homosexuality promotes this mindset and it in turn shapes our current paradigm a little bit against homosexuals. It is in my best interests that the least people possible express such opinions and that the views of people that do not dislike homosexuals continue to win.

Whether it is moral or not to attempt to silence such people is another debate, but the fact remains that there are positive and negative repercussions here—winners and losers.

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That's a ridiculous analogy. You have utterly missed the point. Publicising negativity towards homosexuals and homosexuality promotes this mindset and it in turn shapes our current paradigm a little bit against homosexuals. It is in my best interests that the least people possible express such opinions and that the views of people that do not dislike homosexuals continue to win.

So SJW saying fuck white people is okay, but some guy saying fuck gays (with no context of which we know of) is wrong? Because we literally have no context other than him saying fuck everything SJW believe in, gays being part of it. That does not necessarily mean people hate homosexuals, only that this whole culture of unless you accept homosexual culture with great delight bordering an obsession, you're not one of us, is getting fucking annoying. You're lumping a whole lot of people together here. There's people who are fine with it, but are tired of being politically correct. There are people who are tired of hearing about it and having it shoved down their throats. There are people who are against it for religious reasons. There are people who are against it simply because they're scared of shit they don't know or understand, etc. You have no context and no understanding on where this person stands, yet you assume the worst. The guy is a fucking black software developer. He's probably as liberal as they get.

Whether it is moral or not to attempt to silence such people is another debate, but the fact remains that there are positive and negative repercussions here—winners and losers.

Just remember that the winners are not necessarily the ones who are right, just the ones who are willing to win. Being gay or fucking men used to be okay once a few thousand years ago, then the catholic church came along.

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But when you said that him saying those things is the equivalent to someone claiming not to be attracted to a particular sex, you're being dishonest or oblivious. Depending on which views persevere over the others, people suffer.

I'm not, but a lot of people see that as being hateful. In fact SJW themselves claimed that being a gay man is the ultimate form of misogyny because they have fully rejected women.

Normal people on the other hand are getting sick and tired of all this politically correct bullshit. Being gay shouldn't ever have to be brought up short of you wanting to go on a date with someone. There's literally no difference between gay people or straight, so for me, I can't understand the fact of why people can't get over it. And this applies to both the religious nuts who are against people being gay and the liberals who turn "gay" into some giant fucking bat signal just to show how accepting they are of others.

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Except this is not true, there are many, many differences; both social and inherent. If that I'd the foundation of your argument then it is flawed. Gay people have issues, advantages, perspectives and drives that manifest differently.

That' isn't my argument. My argument is to treat everyone the same, unless for some reason or another they have a difference. Hanging out with Greg shouldn't matter to anyone if he was straight or gay, until Greg decides to try to hook up with some dude.

You're pulling farther and farther away from the original point of this thread, which is about some douche getting fired for being a douche on Twitter. And your insistence that people being against him is the equivalent of someone getting hated on for not being attracted to black women.

It's kind of hard to stay on topic when everyone focuses on a single point and tries to determine if it's sexism, homophobia or some other BS.

As for people being against him, they're literally against him for not supporting them. I literally don't know how else to put that. What does him saying something someone else doesn't agree with have to do with them stalking him, going through his history, finding his place of work and calling that place of work to get him hired have to do with what he said? Seriously? Would you like the entire world to go anti feminist, anti SJW and anti politically correct tomorrow, and go all WW3 on these people? Would you like to eat your breakfast and hope nobody finds out you're a SJW because nobody will ever hire you if they find out? This is the climate these SJW are creating.

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So because he doesn't like trannies or gays he's somehow bad?

As usual, MRAs totally lacking self-awareness

"So because a feminist doesn't like men she is somehow bad?"

Then what's wrong with some feminists not liking men? Because of Anita Sarkeesian tweeted "fuck men", the butthurt on this subreddit would be catastrophic (or more catastrophic than usual, anyway). If you think disliking an entire demographic due to their innate characteristics is totally fine, your "activist" movement doesn't have a leg to stand on--because you're tacitly admitting disliking men is a-okay

It's totally okay to hate THESE minority groups, but once you dislike MEN then its an outrage. I mean, a lot of submissions on this subreddit are posts whining about some feminist saying something mean or misandric about men.

This is why MRAs are so ridiculous. At least the average bigot is morally consistent in his shittiness. And at least the SJW is consistently whiney. The MRA is full out human rights activist/SJW when its directly pertinent to his own interests, but is totally uninterested in human rights when its another group. The worst of both worlds.

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That sounds like a very reasonable explanation. You're right in that my position is pretty ambiguous if I don't put quotations around the word offense, which is what I planned on doing, but felt it might make my post a bit too polemic on the surface. To put it briefly, I just didn't know that I was obligated to be partial to either side in this issue is all.

I think he said some things that, if he said it in the office would definitely get him fired, but I abhor the people who think bringing it up to his employer when it's on a supposedly private Twitter feed is a sound tactic when they disagree with him.

It's a really fuzzy subject when you take into account the actions he performed that lead up to it. I can't side with the SJWs, but I can't feel like I can defend him on any grounds other than Free Speech either. If I were his employer, I don't know if I could dismiss what he said without thinking about how it might reflect on my company if I didn't pass judgement.

Though as I wrote in response to another person: If it came down to it, defending him on this occasion would still be better than not being able to defend anybody at all.

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If you have less than 15 employees, you aren't subject to federal discrimination laws. It doesn't matter anyway, because this would fail before it got anywhere near that. I've run a few businesses and have crafted the identities for countless startups. The story of a company is very important for a startup...and an MGTOW story isn't going to appeal to anyone but MRA-types (which isn't an especially lucrative market).

Before anything else, you would need a completely different story. Big companies wouldn't touch something like this with a 10' pole given the potential blowback, regular people don't usually want to help people like that, and the only press it would likely get is dismissive mockery. Yes, if the genders were reversed, it would be completely different.

Given the current climate, assuming you didn't want to make up a completely bullshit story (which, BTW, is painfully common amongst the more successful startups), you might be better off going the populist-rebellion angle. People are very angry about the whole Gamergate/SJW thing. You could use that to your advantage. A story about a company started by a bunch of regular gamers tired of the corruption and moralizing from the gaming industry works for a few reasons.

First, there's the whole David and Goliath angle. People are suckers for underdogs they feel are righteous. That's very useful. Second, there's a lot of rage...which can be funneled into action. You can't overtly say it, but you can imply that buying your product helps in their fight. Second, it allows you to organically play on the whole "freedom"/"independent" angle. People (especially American audiences) eat that shit up.

With that being said, it would be a tightrope walk. You'd have to be just "edgy" enough to seem angry and be accepted, without actually saying the truly offensive things that allow you to be dismissed. Otherwise, you would completely burn a bunch of bridges before you even approached them and would immediately be attacked. You don't want to be a Michael Moore. You need to be more like a gaming Obama. Use vague statements, only name BIG names, and don't address the truly controversial things too directly.

Also, you would need to get in touch with the movers within Gamergate. They are the tastemakers and, without their support, you are similarly doomed to failure. You'll need to approach them in just the right way, otherwise you're fucked. And that "way" will vary from person to person.

Good luck, because you're definitely going to need it.

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Title	Feminists get black game developer fired because he posted with a hash #NotYourShield
Author	Imdefender
Upvotes	130
Comments	100
Date	September 21, 2014 8:19 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/2h28yu/feminists-get-black-game-developer-fired-because-/
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