New Zealand leftists plan to change rape law to reverse the burden of proof from the accuser to the accused. If accused of rape, one will have to prove innocence or be automatically found guilty.

Tingly_Fingers · 2014-07-09T11:01:56+00:00

This is actually fucking insane. You'd have to be mentally fucking retarded to agree with this. I mean just look it at the viewpoint of other crimes. Proving you didnt kill someone, proving you didnt assault someone, proving you didnt steal something. Its absurd.

Goomich · 2014-07-09T12:23:07+00:00

Accuse them of rape.

Problem solved.

IamAwaken · 2014-07-09T12:41:52+00:00

Ladies and gentlemen I present the official start of the New Zealand witch hunts. Never forget!

Fzed600 · 2014-07-09T14:19:16+00:00

This is a feminist's dream come true. The ability to completely destroy a man's life with nothing more than a few words.

They don't want protection from rape. They want control over men.

veggie_girl · 2014-07-09T10:00:52+00:00

Now's the time to invest in brothels in New Zealand.

g4zda · 2014-07-09T10:16:51+00:00

So, unless you're some sort of deviant psycho that does it without witnesses or recording equipment you're safe.

Billy-Loomis · 2014-07-09T09:44:19+00:00

Why do leftists always want to deal with legitimate issues in the most asinine ways?

It's remarkable how they fuck up the simplest of tasks.

barleymoo · 2014-07-09T10:52:54+00:00

Mr Little said the inquisitorial system still preserved those principles because the Crown would still have to prove a number of aspects of a case before consent was explored.

From the 1578 Handbook for Inquisitors:

"... for punishment does not take place primarily and per se for the correction and good of the person punished, but for the public good in order that others may become terrified and weaned away from the evils they would commit."

Beta males, beware! And I guess a few alphas might slip through the net.

SteelChicken · 2014-07-09T12:21:24+00:00

"But when you look at the volume of sexual violence cases and the 1 per cent of cases that result in a conviction, there is something wrong with the way we are handling sexual violation cases. The circumstances may well justify doing something radically different."

Did it ever occur to your shit-filled brain that maybe many accusations are false? Of course not.

raceAround126 · 2014-07-09T14:58:41+00:00

They'll keep going until rape is meaningless and the real crime is utterly desensitized and meaningless.

HahahaloLolol · 2014-07-09T12:17:09+00:00

Just claim that a cat raped you. The leftists' brain will explode when realizing they will have to incarcerate an animal. --- just pointing out how animals have more rights and sympathy than men.

esco_ · 2014-07-09T14:51:48+00:00

If this law passes, and there are any female MRAs living in New Zealand. The best thing they can do is accuse every single male citizen in New Zealand of rape. All of them.

raceAround126 · 2014-07-09T14:58:09+00:00

They'll keep going until rape is meaningless and the real crime is utterly desensitized and meaningless.

pcadrian · 2014-07-09T12:28:45+00:00

Fucking dumb. So any of these emotionally damaged womenazis can yell rape, provide zero evidence, and completely fuck up a man's life. I'm curious:

What does the law say about recording a sexual encounter? Video, audio, or both. This seems to be like the only sure evidence.
Does the accuser have to prove that the act of sex happened? What if they didn't even see each other that night, and she still claims she was raped?

ioncloud9 · 2014-07-09T12:08:08+00:00

What this also means is the accuser wont be cross examined by the defense. The counsel will confer with the Judge before hand and HE will ask her the questions to avoid 'humiliation.' So not only is it her word against his always, but she wont even be grilled to see if she is lying and if there are holes in her story.

theredpillager · 2014-07-09T12:38:10+00:00

And so it began. Most men simply fled to neighboring Australia. Those that stayed drew up consent contracts, printed by the dozen, that were typically placed on a table inside their front door, or on the nightstand beside their bed. Sales of video cameras, home surveillance systems, audio recorders and wall mounting hardware skyrocketed. Women, disgusted by the lack of romance in modern dating, refused to participate in the system they created. Indoctrinated at long last, "rape culture" was now all too real.

2014-07-10T01:10:23+00:00

Screw that country. Any man that is stupid enough to vote for that law deserves his rape conviction. What absolute shit for brains, the lot of them.

myschadenfreude · 2014-07-09T12:27:52+00:00

So...I can accuse someone of rape and they have to refute my claim? Wait, I'm a man so I might not get the "right" to incrimination.

t21spectre · 2014-07-09T10:31:02+00:00

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Gstreetshit · 2014-07-09T13:10:15+00:00

Men, get the fuck out of New Zealand

anonlymouse · 2014-07-09T15:15:25+00:00

Who said "Show me a young person who votes right and I'll show you someone without a heart, show me an old person who votes left and I'll show you someone without a brain"?

The older I get, the more I realise how true that is.

Squabbles123 · 2014-07-09T14:51:00+00:00

Remind me to never fuck anyone in New Zealand.

-robknows- · 2014-07-09T18:55:05+00:00

what the shit. Is this a joke?

Clauderoughly · 2014-07-10T04:58:22+00:00

This is the same bullshit that is being pulled by American feminists in California.

Basically they are trying to make all heterosexual sex, rape by default.

anotherbluemarlin · 2014-07-09T13:56:54+00:00

I don't really see how this could be in line with any modern state constitution....

2014-07-09T10:53:09+00:00

Well, this would make overcoming lmr much harder.

2014-07-09T16:21:06+00:00

That's already the case in the states. As far as I know, rape shield laws prevent the accused from facing the accuser, and evidence can even be thrown out of court. There's no such thing as innocent before proven guilty for men, it's the other way around in our case.

ike172 · 2014-07-09T18:02:53+00:00

I don't think there is any way such an absurd law could get passed, but even the proposition of such a law is just stupefying. The concept of being innocent until proven guilty is a necessary condition for a free democratic society, I don't understand how a politician could seriously propose overturning that premise, even if for just one offense (actually, especially for just one offense). The amazing thing is that after this bill gets shot down, I'm sure many of its supporters/proposers will still be re-elected next term.

2014-07-09T19:12:41+00:00

I can see this law having hilarious results. "He raped me", "Oh yea? well she raped me!"

Half the citizenry will have ongoing rape cases filed against them, whole law firms will specialize in rape alibi generation.

edit: Men could simply say a woman sodomized him with a dildo of some sort...PROVE THAT SHE DIDNT!!

redpilldude · 2014-07-09T19:15:06+00:00

How do you "prove" consent? Do you ask her to sign a consent form or something? This is just so illogical and ridiculous...

the_red_scimitar · 2014-07-09T20:18:40+00:00

About 5 years ago, I was seriously considering moving to NZ, and even began emigration processing. Then, things changed in the government and they started getting all about controlling people, which they really hadn't been. I've been uninterested for a few years. This just continues the trend.

Fzed600 · 2014-07-09T22:19:08+00:00

Basically, it will be safer to rape a random stranger than to have consensual sex and then she changes her mind if this passes.

Cheeky_miscer · 2014-07-10T13:50:52+00:00

Absolutely disgusting. Thank god labour won't be getting elected. They're basically throwing themselves even further off the cliff with this retarded bullshit.

jolly--roger · 2014-07-09T10:36:41+00:00

and I wanted to move there from Europe... guess I'll stay here for now..

2014-07-09T13:10:14+00:00

Holy shit, fuck New Zealand.

babybelly · 2014-07-09T18:37:55+00:00

i heard iphones track your movements and stuff. i think thats very proofy but ofc it can be stolen

esco_ · 2014-07-10T04:26:59+00:00

I live in NZ, and am legitimately concerned for my future

Adolf_ghandi · 2014-07-10T06:47:22+00:00

So how is one supposed to gather proof while he has sex? Video tape everything? Sounds about right to me.

"Wait a sec honey I just need to get my cam going!"

2014-07-10T07:20:19+00:00

The problem is, proving your innocence generally requires putting your life on hold, hiring an expensive lawyer, and then still leaving it to chance. For men who lack the resources to prove their innocence, maybe because they are just poor, maybe because they just got unlucky and didn't have an alibi despite being innocent, etc, they are just screwed. Not to mention that even if they prove their innocence, they still probably face losing their jobs, friends, getting slandered in public media with no recourse, and no way to sue for damages that the false accusation caused.

Stupid people who have no idea what being accused of a major crime does to a person see legislation like this and think "well, what's the problem, if he's innocent he'll walk, no biggie!"

No, you're looking at a financial and emotional cost that most people cannot actually deal with in this shitty economy. And I bet my ass that under this law, there are not going to be any decent, free or cheap attorneys provided to the accused or any modicum of privacy / protection during the period before guilt is determined. Because, of course, he is guilty from the get go.

This is just a law that is using a false hysteria to just make things shittier for men... with no other real goal other than to establish power and control over men. Just like, as another poster said, how women got behind the prohibition movement just because they were butthurt about men going out in town and spending their time drinking / hanging out with other guys. Check out this article if you think I'm making shit up: http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?a=347

In other words, the very first and largest scale activism that women involved themselves with after being given the right to vote was... trying to ban alcohol because fuck it, we can. To this day women still tend towards the same type of authoritarian leftism that is both comically ridiculous and highly dangerous. Nothing has changed.

human_bean_ · 2014-07-10T13:02:43+00:00

Anyone have a guide on good microphones to record my bedroom? And one rotating loop for my phone that doesn't drain the battery too much?

writeonbrother · 2014-07-10T13:59:10+00:00

Putin would fix all this horse shit in two weeks.

MockingDead · 2014-07-10T15:00:47+00:00

Could I use that against women? Are genders specified? I suspect the second a man accuses a woman of rape the law will be struck down.

SirNemesis · 2014-07-10T15:49:13+00:00

Thank god they aren't going to get elected: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_New_Zealand_general_election,_2014#mediaviewer/File:NZ_opinion_polls_2011-2014-majorparties.png

myschadenfreude · 2014-07-09T12:50:07+00:00

Time to invest in a flesh light for "sex" and always wear a personal video camera to prove wearabouts and provide alibi.

AngraMainyuu · 2014-07-09T13:53:56+00:00

Ths is a little dark, but part of me hopes this all blows up in their faces.

2014-07-09T18:14:07+00:00

Preemptively get doctor to diagnose you with chronic inability to attain an erection for the performance of a sexual act.

Zekohl · 2014-07-09T12:23:37+00:00

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Burner1701 · 2014-07-09T16:42:12+00:00

They are only achieving convictions in 1% of sexual assault cases so they are knocking ideas around on how to actually convict rapists. Honestly I'd be ok with even collecting paperwork from my sexual partners if it meant helping put rapists in prison. The vast majority of sexual assault cases are probably actually rapes and it's good they are at least tossing ideas around on how to make it easier to convict rapists.

Burner1701 · 2014-07-09T16:48:21+00:00

The comments in this thread are exactly why the world views TRP as a bunch of rapists, you get that right?

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