NBC News on "Yes means Yes" movement: “I think people have less-than-proud moments, sex they wish they wouldn’t have had. That’s the kind of sex we’re trying to prevent, too.”

SomebodyCool · 2014-10-16T12:26:41+00:00

“I think people have less-than-proud moments, sex they wish they wouldn’t have had. That’s the kind of sex we’re trying to prevent, too.”

Yes, I'm sure that if a guy wandered in a campus sexual assault office and reported that he had been raped because he regretted the sex later on, he would totally not be laughed out of the building. Totally.

Also, I'm sure it's totally going to help with the already precarious credibility of sexual assault accusations if it becomes accepted practice to extend the definition to morning-after regret. This will absolutely not cause men to become even more suspicious than they are of rape claims.

Let's tell it like it is: the law is meant to give women, and only women, unambiguous legal power to retroactively withdraw consent. They already somewhat had it, but now it's set down in law.

Ausfall · 2014-10-16T11:51:15+00:00

A skit on Chappelle’s Show once centred on Dave Chappelle about to spend the night with a lady friend. Before things get out of hand, he turns over and produces a stack of papers instead of a condom: the Love Contract. He insists this woman must agree to the terms and conditions of their up-and-coming encounter and sign her name here, here and here.

I never thought I’d live to see the day where comedy and parody would become reality.

NietzscheanStoic · 2014-10-16T13:03:38+00:00

This shit is truly malicious. Putting a beta in prison for getting laid? The man deserves to be congratulated for pulling his shit together, not imprisoned because some bitch feels sorry about it.

iluminatiNYC · 2014-10-16T12:23:20+00:00

A few thoughts.

One, this whole rape epidemic is white people bullshit. More accurately, well-off White people bullshit. Somehow, HBCU don't have this rape culture issue, and Black students at PWIs (that's primarily White institutions, aka the rest of the higher education establishment) don't have this issue with rape and sexual assault. Throw in the fact that working-class Whites and STEM majors tend not to get caught up in the BS of drinking culture, and you have a problem dominated by well-off liberal arts majors. Most of the media comes from well-off liberal arts majors. Coincidence? I think not.

Two, we know good and well that rapists are both relatively rare and tend to have a lot of victims. Check out this story for a good example of how this works in the real world.. While there are a lot of rapes, there aren't a lot of rapists. When you actually bother to test rape kits, this pattern is clear, and prior research is born out. Yet governments throughout the US have to go out and beg private donors to test these kits and to figure out ways to question traumatized rape victims that both doesn't scare them off and allows cops to get enough evidence to get a conviction.

So, we have a well-defined issue with rape in America. We have a pretty good handle on what the problem actually looks like. The problem is that there's little interest in funding stuff that works, and most of it is being done by feminists who have to beg, borrow and steal to actually protect women. There's also a bit of nasty history about using sex crime laws to get rid of people they don't particularly care for. As Amanda Marcotte said, this law only counts when there are actual rape complaints. Wanna guess who are going to be the subject of these complaints? I don't know, but we can safely guess that elite men will be able to duck this. Heck, I personally think we have better-than-even odds that this law might actually increase rapes. Once predators know they aren't in the target demo for this law, they'll be able to act with impunity.

All of this to say that this law is BS, and it has some real potential for holding down men who aren't "alpha" enough in a woman's eyes. That 90/10 movement is REAL.

redpillschool · 2014-10-16T13:18:29+00:00

Rugby players, theater kids, frat brothers, and hipsters—of all races, sexual orientations, and genders—were calmly discussing what sex acts they’d like to try: a threesome, a bathroom quickie, sex on the kitchen counter.

Finally negotiating sex like civilized egalitarians in our equal society. I'm guessing the women there were totally gung-ho with performing the acts afterwards... no?

This is just another pit stop in the feminist crusade against male sexual freedom and choice. Further expanding the definition of rape and opening choices for women while limiting options and freedom for men.

There's nothing new here. This is feminism unchecked. This is exactly what we predicted.

WarmApfelPi · 2014-10-16T11:45:54+00:00

Then it'll turn into yes means yes if i dont change my mind. I know i said yes last night or 5 years ago but i didnt mean it. I was raped!

kick6 · 2014-10-16T14:54:51+00:00

Translation: "we're trying to insulate women from all possible consequences of of their actions. Ever."

THIS is what the feminism movement is all about. When some useful idiot tries to tell you that it's about equality...be sure to laugh in their face.

NietzscheanStoic · 2014-10-16T12:29:58+00:00

I always think that the girls who buy into this way of thinking really wouldn't be worth the fuck anyway. Imagine how awful and mundane the sex would be

GayLubeOil · 2014-10-16T18:24:18+00:00

Here is the real problem. This law is practically a recepie for radicalizing the white middle/upper class who are the work horses of society. So now instead of driving the economy, you have smart capable men excluded from it for no good reason. What will these men do with their time, energy and intellect?:lash out against the same people that ruined their lives.

iluminatiNYC · 2014-10-16T13:01:10+00:00

Damn, they'll get mad at the right for being too religious then force you to be abstinent and punish you severly if you don't act the way they want.

CriticalThink · 2014-10-16T13:44:40+00:00

This is just another push to bring females into a dominant role in our society and not the equality that most feminists tend to claim they want. In the "yes means yes" movement, men will be placed in a submissive position by asking for the authority to have sex from a woman. Pair this with the tendency of men to be more indefatigable in pursuing sexual activity and a harsh punishment for not being explicitly told "Yes, I want to have sex with you", and we will see men in a pseudo-slave state just to satiate their desires.

Mark my words: if this movement gains any real traction in our nation, we are going to see a lot more men in prison for noncrimes than we already do. I guess perhaps the powers-that-be are going to want to fill the gap in their prisons with something since the War on Drugs is winding down to a close. If "yes means yes" becomes commonplace in our society, I would guess that perhaps the authorities figured it's time to wage a war on men.

2014-10-16T14:41:33+00:00

less-than-proud moments, sex they wish they wouldn’t have had.”

Everybody has had 'less-than-proud' moments about everything they have done. It's called experience.

mctoasterson · 2014-10-16T15:20:10+00:00

Some campuses are taking it to extremes on this policy idea - and from a purely legal standpoint one can see why. It is to their advantage to pacify the loudest complaints, to stay out of the news, and to practice extreme "CYA".

The implications are fucking ridiculous however.

I was taking one online graduate/professional development course this semester and was required to complete a one hour training on the new policy guidelines for preventing sexual violence, otherwise my course credit/enrollment would be null and void. Keep in mind I am an online only student who will never set foot on campus.

Anyway, one of the parts of the required course gave examples of "sexual violence". It gave an example of "John asks Sue out a few times. She tells him she isn't interested. Later he brings flowers and chocolates to her dorm room and asks her again. This is sexual violence because she had already said she wasn't interested in dating John."

It's not enough to just say, "there will be harsh legal and academic penalties for rape." Colleges are literally being pressured to discourage what used to be considered normal contact, because that's just safer from a legal and bureaucratic standpoint.

2014-10-16T14:53:30+00:00

That's the kind of thing that really, really discourages me from even approaching women. I read some RP stuff here now and then, and while I like and am trying to adopt the whole self-improvement part, I want to get further and further away from ever getting into a relationship and focus on my hobbies and interests instead.

username1153 · 2014-10-16T15:33:02+00:00

Is this a war on beta males, alpha males, or men in general?

It is often said that women mostly feel spite for guys that revealed themselves to be actual betas. But what about feeling spite for alpha males who only pump and dumped them?

Women are not very good planners and projectors, so it is possible that sex with an Alpha male only ends up in them feeling worthless if the guy doesn't end up providing some sort of commitment.

If that is the case then I don't think the top 10% is completely safe either. Maybe the guys that will be safe are the ones Alpha enough to get sex, but no too Alpha to want to just pump and dump.

TheRedAlt · 2014-10-16T20:04:29+00:00

This shit is getting out of hand.

Areimanes · 2014-10-16T13:30:16+00:00

“Our feeling is, no, you should not want to have sex with someone who you just spent half an hour badgering about it…what could be more clear-cut than having sex with people who actually want to have sex with you?”

They must really think low of people (read: women) if you can just badger them into sex. Trust me, I tried in my beta days. That's not possible.

Because the first six weeks of school are when freshmen women are most likely to be raped or experience attempted rape—a period called the “red zone”—it’s important to have these conversations as soon as possible.

What in the actual fuck? Leaving aside the fact that they're once again talking about rape as being just a female issue, they don't even define rape properly.

Hell, it's gotten to the point for me now when I hear a woman was raped, that I immediately think she's faking it.

Thanks feminism.

leamdav · 2014-10-16T14:59:36+00:00

Because women would never regret sex with an alpha, is what you are implying.

wurding · 2014-10-16T15:54:05+00:00

Aronowitz...ripping on catholics....le clapping hands cowboy

DontEatTheDaisies · 2014-10-16T15:55:42+00:00

So... what's to stop males on campus from accusing females? RP some of them up and cause a little chaos.

Facednectar · 2014-10-16T20:37:44+00:00

What the fucking hell is this. I'm a senior in college and have had my fair share of "questionable" drunken hook ups, where I hooked up with a girl who I probably wouldn't of if I wasn't super drunk. I never think the next day, "I was fucking raped!!!!". Classic hamstering of not wanting to take responsibility for your actions. God this makes me sick to my stomach

2014-10-16T22:18:55+00:00

the law isn’t about legislating individual bedroom behavior, but rather challenging traditional sexual dynamics

But that's exactly what it does. That what passing legislation means. If you want to challenge something, talk about it.

The problem with all this is women are usually reluctant to express desire for sex out of fear of appearing slutty. The law seems to be aiming to deliberately exploit this cultural reality to turn innocent men into "rapists". Why? God only knows.

Whats so onerous about teaching women to say no and putting the onus on them to do so? It would prevent a lot more regretful sex than the all sex is rape approach, but it would feminazis all frothy at the mouth which is apparently more important to avoid.

sam_sing · 2014-10-17T01:19:54+00:00

This reminds me of this chapelle clip "love contract"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydk8nxSgnB4&feature=player_detailpage#t=23

Still relevant 11 years later...

Lok_Die · 2014-10-17T04:55:30+00:00

There is no bright side to this.

Alphas will be outed, as they are the only ones worth sex, thus decreasing our value as there is less mystery. They will catalouge us. Know our names, our stories, all of our past encounters and problems.

Then times where we are weak or under performing, they will "regret" what happened, claim rape, and we're fucked. Especially since it will be easier to sift out the men with game.

This is not favorable to anyone in the least.

LeeryLucifer · 2014-10-17T11:13:12+00:00

Yeah. Again I would say: Don't spend time working your ass off getting into the pants of stuck-up bitches. Just buy a hooker. Cheaper, faster, no drama.

Surf_Or_Die · 2014-10-16T14:50:21+00:00

Last weekend I banged a girl. When we were done fucking I slapped her on the ass and said "get me some water woman". She responded "I really shouldn't, but I like it when you call me that".

Now I've known for a while that this red pill shit works wonders but I've never had it spelled out to me like that.

Do you think she would have banged me if I had asked her to sign some legal papers first? Not gonna happen unless your name is Brad Pitt, you look like Brad Pitt, you're as famous as Brad Pitt and you have as much money as Brad Pitt. So it's not gonna happen, unless you ARE Brad Pitt.

rainbowhotpocket · 2014-10-16T18:30:05+00:00

I guess on the bright side, the 20/80 rule will become more like the 10/90 rule.

Ehh I doubt that 1/2 of the 20% are gonna abide by this..

Ulquiorra_Schiffer · 2014-10-16T19:31:09+00:00

How about you dont police peoples action for them, eh? I mean, fuck, this is helicopter parenting at a mid level with just this example. Wkth other laws, they become the most extreme example I can think of.

2014-10-16T20:48:08+00:00

I guess I kind of sidestepped all of this bullshit as a young buck in part because I always preferred getting a BJ over sex. Because of this: 1. I nearly always asked a chick or made the suggestion before the act 2. She either answered in the affirmative or initated the act 3. Pregnancy was never a risk 4. Lower STD risk than vaginal intercourse 5. Strong power dynamics at play from non-reciprocal oral sex. 6. Because she was the active participant and I was the passive one it would have been harder for her to later hamster that I had "raped" her in the event that she experienced regret.

I highly recommend BJs over sex in this increasingly draconian atmosphere.

2014-10-16T20:50:37+00:00

So if I buy a surfboard even though I don't surf because I thought it looked cool, then I regretted buying it when my landlord is kicking me out because I couldn't pay the rent because I spent all my money on buying a surfboard, I should sue the sales associate at the watersports shop to pay all my bills?

oldredder · 2014-10-17T05:02:16+00:00

Pretty fucked up. If self-responsibility can't prevent "regret sex" then nothing can.

This law will only cause men to seek sex with women who aren't going to fuck them over somewhere else.

bama79rolltide · 2014-10-17T07:20:19+00:00

Young men, on the other hand, are too misguided and inexperienced and bluepill.

Close. I think now it becomes a legal issue. I see a lot of indecisiveness now. The ball is not in the man's court now. Especially with these ads during NFL games, essentially cockblocking.

I advise any man in college to let those college sluts get so thirsty for cock that they feel like they are in the desert. DO NOT GIVE THEM DRINK.

HalfwySandwch · 2014-10-17T13:55:25+00:00

The yes means yes law will only hurt women. We can get tail elsewhere from willing and able women.

juanqunt · 2014-10-17T17:12:23+00:00

Feels good too know that I've never had sex with any fat chicks. I've simply been raped.

razometer · 2014-10-16T17:33:58+00:00

It's almost as if they want to legally stop Betas from procreating. What they're really saying is that women are too dumb to know what they're doing, so society should dictate who's allowed to fuck and who isn't. Except that all women are allowed, and only the top men have a shot at them. Smart from their POV, but of course they'll deny it categorically. Kids these days....

Theropost · 2014-10-16T20:37:34+00:00

I don't date feminists. On the first date I ensure I test their feminist agenda's with some RedPill facts and see how they respond. It works well, you weed out the worst ones and keep the good ones.

My current girlfriend is great; 3 times a night sometimes, and she is still ready for more.

BetterToBeFeared · 2014-10-16T21:57:37+00:00

A side note - how come whenever I read these "articles" and blog posts and I scroll to the bottom to see who the author was it's always some gross busted chick?